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Is Vista Worth It?
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jazo132
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20. February 2007 @ 14:54 |
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I just bought a new HP laptop about 7 months ago, and I was just wondering if it's worth it to buy Vista for it. What are all the new features in Vista and are there any big bugs in it?
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Jazo
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janrocks
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20. February 2007 @ 15:05 |
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Read the thoughts on vista thread. Big bug.. well DRM, no drivers, resource hog.. do I need to go on?
Stay with XP.. or even better, upgrade to some open source software.
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20. February 2007 @ 17:46 |
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The answer is yes, if you have a pc that can run it. But it's still better than xp even if you don't. all you really need is ram, about 1gb of it which can be purchased for as cheap as 65 dollars for a pc. A little more for laptop ram. But you can still run it just fine on 512mb. And you really don't need windows aero, but it's nice to have. I mean come on, us computer users have gotten by just fine without aero so i don't see why people complain about not being able to use it. Basic vista is still better than xp. If you buy a computer from an OEM then you should have no problem running vista. If your like me and put together your own computer you might have some driver issues like i did with media center. But it's nothing you can't easily fix. As far as bugs go, i personally have not run into any.
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spudgun77
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20. February 2007 @ 23:53 |
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I would run the vista upgrade advisor tool to see if it is compatiable first, I myself personally would not buy it just yet, I would hang on a couple of months and wait till a few more bugs are ironed out and more drivers are released. There is already a service pack in waiting in the pipeline for vista.
No doubt vista is the way forward for microsoft users, but just like the arrival of XP there will be a couple of teething problems to cross now it is has entered into the public domain.
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The_Fiend
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21. February 2007 @ 08:44 |
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Funny, most of my colleagues and fellow minded IT folks seem to think that Vista is several steps backward in security, and one step forward towards losing control over your own system, and your choice in software use.
So in short : not worth the disc it's printed on, let alone the ridiculous amount Microsucks asks.
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janrocks
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21. February 2007 @ 11:46 |
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I heard a lovely quote in a pc shop today.. It goes like this
"People who go on about how great vista is have their head stuck so firmly up Bill Gates' ass I don't think even modern surgical methods can retrieve it"
I can't be bothered thinking of a better way of putting it. I'm already laughing at the people who have installed this nasty "deny yourself your rights" monster, and are having all sorts of problems. Don't come crying when you can't copy a cd, or a film, or listen to downloaded music.. It will be your fault.
Just because something is new doesn't make it "the best" It just makes it new. And how many times does "new" mean "untested and very probably faulty?"
I'm waiting for the first really nasty exploits to hit the wild.. with no antivirus it will be great fun..........
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21. February 2007 @ 23:29 |
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yes because starting this year you have to go to vista because several problems are going to happen to xp users
1. no new direct x direct x 10 is vista only sucks if your a gamer
2. adobe flash player will soon face the same fate vista only
i have vista home basic and i like several of the features what i hate is tha darn security system that asks do you want to run this app do you want to allow this program to connect to the internet do you want to run the internet
this is nuts
my recommendations
1.go to mac os x using the osx86 project
2.go to linux
at least apple and linux wont mess you over
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jazo132
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22. February 2007 @ 17:43 |
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Thanks for all the suggestions everyone. I think I'll just stick to XP until some of the bugs are ironed out.
Thanks again.
Jazo
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nckspec
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22. February 2007 @ 18:40 |
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I have vista and it is actually very worth it. Its much more easy to exit non responding programs, it will tell you if there is a newer version and will give you a link of a program, and there is easy updates for hardware. Also if your into games there is going to be some sweet features like you will be able to play with gamers on the xbox 360. But before u do I greatly suggest you download this program from windows.com that tells you what to upgrade. So if you want to get the best experience out of vista you should use that advisor.
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23. February 2007 @ 07:48 |
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Quote:
i have vista home basic and i like several of the features what i hate is tha darn security system that asks do you want to run this app do you want to allow this program to connect to the internet do you want to run the internet
You can turn off the UAC in the User Accounts section.
Currently, I am diving into the world of Vista Ultimate (full version install)... have to since I help others with PC issues for a living.
As it sits right now....it's stable. But,..I just broke the horse in, I haven't taken it to the track yet.
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bkim
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23. February 2007 @ 23:12 |
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I would not recommend getting Vista just yet.
Many of my friends have been having problems running programs, playing games, and has been locking up on them for no reason.
It feels too much like Vista has control over your computer, not you.
