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Making Video DVDs for Standalone Players
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CiDaemon
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9. October 2006 @ 12:50 |
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I record and edit video for a local community theatre as a sideline, and I have found time and time again that several of my DVDs are returned by the buyers becuase they do not work in their standalone players. One of two things seems to happen- either the disk skips badly (especially after the first 45:00) or does not work at all. To fix the skipping problems, I upgraded to higher quality media (16x TY DVD-R) but have yet to try them, as they do not come in until tomorrow. I assume that the skipping is caused by the cheaply dyed disks that I used to buy (Memorex CMC MAGs, which I have heard are the worst ever) and that using the TY's will eliminate the skips. I do not know what causes some players to reject the disks altogether, but I have a sneaking suspicion that it is the DVD-R book type. Unfortunately, there seems to be no way to change a DVD-R to DVD-ROM, only a DVD+R. Is this a function of the media I am buying or my drives-i.e. once my TY's come in will I be able to change the book type to DVD-ROM? Or it it totally impossible to book a DVD-R as DVD-ROM? In the latter case, would it be better to buy DVD+R for video dvds? On another note, will the DVD-R booktype affect playability of backup game disks as well?
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9. October 2006 @ 13:07 |
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Yes, u are right that Dvd-Rs can NOT be booktyped to DVD-Rom, Only the DVD+Rs can be.
There are also lots of reasons why some media wont play in every dvd player, Quality(Compatability) of the disks, some dvd players do not play every format.
Even using top notch media like TYs will not guarantee that they will play on every dvd player, but will have the least problems when it comes to using media rather than all the other media
So u r right in the sense of buying +R media for those can be booktyped and will have the greatest compatability with dvd players, but not all dvd burners are capable of doing that, so first before u buy +Rs u better make sure ur burner is able to do that.
PS. Memorex=MemoSUX, u learned this the hard way.
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9. October 2006 @ 16:22 |
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Booktyping is for compatability which would be: No disc/Dirty disc/Wrong region/Wrong format/or similar message when trying to get a backup disc to be recognized in dvd drives. Skipping/freezing/jumping/pixellation is usually do to other issues.
What's the make and model # of your DVD-RW drive?
Playing backups on a lot of different drives: Gotta definitely have a booktyping capable burner.I learned the hard way.I thought all dvd burners were the same, NOT! Quality booktyping drives usually cost less than the crappy drives.
Booktyping will allow the highest compatability for your backups.A lot of other things factor in as well:
Burner quality- Crappy burners= crappy/low compatable backups-many errors.
Media quality-Quality media will prevent a lot of issues.
Burn speed- Burn to the speed that gives the fewest PIE/Pif errors
Programs.
Burn engines- Stand alones can pick apart certain burn engines.
Compression- Keep to a minimum
Programs for conversion.
Backup target- Don't burn to edge of disc. Keep target set at 4360 mbs.
Multi-tasking- Some programs hog your processor,keep all background apps shut down.
Paper/Sticker labels- Stand alones will have more issues with them.
Make sure your DVD-RW drive plays its own backups,and they should look near perfect.If those issues show on the burner during playback,something is definitely wrong.
If it plays them perfect,then it's the stand alone players/game consoles/and other pc dvd drives.Playing backup discs are more challenging on them.Once you rule out all those possibilities,then usually it's the players fault like dirty lens or it may be on it's way to the landfill.
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9. October 2006 @ 16:35 |
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here is my standard reply on player compatibiliy:
there are plenty of reasons why certain dvds won't play in other players:
1. burning speeds: burn at 4x so there will be less writing errors (rule of thumb is to burn at half the rated speed of the disk--8X disk burn at 4x).
2. read manual for your stand alone player and use the disks that will play in your player. If your player is less than 2 yrs old then it should play the + or - R disks! I said SHOULD that's why you read the manual.
3. try booktyping your drive to DVd-ROM so it will make your +R disks more compatible to players. Read this:
http://k-probe.com/bitsetting-booktype-faq.php
4. make sure that there are no finger prints or scratches on your disk that make it hard for the player to read the disk!
5. use good quality media (rule of thumb....buy the ones that are Made in Japan.) Verbatim is a top notch disk and is the only exception to this rule....some Verbatims are made in Taiwan and they are top notch!
6. and don't burn too close to the outer edge of the disk ..... which will make the disk unreadable! but using good media you will be able to burn close to the edge better than lesser quality media. Just in case I only burn no closer than 4400MB, so if you can set your programs to that, all the better!
follow these little tips of the trade and you'll have better success! good luck.
also read this:
http://www.cdfreaks.com/print/article/113
why the +R media is better than the -R media
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CiDaemon
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11. October 2006 @ 11:12 |
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Thanks for all the replies, I got alot more help than I expected!
