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Ipod factory admits to violating labor laws
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article published on 26 June, 2006
Last week, the leader in portable music devices, Apple denied to the press that it was in any violation of labor laws for their production factories based in China. Hon Hai Precision Industry's Foxconn factory, production partner for Apple's iPod, has now stepped up to the plate and admitted to keeping workers under unfair conditions. It seems the factory turned its back on Chinese law and ... [ read the full article ]
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kfir1
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30. June 2006 @ 07:29 |
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DONUTS .... I totally disagree with you. Trade with china is unbalance. The US is exporting manufacturing jobs to china but products coming from china is no where lowered in price ,eg IPOD, than making it here.
What the US needs to do is give china a bit here and there, crumbs. Just enough for them to survive. Move all other manufacturing jobs to other Asian countries that is an allie to the US. There's the Philippines, Thailand, Korea, India, and Taiwan. Countries like these have "English speaking" and highly educated workers.
Keep china as a slave labor country. Well we dont have to. The chinese communist government is doing that for us. china has to become a democratic republic before I can agree with any trades.
Remember this ..... Massive growth of china is being feed by the American consumers NOT by any other country. KEEP china A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY. Its not in the US interest to keep feeding them.
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30. June 2006 @ 08:04 |
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If I remember correctly, China has about 1.5 billion people. Any country with that amount of people, is bound to fail on some level, they just happen to fail on human rights. With that much people, some people are willing to work for any condition, or any price, because the country obviously lacks money.
Therefore, China is a conundrum, whereby on one hand, U.S. brings big business but working standards are undermined, and on the other hand, if the U.S. wouldn't do business with China, the people would lose out on opportunity.
Anyways, China is a great example of how a country with just too many people can drain on the ressources of the government and its society. You just can't manage a country with 1.5 billion people, it just doesn't happen, so there's bound to be a lot of problems.
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30. June 2006 @ 08:09 |
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kfir1, China is not a third world country. I would say it is second world. That is, they have everything, just a very small percentage of the population can have it.
hot_ice, maybe under a democracy things wouldn't be so bad regardless of population?
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30. June 2006 @ 09:03 |
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Donuts
and you missunderstand me alittle,Tade is a balaned relationship there is no balance in the trade deals with china all we are doing is givieng them the abilty to build our cage,becuse the coperations dont care thier init for moeny they dont care if the US wont be able to buy shit becsue china will repalce us
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Its all about wealth power and money...and the coperations have showen they owen it lock stock and barrel,thier are contaly rapeing the middle class if its not the remove of pentions its the lowering of wages to keep the coperation afloft in one sector or another..this coprate BS needs to stop...coperations dont need help from the goverment to survive.....onyl the people do....
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Mmmm you have a point CHina is 2nd world or close not 3rd mmmm I wonder if mexico coutns as 2nd world...Mmm I guess so *L* I thought 2nd world nations have a desencet middle class tho a 3rd world nation has the right and the poor ,a rst world nation has a balaance of all 3,and we are loseing our middle class by the day when you go to collage and to add to it and have to have 2 of them to get by .....*sigh* its almost ponitless to go to collage unless you want to take a 30-59% pay cut in what is considered normal wage....
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30. June 2006 @ 10:56 |
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Donut, that's a very difficult question to answer. However, one thing I do know, the number one problem of any society, whether democracy or otherwise, is an overwhelming population that surpasses the capacities of the country itself. Being that China has a mind boggling 1.5 billion people, if they would switch to a democracy, I don't think it would make much of a difference, there is just too many people to handle for just about any government or nation!
I am curious now to find out how many people inhabited China 100 or maybe 200 years ago, there is clearly an overpopulation problem or else they would have not enacted a law that allows you to have one child only.
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30. June 2006 @ 10:59 |
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Oops just to correct a mistake, there are currently 1.3 billion Chinese people, there will be 1.5 billion in 2030 approximately. Still a lot of people no less!
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kfir1
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30. June 2006 @ 14:08 |
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Wow .... are we planning to exterminate half of the 1.5 billion chinese so that We, US, dont have to feed them? Nah .... the chinese government will do that for us.
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30. June 2006 @ 17:41 |
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ZIppyDSM, consider this: Country A has more Imports than exports, the value country A's currency falls as a result, hence exports from country A become more attractive, value of country A's currency goes up.
Governments also act in self interest as well, they act such that Marginal Political Benefit is greater than Marginal Political Cost. That is, they what it takes to get elected, not what is nessesarily best for the country.