I would wait a couple months until the service pack comes out or something.
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Slippster
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1. March 2007 @ 03:17 |
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ok well, heres what Im doing-
I built my PC and what I decided to do was dual-boot with XP.
I have 2 hard drives in my box.
one has xp the other has vista.
now it IS possible to put em BOTH on one hard drive-
partition first using partition maghic or whatever app you use for that task.
youll need to have at least 20 gigs free for vista in that partition.
that way you can go back n forth between the 2
and testout, compare and contrast.
what really disses me is when it blue screens.
and that I cannot use the nvidia profiles to have brighness automatically set when it boots up.
i have to manually reset the brightness and gamma EVERYTIME i boot into vista.
gaming? DX10 rocks. I play UT2004 and i cant complain at all.
im using a geforce 7800GS AGP and running the 100.65 vista drivers.
also- some of my wma files (songs) sound like the volume limiter is running even when its "off"
so that bothers me as well.
drm whatever the hell it is-
runs (task mgr) when the wma file runs- even tho I removed the DRM stuff! ( DRM removal tool)
so i dont know man.
for more info on vista try keznews.com
its in league with what you guys do here.
in short id say WAIT-
oh almost forgot!
I have a dvd drive that has LIGHTSCRIBE.
HP unit, and even thos THEY SAY it works under vista-
vista cant find the drive under lightscribe software.
and im running Roxio which works ok so far, havent tried to burn any disks yet but the program installed with zero hassles.
like XP- when it came out-
its early in the game and all the players arent on the playing field yet.
I cant think of anything else to say.
bottomj line - if youre a gamer like me- dual boot and go for it-
enough of the program works for daily stuff- surfing the web-
playing games-
listening to music is a mixed bag tho.
anmd nvidia profiles wont load on startup
other than all those issues vista os .......so-so
im not WOWED. IM LIKE WTF? WTF IS THIS?
its XP in whore makeup.
but when you wake up in the morning its still XP on the inside.
just redone over with a new facia and half the stuff you like about XP taken away.
and i dont have a sound card so im not going thru all THAT hell.
ik sure horror stories abound.
well thats all I got. for now.
Have Fun-
Slippster
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Slippster
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1. March 2007 @ 04:14 |
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one last thing-
if you do dual boot-
youll probably want it to boot into XP first-
but by default it boots into vista as the first choicer after install.
to fix this download Tweak VI and go to the boot loader section and you can change the default 1st boot system back to XP
and you can even set how many seconds you have to make the choice.
I use 4 seconds. that way, if im boot-time defragging with diskeeper,
it reboots right back into XP with zero hassles!
have fun whatever you choose to do!
Slippster
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1. March 2007 @ 07:53 |
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Well....after a bit on the track, the horse has broken all but one leg.
Horror story too long to post.
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The_Fiend
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1. March 2007 @ 13:22 |
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Well Morph, i'd hate to say "i told you so" so i won't.
But i will ask, was it as much fun for you now as it was for me 4 months ago in the testing phase ? ;-)
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1. March 2007 @ 15:03 |
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I think some bloggers described Vista perfectly:
"Windows Vista is Microsoft's suicide note to the world."
Burn.
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The_Fiend
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1. March 2007 @ 15:29 |
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That's a very fitting description indeed. :-)
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2. March 2007 @ 12:28 |
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I've been throwing more things at it then you could with the betas...in fact, somewhere in my old pile of CDs...I still have 4074!!
Of course....I was bound to find something that would break it. Now..trying to find the culprit, is another thing all together.
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2. March 2007 @ 13:22 |
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READ MORE ON VISTA HERE AND SEE IF YE MADE A MISTAKE ON BUYING VISTA OR USING VISTA..AS I DO KEEP THIS THREAD UPDATED..
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/308662
SIDE NOTE: I have vista home pro on a hard drive i liked vista so much i pulled the hard drive and installed my dual boot xp-poop crap hard drive and windows 2000 back into the computer.
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note i was a vista beta tester,and vista is spyware for microsoft and the movie studios..you do not own vista as ye will see when ye read the article i posted below..
THAT WAS THE BEST THING TO DO WITH VISTA,AS TO PUT THE VISTA HD IN MY TO THINK ABOUT LATER WINDOWS 95 BOX..FILED UNDER CRAP..
Microsoft can activate Vista even if it doesn't need to
It's blinking amazing
By INQUIRER staff: Wednesday 28 February 2007, 19:54
SOMETIMES, it appears, that you might be asked to activate Windows Vista on a computer on which activation wasn't required before.
