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Did Kurt Kill Himself?Or Was it Murder?
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In_Chains
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6. June 2006 @ 05:59 |
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Well in my personal opinion, I believe without a doubt that Kurt Cobain did not commit suicide and that it was murder. Now I know a lot of you will say, listen to his lyrics and how he didnt like the spotlight, blah blah blah blah. But here are some interesting arguments
1) He had threee times the lethal dose of heroin found in his system and which would instantaniously after injecting cause him to be immediatly incapacitated (the ability to pick up a pen let alone a shotgun)and then within a minute go into a coma.
2) Courtney Love produced a letter from Kurt to her discussing about divorce that she didnt show the media till later on after his death
3) The supposed suicide note didnt contain any mention of suicide in it and also half of it was not in his handwriting
4) No fingerprints on the gun, so I'd assume that he would have had to shot himself in the head and then wiped the gun, lol
5) A man who came forth and said that he had been offered $50,000 by Courtney Love and who slipped a name who might have been involved with Kurt's death was found dead a week later
6) Courtney Love is the Devil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:P:P:P:P
P.S There's a lot more facts but I dont have time to write them all but will give references to books, links if anyone is more interested
Hey, Wait, I've Got a New Complaint,Forever In Debt To Your Priceless Advice :P
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gerry1
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6. June 2006 @ 10:29 |
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There is a member of this site claiming to be his son. True or not, I couldn't tell you, but certainly could be.
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6. June 2006 @ 10:41 |
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it was murder, i never for a second thouhgt that he'd kill himself on purpose... overdose? possibly.
R.I.P. Kurt
by the way, who is it that claims to be his son?
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6. June 2006 @ 14:46 |
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I would guess that most folks don't dwell on it.
Life is good!
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6. June 2006 @ 16:47 |
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me, being a huge fan of nirvanas music, i do think that he could have possibly been mudered. when you look at his suicide note,
look at the Ys...they are different among the second half of the note,. ive done a lot of research...found a lot of tidbits
His credit cards etc. were missing from his wallet and were used after his death.
Yeah who claims to be his son??
HTTP://WWW.JUSTICEFORKURT.COM
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In_Chains
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6. June 2006 @ 17:31 |
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Yah I would like to know who is claiming to be his son also, and if he can prove it!
Hey, Wait, I've Got a New Complaint,Forever In Debt To Your Priceless Advice :P
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7. June 2006 @ 01:54 |
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It wasn't murder. He shot himself..
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gerry1
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7. June 2006 @ 11:45 |
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@tybro9 and pepsi ... it was a while ago, I don't really remember but I'll check to see if I can find out. What was wierd about it was that the guy had simply been posting regularly like everyone else. Someone said something about Kurt Cobain which ticked him off and he came out with Kurt being his dad, and something wasn't true .... a while ago, I just can't remember but will post the link if I can find it.
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7. June 2006 @ 12:40 |
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Yeah... And Jim Morrison was my second cousin's nephew's third uncle's brother...
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7. June 2006 @ 15:17 |
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I watched a show on him and they proved that it was without a doubt IMPOSSIBLE for him to shoot himself with that gun especially with that amount of heroin in his system.
It was Courtney.
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In_Chains
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7. June 2006 @ 20:05 |
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Well, anyone, who actaully researches into it knows that it wasnt suicide. There is far more evidence pointing to murder than suicide
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8. June 2006 @ 00:21 |
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who really cares he was an overrated rock star that should be NOONES hero !!!!
people that are strung out on herion/drugs shouldnt be glorified as heros
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8. June 2006 @ 05:54 |
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people that are strung out on herion/drugs shouldnt be glorified as heros
I know you listen to music made by others besides Ted Nugent....LOL
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8. June 2006 @ 06:00 |
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my guess is that the pressure from being a rock star forced him into taking those drugs.
and he wasnt overrated, he made good music and people loved him for that. people who dont like a certain singer/band are the people who say that they are overrated. im not saying you dont like his music, im not saying you do either.
And really what does it matter if he was murderd, suicidal, whatever, the point is that he is dead now. dead phisically. by listening to his music and passing on his legacy he'll always be alive in our hearts.
...wow i think that was the most sappy thing i have ever written... weird...
