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Verbatim 16x compared to 8x etc
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stedaman
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4. October 2006 @ 13:27 |
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Hi
A few months ago I could only buy Verbatim 16x DVD+R (datalife+ , azo)
MCC 004
Have burnt alot and been quite concerned about the quality.
Tests reveal a large amount of errors , quality score goes below 95 through Nero testing.
I have treid burns at 6x 8x and 12x , does not make much difference.
I recently bought Verbatim 8x DVD+R, older discs froma website.
code MCC 003 I believe
The results are far superior to those of Verbatim 16x, disc quality always 95 etc, minimal errors.
So my question, am i doing something wrong ?
I wont be buying Verbatim 16x anymore , going to try some Verbatim taiyo yudens
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4. October 2006 @ 14:14 |
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Dont think u r doing anything wrong.
I think what u said about the 8x being better is true with the TYs too, as i remember DOC TY and other members saying how they prefer the Yudenn002 8x disks to the yudenn003 16x disks, i am currently using Verb -Rs 16x right now and have great results with them.
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4. October 2006 @ 14:46 |
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Quote:
I recently bought Verbatim 8x DVD+R, older discs froma website.
code MCC 003 I believe
The results are far superior to those of Verbatim 16x, disc quality always 95 etc, minimal errors.
as is true for me, nothing to worry about~ :) i've been using up my own supply of MCC003s (8x DVD+R Verbs) lately and they are "better" than any of my MCC004s much like you are now seeing~
consistent 97-98 Nero cd-dvd speed scores burning @8x on Benq 1650 :)
as far as Verbatim Taiyo Yuden, i'm going to assume you live in the UK, because they are not available here in the U.S. where i reside; as to the results on the 16x DVD+R YUDEN000T03s, mine are pretty good (silver shiny 16x TYs DVD+R), but once again as 300bowler mentioned, i get my BEST scores/quality from the 8x DVD+R YUDEN000T02s :) good luck
docTY
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
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stedaman
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4. October 2006 @ 15:24 |
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Yeh I am going to order some YUDEN000T02 , 100 for £40 , bit expensive but its worth it from what I understand
Ill buy a small amount of verbatim taiyo yuden to see what they are like.
and yes I am from the uk :p
what are vanilla taiyo yuden ? I have heard people talk about them. never seen any.
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4. October 2006 @ 19:15 |
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from the accounts i've read here on AD with members from the UK and SVP, the Verbatim Taiyo Yudens are less expensive than the "vanilla TYs" with which you speak of, i'm going to assume the "vanilla TYs" are the plain silver shiny ones manufactured by Taiyo Yuden and sold as such compared to that of BRANDED TYs (ie. Verbatim in your neck of the woods) being TYs of "other flavors" :)
i wonder if they have neopolitan TYs, with an assortment of vanilla, strawberry, and chocolate for an individual's personal liking~ :)
i also think that when SVP does offer Verbatim TYs, they sell out rather quickly, so when available, it would be a good idea to scoop them up before they are out of stock :P
now look at what you've gone and made me do, little inferences to ice cream throughout this post...j/k
i've used plenty of Taiyo Yudens in all the flavors, whether it be direct from the company/online retailers here as shiny silvers, or under local store brands such as the 8x rated TYs under Fujifilm/Sony that are MIJ (made in japan) and are manufactured by Taiyo Yuden but "branded" by the other companies to sell to the public here in the U.S.
just trying to steer you in the right direction, i'm sure our moderator creaky could help with your decision buying from SVP over there~ him and his "sexy VerbTYs" :)
docTY
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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5. October 2006 @ 10:52 |
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hehe i knew i'd feature in this one :)
quick reply for now as i'm settling down to watch X-Men 3, but for now i'll say that i've being having issues with my recent MCC004 purchases. Some of them have been taking twice as long to burn, but luckily the resultant burns have been fine (so far). I won't complain as i picked up a few tubs (tubs of 50) for £5 each, but it doesn't inspire confidence when they play up like this. I use 'Verbatim TY' predominately, and after the MCC004 problems i've been having on and off i'll use them up and stick to 'Verbatim TY'.
http://www.svp.co.uk do tend to sell out of the Verb TY's real quickly, i'm partly to blame for that :P
for speed i'll just paste this link for now http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/1/229523 it'll give an idea of what we're going on about :)
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5. October 2006 @ 11:26 |
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I'll chime in from Michigan. I have not had really good burns using the 16x +R verbs MCC004's as compared to the 8x +R's MCC003 which were fantastic. Of course some of the issues may be the firmware that my BenQ DW1650 is equipped with. I just updated to BCIC a couple of days ago and have not burned with that firmware to evaluate it. The BCHC firmware would only provide me with 92 to 96 quality ratings (mostly the lower end of the spectrum) which I did not find stellar by any means. They play fine though.
