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should I be using inkjet printable cd labels?
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VJbob
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28. September 2006 @ 13:53 |
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I read in another thread and have heard various times that using cd labels can cause your DVD/CD to become unreadable over time (I don't know how that works or why anybody would use cd labels if that were the case). Also they recommend if you do use cd labels to use 'adhesive' labels that don't damage the data side of the cd.
Nevertheless I have been using Memorex CD Label Refills for years now and I have been wondering why every so often CD/DVDs skip or hiccup during playback (especially older ones).
Also, on the bottom of my Memorex CD Label Refills package it says at the bottom in fine print: "Note: Using a standard or full-face paper label on DVDs may result in the disc becoming unreadable. To reduce the risk of lost data, use only labels designed for DVDs or use a center-hub only label..." Funny how it doesn't say to use "labels SUCH AS THESE MEMOREX". Makes me wonder if they mean that their own products can cause unreadability?
Otherwise I use Sharpies to label CD/DVDs. Some are labeled "CD/DVD Marker" but that doesn't matter too much right?
So I guess I'm asking is should I stop using the labels alltogether or am I just being overly paranoid? Also if I am using markers does the marker have to say "CD/DVD marker" on it? Will a regular Sharpie hurt the CD/DVD?
Much thanks for any help.
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DiRect
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28. September 2006 @ 14:16 |
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Labels have never worked good for me, and so I would not recommend them. It affects the DVD's playback. Now, any kind of marker should not cause a problem on DVD's, so I guess Sharpie is fine. I myself print directly on DVD's using my Epson Stylus R300.
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ddp
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28. September 2006 @ 18:29 |
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use a sharpie or a printer that can print right onto a printable cd/dvd disk.
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29. September 2006 @ 09:00 |
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Yep
Sharpie or print directly onto disc. You will definetly have playback problems after awhile, using labels.
I also have an EpsonR300. Great printer. Gonna dump my HP Photosmart printer. The ink for my Epson is sooooooo much cheaper.
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VJbob
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29. September 2006 @ 17:55 |
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so any Sharpie is okay?
Honestly I don't know why people manufacture printing labels if they are harmful to the disc image or cause playback problems. Shouldn't manufacturers try to make labels that don't interfere with playback? Or is it that added weight of the label or something? Hopefully its nothing about the label and sticky part corroding a disc.
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29. September 2006 @ 18:25 |
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A lot of those paper labels are unbalanced.Special application tools are recommended. They can also build up heat. Over time,the glue may break down and the sticker will peel up. I can't recall how many drives I heard about being damaged by them,both cd and dvd.
I can't tell you how many peeps had playback issues on dvd backups that were sticker labeled.After posting numerous possibilities and then find out the sticker label was the culprit.Removing them usually fixed the playback issue,and the removal process can take considerable amount of time.
A lot of orginal cds/ dvds are printed on with a silk screen or thermal labels may have been used. I haven't seen any that had the cheaper paper sticker.
Sharpies would be the best bet. After that,lightscribe. Inkjet printable media is giving me some near original quality playback. I do like the look of shiny inkjet printable media,vs white inkjet printable. The Epson R series printers are very nice and very cheap ink. Then there's thermal printing, which I haven't messed with.
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ddp
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29. September 2006 @ 20:10 |
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if the label is made out of paper then it can shrink & expand at the same time causing the disk to warp & have read problems. had that problem as a draftsman doing a full size drawing that shrank & expanded in 1 night by 1/8". the drawing had zero tolerance so had to redraw it.
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chayne04
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30. September 2006 @ 17:49 |
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me personally i just use a sharpie. i have not bought a disc printer yet, but i am strongly considering it. i have not had any playback problems with sharpies. i just go to OD and buy like the ten pack usually lasts me for about a year. gonna be hard if i do decide to go to the disc printer, 8 dollars a year compared to 100+.
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VJbob
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1. October 2006 @ 16:06 |
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Ok found the epson 340 on sale. But before I buy it can somewhere link me to solid evidence of printed paper sticker labels causing playback and warping whether due to a)shrinkage and expansion due to heat; b)added weight of the label to the cd; etc?