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8. June 2006 @ 06:08 |
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Kurt Cobain left a drug rehab center in Marina Del Rey California on April 1, 1994 and was later reported missing. As you probably know, he was found dead just seven days later.
My name is Tom Grant. I'm a California state licensed private investigator and former detective with the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. On April 3, 1994, I was hired by Courtney Love, (who was in Los Angeles at the time), to locate her husband after he left a drug rehab center in Marina Del Rey, California. Ms. Love stayed in Los Angeles while I flew to Seattle to search for Cobain with his best friend Dylan Carlson. In fact, Carlson and I had been in the Cobain residence the night before Kurt's body was discovered in the room above the garage.
The police immediately concluded "suicide." I wasn't so sure. Neither was Rosemary Carroll, Courtney Love's own entertainment attorney. Ms. Carroll was also a close friend to both Courtney and Kurt.
Something was wrong here... terribly wrong.
After several months of intensive investigation, including dozens of taped interviews with Cobain's closest friends and family members, I reached the conclusion that Courtney Love and Michael Dewitt, (the male nanny who lived at the Cobain residence), were involved in a conspiracy that resulted in the murder of Kurt Cobain.
It appears this was not the first attempt on Cobain's life by Courtney Love. It was, however, the first to succeed.
In December of 1994, I began speaking publicly about the suspicious circumstances surrounding Cobain's death. Attempts to inform the public about this case have been met with physical threats as well as threats of legal action against anyone in the media who "gives Tom Grant a platform."
Motivated by profit, rather than truth, Courtney Love and her attorneys have taken drastic measures in an effort to keep the public from learning the true facts of this case. In spite of all their hot air, this investigation has received coverage in hundreds of major magazines, television and radio talk shows around the world.
As I predicted when I first began speaking out, no legal action has been taken against myself or anyone in the media who have covered this story.
The pathetic cowards of this world can only blow smoke. Once they've been exposed, they run and hide
The events surrounding the death of Kurt Cobain are filled with lies, contradictions in logic, and countless inconsistencies.
Here's just some of...
WHAT YOU WERE NEVER TOLD:
COURTNEY LOVE WAS FACING A DIVORCE
Kurt was in the process of leaving Seattle and his wife Courtney, when he was found dead.
Courtney knew Kurt wanted out of the marriage. Just weeks prior to his death, she asked one of her attorneys to get the "meanest, most vicious divorce lawyer" she could find.
SOMEONE WAS USING KURT'S CREDIT CARD
One of Kurt's credit cards was missing when his body was discovered.
Someone was attempting to use the missing credit card after Cobain died, but the attempts stopped when his body was discovered.
COBAIN WAS IN FEAR OF HIS LIFE
The shotgun found at the scene was purchased BEFORE Cobain left for rehab in Los Angeles, NOT AFTER he fled the rehab as reported by misinformed media sources.
The shotgun was fully loaded with three shells. It was purchased and loaded for protection, not suicide.
The police claim there were no legible fingerprints on this shotgun!
The truth is, the shotgun wasn't even checked for fingerprints until May 6th, nearly one month after Cobain's body was found.
THERE WAS NO "SUICIDE" NOTE!!
The note found at the scene by the police was immediately labeled as a "suicide note." The police report states it was "apparently written by Cobain to his wife and daughter, explaining why he had killed himself."
But this note was not addressed to Kurt's wife and daughter and it says nothing about "killing himself!" This note was clearly written to Cobain's fans telling them he was quitting the music business. There was only a short footnote to Courtney and Frances and the handwriting contained in those lines has been questioned by several handwriting experts.
COURTNEY HAD ANOTHER NOTE SHE KEPT IN SECRET!
Courtney was in possession of a second note after Kurt's body was found! SHE DIDN'T TELL ANYONE about this second note until several months later when information about it slipped out during an interview with Rolling Stone Magazine.
The second note, the one that Courtney kept in secret, clearly defines the first note which was found at the scene of Cobain's death. The "second note" from Kurt plainly states he was leaving Courtney and he was leaving Seattle. He was NOT leaving the planet!
COBAIN WAS INJECTED WITH 3 TIMES A LETHAL DOSE OF HEROIN!!