I have actually been thinking about burning a few with my NEC 3550 1Y6 and see how they perform. Might do that tonight.
Cheers
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5. October 2006 @ 12:43 |
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my 2 Benq DW1650's are at different firmware levels, can't remember which; also i never bother messing with solidburn or qsuite or all that stuff anymore. I just chuck the discs in the trays and burn. For normal Verbatim i do get slightly better results with MCC003 over MCC004 but generally i do get quite lazy ie i've got into the habit of just picking up a tub of discs and burning (the way DVD burning should be, after all) and paying very little attention to what discs i'm using. I only use 'Verbatim TY' (2 or more varieties of those) & MCC003, MCC004 so i'm able to just burn without caring what discs actually go into the burners. I often end up with a +R disc in one burner and a -R in another, and mix and match of Verbatim TY (of whichever variety) and normal Verbatim.
It's only when some of the discs burn twice as long that i notice they're the MCC004's
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stedaman
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5. October 2006 @ 16:02 |
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Looked around svp and looks a good website, Ive been using this one personally http://www.digitalpromo.co.uk
Got 200 DVD+R 8x verbatim MCC003, and they work really nice.
Decided to buy 100 sliver topped Taiyo Yuden to see if I also find them the best. 8x dvd+r's
May also buy some verbatim Taiyo Yuden's from svp if you dont nick them all creaky ;0.
Cannot understand the MCC004's though. They seem to work fine but then the picture freezes in my dvd player. I test them and they come out with alot more errors.
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5. October 2006 @ 16:28 |
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@stedaman
i would stick with what works best for you, in this case, the 8x rated MCC003 Verbatims~ :) the ones over here in the U.S. are very good too, few months ago i picked up 500 on sale from an online retailer, but am down to my last 70 or so now; when i see them on sale, im never hesitant to buy more before they're completely gone~
my supply of Taiyo Yudens is always in the thousand+ range, you can never have enough of the "good stuff" as i commonly refer to them as~ :)
@9mm
long time we haven't crossed paths, i haven't noticed anything spectacular or even anything special that has caught my attention w/ the BCIC, i've been using it since the day it was available on the global Benq website :) i can't personally say it's any "better" than the previous one, but in the same breath, it's not any "worse" (at least for me)...my quality scans have remained consistent with all the media that i use frequently and have not noticed any decrease in scores. i no longer buy ANY Verbatim 16x DVD+R since my short supply was used up long ago, perhaps it's a drive specific issue or even a firmware issue, after all is said and done, i just stick with what has worked well for ME in the past, and for ME, this would imply 8x rated media, namely the YUDEN000T02s and the MCC003s (TY + Verb respectively) :)
happy burning
docTY
edit: eh, not some of my best, but it's a recent one done today; i'm a little unhappy at the PIFs, but the movie plays just fine on all standalone players i own :) i might give my drive another flashing and tweaking before the nite is ova~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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5. October 2006 @ 23:09 |
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yeah, i've still got over a 1000 Verbatim TY of various flavours, it's been ages since i've mooched on svp, might have a look later
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DogBomb
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6. October 2006 @ 09:53 |
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stedaman, it probably is a firmware issue. Even if you've updated to your DVD burner's latest firmware, it still might not have added Verbatim's 16X media to the list of supported media. It could just use some default burn strategy on 16Xs and give you terrible results. Every new speed increase in media has caused some problems in the first year - lots of problems with 8X media when they came out, so I figure it could be the same issue now with 16X media.
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7. October 2006 @ 03:12 |
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Hey there Doc, I hope that all is well with you. My scans of the verbs look somewhat similar. It's just frustrating cause I want better than mid 90 scans. It will require using TY's I'm afraid. Everything does play well, so I guess I shouldn't complain.
Anyway, nice hearing from you. It has been a while, as I have been extremely busy this summer, long hours. Slowing down now so I will be back trolling the board.
Later buddy.
You too creaky. :)
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