The problem "rarely occurs" says the Vole, but might happen if you install a device driver, install a program, run a new program or remove a program.
So far the problem seems to be confined to Vista machines, but if it starts happening to XP machines because of the WGA, be sure to let us know.
Here is the Volish note.below
It is like walking through narrow corridors in Byzantium we are given to understand. But luckily we've never walked through narrow corridors in Byzantium. In the meantime, here's a pic of Al Gore a reader mocked up for a us a year or two back while you contemplate your Vista perambulation. µ
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37917
You may be prompted to activate Windows Vista on a computer on which Windows Vista activation was not previously required
View products that this article applies to.
Article ID : 931573
Last Review : February 15, 2007
Revision : 2.1
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RESOLUTION
To resolve this problem if it has already occurred
To prevent this problem
Windows Vista
Windows Vista for 64-bit Systems
STATUS
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SYMPTOMS
You may be prompted to activate Windows Vista on a computer on which Windows Vista activation was not previously required. Although this problem rarely occurs, it may occur during typical use of a Windows Vista-based computer. For example, this problem may occur under one or more of the following conditions:
? You install a device driver.
? You install a program.
? You run a new program.
? You remove a program.
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CAUSE
This problem may occur because a specific system setting is removed when a program runs with administrative credentials. The removal of this system setting may cause a BIOS validation check to fail. The BIOS validation check is part of the system activation process. Therefore, you may be prompted to activate Windows Vista, even though the system did not previously require activation. For example, this problem is known to occur when you use Intuit QuickBooks 2007. However, this problem may also infrequently occur when you install other programs or device drivers.
Note This problem does not occur because of an issue in the installed program or device driver. This problem is caused by a system problem in Windows Vista.
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RESOLUTION
To resolve this problem if it has already occurred
To resolve this problem if it has already occurred, use one of the following methods:
? If you have been prompted to activate Windows Vista, and you have not used the product key to manually activate Windows Vista, install update 931573, and then restart the computer.
? If you have been prompted to activate Windows Vista, and you have used the product key to manually activate Windows Vista, install update 931573, and then activate Windows Vista by telephone. For more information about how to activate Windows Vista, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
925616 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/925616/) Error message when you start Windows Vista: "Your activation period has expired"
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To prevent this problem
To prevent this problem, install update 931573. To do this, visit the following Microsoft Web site:
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com (http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com)
The following files are available for download from the Microsoft Download Center:
Windows Vista
DownloadDownload the Update for Windows Vista (KB931573) package now. (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=5549C98D-421A-4F77-97F3-4E82A4D6471B)
Windows Vista for 64-bit Systems
DownloadDownload the Update for Windows Vista for 64-bit Systems (KB931573) package now. (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=C4BC5D31-3CEA-4992-84D7-334D29580EF1)
Release Date: January 30, 2007
For more information about how to download Microsoft support files, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
119591 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/119591/) How to obtain Microsoft support files from online services
Microsoft scanned this file for viruses. Microsoft used the most current virus-detection software that was available on the date that the file was posted. The file is stored on security-enhanced servers that help prevent any unauthorized changes to the file.
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STATUS
Microsoft has confirmed that this is a problem in the Microsoft products that are listed in the "Applies to" section.
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MORE INFORMATION
For more information about how hotfix packages are named, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
816915 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/816915/) New file naming schema for Microsoft Windows software update packages
For more information, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
824684 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824684/) Description of the standard terminology that is used to describe Microsoft software updates
The third-party products that this article discusses are manufactured by companies that are independent of Microsoft. Microsoft makes no warranty, implied or otherwise, about the performance or reliability of these products.
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APPLIES TO
? Windows Vista Ultimate
? Windows Vista Starter
? Windows Vista Home Premium
? Windows Vista Home Basic
? Windows Vista Enterprise
? Windows Vista Business 64-bit EN
? Windows Vista Business
? Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit edition
? Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit edition
? Windows Vista Home Basic 64-bit edition
? Windows Vista Enterprise 64-bit edition
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/931573/en-us
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2. March 2007 @ 20:06 |
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500 bugs on release day....
499 more to go!
We ended up taking her out with a single shot to the back of the head...
"Stop 0x0000000A Irql_Not_Less_or_Equal" BSOD...
(This behavior can occur if there is incompatible hardware or an incompatible device driver on your computer)
Yeah...no kidding!!