Cobain's heroin, (morphine), blood level was 1.52 mgs per liter. This would require a minimum injection of 225 mgs of heroin, three times a lethal dose, even for a hardcore heroin addict! The drug Diazepam, was also found in Cobain's blood system.
THE OBVIOUS QUESTIONS:
1. If Cobain injected himself with a deliberate heroin overdose, why would he ALSO shoot himself in the head with a shotgun, leaving his baby daughter - the love of his life - with horrific visual images to remember him by? Why not just "go to sleep" on the overdose and never wake up?
2. IF Cobain injected three times a lethal dose of heroin, COULD he then pick up a shotgun and shoot himself? Wouldn't he have been immediately incapacitated?
Based on the heroin, (morphine), blood levels found in Cobain's body, preliminary research indicates Kurt Cobain would have been immediately incapacitated. He could not have picked up that shotgun. He could not have pulled that trigger!
IN ADDITION...
Cobain was not barricaded inside the room as reported by misinformed media sources.
The stool which was supposedly wedged" against the door was actually just sitting in front of the two unlocked doors that only led out to a balcony.
Cobain did not leave his Driver?s License out for identification as reported by misinformed media sources.
The first police officer on the scene found Cobain's closed wallet, opened it to remove Kurt's driver's license, and displayed it in order to take a photograph.
THE FACT IS...
The police and the Medical Examiner have no forensic evidence that proves Cobain's death was a suicide. On the other hand, there's a substantial amount of evidence for murder.
The official verdict of "suicide" was simply a rush to judgement which eventually painted the authorities into a corner as reports of so-called "copy-cat" suicides began making the news.
As you examine this case carefully, you're going to discover there's much more to the events surrounding Cobain's death than what you've been told.
more here
http://www.cobaincase.com/
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8. June 2006 @ 06:21 |
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That's some pretty good sap...rings very true.
There have been alot of fallen heroes, many have had problems.
Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Kurt Cobain, Ritchie Valens....the list goes on and on.
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8. June 2006 @ 08:01 |
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In Your list of fallen heroes you forgot Layne Staley (ex lead singer of Alice In Chains). Now as for aabbccdd, Cobain was an overratted Rock Star?? Give me a break. That man probably had more talent in his left nut than than most of the bands you probably listen to.
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8. June 2006 @ 08:35 |
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Not only did I leave out (didn't forget) Layne Staley, but many many more....I couldn't list them all. BTW, I liked Alice in Chains much more than Nirvana and I am sorry for both frontmen's early departure.
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8. June 2006 @ 10:05 |
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Daune Allman, cant forget him most were 27 years of age at there time of death
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8. June 2006 @ 10:14 |
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At the end of the day, they either die and become martirs just like Jim Morrison, or they decide to 'clean up' and become clowns... Just like Ozzy...
I love Black Sabbath. But i USED to love Ozzy. Now i don't know what to think of him...
As for Kurt... I saw a tv show years ago about it and even Courtney's dad says it was her...
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The_Fiend
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8. June 2006 @ 11:18 |
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Cobain was an overratted Rock Star?? Give me a break. That man probably had more talent in his left nut than than most of the bands you probably listen to
Actually, Kurt wasn't a great musician at all. He was a great songwriter, and a good performer, but from a guitarist's point of view, he just plain sucked. So he played agressively.. Who cares?
He only played barre chords, and i have yet to find a decent solo in a nirvana record.
This doesn't take away the fact that Kurt was a brilliant performer, and that he will be be missed by millions (and that Courtney Love must die an equally horrible death for her part in his demise), including me, but that statement of yours is just plain bullsh*t.
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8. June 2006 @ 14:15 |
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8. June 2006 @ 15:52 |
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Not anymore.... :D :D :D :D
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The_Fiend
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8. June 2006 @ 16:16 |
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Damnit, and i was just wondering if he would actually have enough knowledge about music to come up with a proper counter for that devastating fact.... :'(
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12. June 2006 @ 13:56 |
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yeah im with The_Fiend on this one...Cobain was a bad Guitar player..leave that to Hendrix.. but he was an amazing song writer...that was his talent...im sure he could write a catchy beat slap some beauty lyrics in there and make a hit nirvana song...he was an amazing talent.....
RIP KURT (we all love your little odd sunglasses)
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