My drives are:
TSSTCorp SH-S162L
TSSTCorp TS-H552B
Both have the latest firmware.
I didn't get the top drive until fairly recently, as it can burn/read DVD-RAM, lightscribe, and has higher burn speeds for DVD+-R and RW media.
Both drives play their own backups, and each other's backups, perfectly.
My 16x TY media just came in, I have burned about 15 of them so far (at 4x using Nero Express) and they all seem to work on the standalone players I've got around the house, including my PS2. A surface scan using CD/DVD Speed shows 100% green. I have not tried to play a video all the way through and see if there are any skips, but I will soon, and assume there won't be.
I cannot do a "disk quality test" with either of my drives, so I cannot find the PIF/PIE/etc information.
I cannot get CD/DVD Speed to bitset my drives, and DVD Decrypter does not support booktyping on either drive. I do not know if it is possible to booktype them using some other software.
I have always used -R media for video disks, although up until now it has been Memorex ;(. I do have DVD+RW disks, but I use them as backup/storage for PC data, not video or console games. They are also Memorex disks, although not from CMC Mag.
One more question; would it be better to buy DVD-Rs or DVD+Rs and booktype them to DVD-ROM (for videos and game backups)? I am worried that the players that have trouble playing DVD-R will be even worse on DVD+R, I read somewhere that DVD-R are compatible with 93% of players and DVD+R only with about 85%. Would booktyping a DVD+R to DVD-ROM make it work in all players, or only 85%? And, since I have yet to see TY DVD+Rs for sale, what would be the best brand to buy for superior media quality on + disks?
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11. October 2006 @ 12:27 |
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As far as I know,your drives don't have booktyping capability. The dash format should fare better for you.
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And, since I have yet to see TY DVD+Rs for sale, what would be the best brand to buy for superior media quality on + disks?
Verbatim are rated up there with taiyo yuden. They both have the same dye: Advanced Metal AZO. Top notch stuff. The plus format will cost more if you buy them on the web. I get most of mine locally,and on sale. $15 per spindle of 50,either format. Look in the DVDR media room for the weekly sales post. Bestbuy/Staples/Office Depot/and Office. 1 of those stores will have them on sale each week.
Taiyo Yuden: Look at the top of the spindles of sony for a white octagon foam spacer on the top-and label saying Manufactured in Japan. Those will yield taiyo yuden. Not the white/round or the gray/round spacers.The + 1x-8x sony tys will ID as Yuden000-T02.Harder to find on the +1x-16x speed.They'll ID as Ty-g02 or Ty-g03 for their dash spindles with the white/octagon spacer.
$13 per spindle of 50 when on sale at staples,and they are on sale this week.
The taiwanese sony aren't too shabby either,but same price as the japanese spindles.Those spindles will be all mixed around,so you may want to look at every spindle.
The japanese maxells are also top notch stuff. Read the shrink wrapper for Made in Japan. They're made by Hitachi. The taiwanese spindles will yield riteks,but some chance of getting cmc mags.
Same goes for Fuji:Look for Made in japan,avoid the taiwanese.
Anything else like TDK/Phillips/HP/Etc- be cautious of them. You may be able to burn them ok,but stand alone players will have a harder time playing them-guaranteed.
Another note: Stand alone players will have an even harder time recognizing DVD+RW and DVD-RW.
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CiDaemon
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11. October 2006 @ 17:20 |
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Taiyo Yuden: Look at the top of the spindles of sony for a white octagon foam spacer on the top-and label saying Manufactured in Japan. Those will yield taiyo yuden. Not the white/round or the gray/round spacers.The + 1x-8x sony tys will ID as Yuden000-T02.Harder to find on the +1x-16x speed.They'll ID as Ty-g02 or Ty-g03 for their dash spindles with the white/octagon spacer.
The Yuden 16x DVD-R's I bought last week coded TYG03.
I found some "+" Yudens on Newegg, but as it seems that I cannot booktype I will continue to use the "-" disks. I just hope they work for Ps2 backups. Do they?
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Another note: Stand alone players will have an even harder time recognizing DVD+RW and DVD-RW.
Even if they're booktyped DVD+RW to DVD-ROMs? I guess this dosen't matter sice I cant booktype anyway, but it would be good to know.
Thanks for more quick replies.
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