Some definitions for you:
First world: Everyone can have everything, eg, US, Australia, England
Second World: The priveleged can have everything, eg, China, Russia, India
Third World: You can't get most things, whoever you are, eg. Ethiopia
hot_ice, Maybe with better management, they wouldn't need a one child policy. Imagine all those childcare jobs, lol.
LOL, this has become an economics thread on a video forum.
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3. July 2006 @ 18:51 |
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China is a huge country, imagine trying to run it, I know I couldn't, you can't really manage 1.3 billion people in one country!
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3. July 2006 @ 19:13 |
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so that makes mexico a 2nd world nation tryign to dumb its poor on us? *L*
WHatever happened to balance and oversight?......
lets see we are sellng off many goverment run or operated thigns in order to save a dime hel dubi ports is still in the hands of dubi.
In order for the coperations that our here to make more moeny we have limited to no restrictions on china goods so we can ignore the hidden inflation and buying cheaper imported stuff.
Becuse the conrty is owend by the coperatins they set the goverments policys and intrests...oh what a wonderfull world we live in.....oy vay soemtiems I wish ol bushy wuld press the button and get thigns over with *L*
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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3. July 2006 @ 22:40 |
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ZIppyDSM, it is not only corporations that control Governments. Any loud interest group controls the government. Think about abortion and gay marriage. I really doesn't effect the country if gays can get married or not, it's all about who is louder in the state/country: the church or the gays who want to get married. Abortion is actually a good thing because the babies which are aborted are usually the ones who would grow up to be criminals. (Freakonmics, by Steven Levitt) However, once again if the church is louder, then abortion will be banned. The government just wants to be re-elected.
The P2P issue can be swayed in a similar way, if P2P users are louder than the RIAA and it's equivalents, then P2P is here to stay.
It is actually recommend that corporations do not engage in "rent-seeking" activities as it is expected not to be worth their while. Maybe RIAA is an exception, but I guess that subpoenas aren't too expensive compared to how much money they want.
It seems that the church for example, is much more likely to try a control the government. Think Australia's "Family First" party, record numbers of evangelical Christians voting in USA's last presidential election.(For Bush) Yes, the world really is that horrible ;)
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4. July 2006 @ 07:46 |
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If Ipod factory admits to violating labor laws, that means they knew of working conditions beforehand, and were waiting to get caught, and then, do something about it, how convenient.
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7. July 2006 @ 06:38 |
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It's pretty bad when you can't even follow Chinese labor law. I noticed the story doesn't actually tell us how long a normal work week is in China is.
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kfir1: You need to chill dude. Racist pig.
Do you people have any idea how much money China has invested in the US? If they decided to retract that money there would not be a US anymore. Why do ya think the US is pressuring China to lower the value of the RMB?
I've travelled ALOT of the world and do importing/exporting myself and all countries mentioned by kfir1 also have problems...believe me, i've seen it with my own eyes.
China is huge with a vast amount of minorities and all these people have to be kept happy, thats why and i agree on this, the whole "freedom of speech thing is bull. Why should i be allowed to call my president an idiot in puplic and say whatever is on my mind? even make a song about it on MTV? With so many people there has to be some order. In the west its always me me me and i i i. In China its "us". Together you're stronger than anything. You folks should get out into the world more...don't just go and get drunk and lay by the hotel pool all day, talk to the people, do things they do soak up some culture. Just like the whole Tibet nonsense...I visited schools in Beijing and Shaghai where tibetan kids get a free education on one condition: Take their knowledge back to their country and help. They get accommodation for free, meals for free etc etc. and ask them what they think about the whole thing, all of them said: Just a few rotten apples that the media is paying attention to and ruining it for everyone. Tibet itself, also talked to the folks there...no problems, new schools, hospitals, infrastructure....jobs.
Should i remind you americans about isreal? bla bla bla. Slavery?
Germans....you guys were nazi's, supported by the japanese and italians....we all love german and italian cars don't we? Who doesn't want a nice bimmer or merc or an audi on the driveway? anyone? I live here now....stuff happend but its in the past. China is greatly improving, really i go there often. But we all want luxury goods at a cheap price...China is smart by taking advantage of that. Western people also want fake goods and always blame china for making them....because we create the demand!!! morons! Believe me, the chinese people don't want anything to do with fake goods....can't afford it then don't buy it.....we want to be cool and think we are as soon as we don a logo.
Lastly: US is 250 years old...China has one of the oldest cultures in the world...almost 5000 years if i'm not mistaken, i think they know what they're doing.
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