Vista...may she rest in peace... (or at least until SP1's super potion might be able to raise it from the dead)
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jazo132
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3. March 2007 @ 17:41 |
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Well, It looks like I can get a copy of Vista from work for free, but I just have one question.
Is it possible to run Vista and XP Home with an HP dv6000 Laptop with only a 1.6 GHz Processor but 2GB RAM?
Thanks,
Jazo
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Slippster
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3. March 2007 @ 19:18 |
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"it works on paper" "your milage may vary"
MY SYSTEM SCORES A 4.3 by the way. (for those who care.)
2 gigs ram youre good-
cpu youre good-
BUY vista? mmmmm you gotta make THAT choice for yourself ;)
new? not much. for me its like theres LESS.
BUGS? - i wouldnt say bugs- just no driver support.
its not buggy per se,
I mean- SOMETHING HAS TO WORK FIRST -
before it can BE BUGGY.
edit- ok i have had a few BSOD's yes- BLUE SCREENS!
gives me cold chills.... remembering WinME days.
lets not go down that path PLEASE!
im hoping all this will work itself out REAL FAST.
having said all of the above-
I AM currently playing EVE ONLINE in vista,
and the experience is flawless. WOW
( about the only wow so far-
is the gamers experience in UT2004 and EVE,
and also Tachyon the Fringe. all games play flawlessly.(S0 FAR)
purely glitch free.
my system specs:
since i have not reported them this far-
cpu: AMD 64 3000 running @ 2.5 ghz (OC'd from 1.8)
ram:(512 x 2) 1 gig mushkin ddr400 running @ 228 mhz
mobo: Abit AV8 bios 27 Via K8T800 Pro Chipset
3D: Nvidia 7800GS AGP / Nvidia 100.65 Vista drivers
dvd: HP dvd840i super multi/double layer/lightscribe
LIGHTSCRIBE DRIVERS DO NOT WORK SO FAR !!
so NO lightscribe in vista...YET. grrrrrrr
oh wait- the big qiestion IS IT WORTH IT?
NO.
stay with xp.
if you like to tinker, then yeah-
but if you want stuff to work without any hassles,
then stick with xp. ;)
I have offered my user experience here-
in the hopes that others may read-
and learn from my personal exp.
im not connected in any way with m$-
or any of its affiliates- or anyone- for that matter.
im a user.
just. like. you.
Slippster
edit:fix spelling, add thoughts
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jazo132
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4. March 2007 @ 10:45 |
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Is it worth it if I can get a copy for free? And how easy is it to run both XP and Vista on the same computer?
Thanks
Jazo
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Slippster
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4. March 2007 @ 12:32 |
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ok lets back up a step-
this is for a laptop right?
ive never owned a laptop, so i dont know-
desktop, id say go for it.
but only if youre the geeky type.
the AVG user should steer clear of vista for now.
unless you buy a pc with it already on it then it should be fine because hopefully they configged the machine to the os.
lol aint that bass ackwards!
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subpopz
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4. March 2007 @ 20:59 |
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Lets just bash it coz we can, shall we?
I had XP for years, and even on my newest machine (P4 3.4Ghz, 1GB RAM, 256MB GeForce FX 6600) and it still sucked. I ended up making an nLite slipstream disc to try and fix the problems with XP.
Having enough, I upgraded to Vista Home Premium and it does everything better on this machine than XP ever dreamed of. I find everything faster and more efficient.
Sure, there's a lot of annoyances, but they are easily turned off (UAC, Aero, Security Center, etc...)
I haven't experienced any DRM problems, except with HD-DVD because my audio card is not hooked up digital out. All other HD/media content I have tried works fine.
The DRM doesn't even seem to check for HDCP compliance because I get video out of HD-DVD's and my video card is not HDCP compliant.
I'm not a Microsoft enthusiast, or even a mild fan of Microsoft, and Vista is still far from the perfect OS, but its still better than XP, IMO.
And, lets face it, if you want mainstream support software for a PC (especially for HD-DVD & Blu-ray) you will have to have a Microsoft OS.
And to answer a question someone had about how easy it is to run both one hard drive, its very easy. I first dual-booted off one hard drive (XP & Vista) and it was fine, as long as you have a decently sized drive to accomodate both.
And as someone who has tried 2 different versions of Vista (Ultimate & Home Premium), I'd recommend Home Premium. I found Ulitamte to be bogged down with too much Business crap - so unless you want all the extra business features, Home Premium is the way to go.
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