Its just I bought a whole ton of labels to go with my TY media and I need to satisfy my conscionce before I toss them out and adopt printing directly.
Does this mean I should hurry up and re-backup all my backups with printed paper labels because they will all become permanently unreadable?
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goddolah
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2. October 2006 @ 02:53 |
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Used to use labels myself with no noticeable problems. However I now use an Epson R220 and print directly to disc. Its much easier, looks better and doesn't seem to use nearly as much ink as printing on to labels. Also theres no worry of the printing not being aligned correctly as is common with labels.
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basilj
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2. October 2006 @ 06:11 |
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I used to use label printed on an old Epson C740. I couldn't work out why, after playing a DVD on the standalone player it wouldn't play a few day's later.
The reason was that I was playing it without a label, then putting a sticky on. What happens is, it's extra weight and unbalances the disc, no matter how straight and firm you may think you have applied the label.
Do as chayne04 say's and use a marker. It's cheaper and safer. Don't want to spoil those nice Ty's or Verbs.
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rocky999
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2. October 2006 @ 06:50 |
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VJbob - if you want to use all of your paper labels, try this: print the labels but adhere them to the OUTSIDE of the label case. I did that for a while using the clamshell cases and it worked fine. Once the disc is in the player you can't see it anyway but this way, however you have them stacked you can still use your nice color labels. Now I use only lightscribe and I am very happy with that.
Also, I don't know if I believe it or not but they say certain markers should not be used because the solvent in the ink can attack the disk over time. Sounds like overkill but I have heard that.
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VJbob
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2. October 2006 @ 13:59 |
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thanks for replies. I went to the store recently and found it somewhat odd how there aren't many manufacturers besides Memorex and TDK who make CD/DVD printable labels. Wonder what that means.
So I guess I'll try out the Epson Stylus 340. I hear the ink is expensive but at least it'll give me piece of mind.
As for markers, I heard things just like what you mentioned. I guess I'll stick with the Sharpies that are clearly labeled "CD/DVD Marker". Man I am so paranoid.
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2. October 2006 @ 14:09 |
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VJbob
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2. October 2006 @ 14:33 |
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yeah I was looking at supermediastore also for ink but was shocked that the R340 model was not included in the truly discounted ink. However it seems to use the same ink models as the other R-series Epson Stylus' TO48x20 so I guess its okay.
Was also looking at thermal disc title printers http://www.supermediastore.com/casio-cw-...tml#description
but was concerned that they might cause damage to discs. Does anybody know or heard anything about these? Also, they recommend printing the title before burning data, but does it have to be that order?
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2. October 2006 @ 14:45 |
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It should be the same ink. Ad says R200 and R300 series in the meritline ad,which would include:
R-200
R-220
R-300
R-320
R-340
My last printer ran $30 a set of 2 at Ebay. I've saved a lot of $$$$ on ink since the purchase of my R-200. My last ink carts were $18 a set,and I'd take the empties back to staple's for $3 vouchers,so basically free ink. Now staple's changed their policy,but I heard Office Depot was doing that.
I don't see a whole lot of any feedback with thermal printers,so I can't help you there.
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VJbob
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2. October 2006 @ 16:37 |
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Turns out all the stores I checked were sold out of R340s so I bought a R220 for $30 less. I'm just going to use it for the cd/dvd printing only, but the R340 looked a lot classier, I wonder if I should return my R220 and hold out for a R340.
Although meritline is probably cheapest I will probably buy ink from supermediastore since I have many transactions with them in past.
I'm not sure if its really a 'thermal' printer because its only printing text, but if it doesn't cause disc unreadability or skips than I wouldn't have to worry about markers causing problems. Man, it is so frustrating (and complicated) trying to maintain and archive CD/DVD.
Edit: Okay just shopped at meritline (had some great deals) and noticed that the storefront was an exact replica of supermediastore but actually a bit better. I'm wondering if there is an even more popular storefront.
Also was considering Verbatim DVD-R white hub printable media since many complain about TY DVD-R white hub printable not coming out as well. Does anybody use/prefer Verbatim over TY?
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