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azndrake
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28. March 2007 @ 08:56 |
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Blueray will be better in audio and video in the next coming week. Since it has just been announce that the newer blueray movies will use a double layer bd disc instead of a single layer. This means that it will take over 25 gigs of space per a movie, while a HD-DVD can only store 30 gigs (dual layer).
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Sony Pictures also confirmed that all of their upcoming Blu-ray releases will be released on 50GB dual-layer discs. Upcoming titles include The Pursuit of Happyness (March 27), Warriors of Heaven and Earth (March 27), Volver (April 3), Identity (April 3), Secret Window (April 24), Catch and Release (May 8), Donnie Brasco (May 8), Revenge (May 8), Stomp the Yard (May 15) and Closer (May 22).
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mimesis
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28. March 2007 @ 18:01 |
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I worked for the largest manufacturer of DVD/CD/HD-DVD/Blu-Ray in the world "Cinram". I worked there when both HD and Blu-ray were being introduced and produced by the company and we got to sit through seminars and watch both as we were looking for minor imperfections in the video such as flicker, blurring, color morphing, etc. And to give you a definitive answer from the company and from I Blu-ray does not have the clarity and sharpness of HD-DVD although Blu-ray is still in an adolescent state as the process to a good mass production of Blu-ray versus scraping alot of discs was still a factor when i left. There was talk that once the process had all the kinks worked out that the video would be a little better, however i never stayed long enough to find out if they worked out the bugs.
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azndrake
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28. March 2007 @ 18:19 |
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Originally posted by mimesis:
I worked for the largest manufacturer of DVD/CD/HD-DVD/Blu-Ray in the world "Cinram". I worked there when both HD and Blu-ray were being introduced and produced by the company and we got to sit through seminars and watch both as we were looking for minor imperfections in the video such as flicker, blurring, color morphing, etc. And to give you a definitive answer from the company and from I Blu-ray does not have the clarity and sharpness of HD-DVD although Blu-ray is still in an adolescent state as the process to a good mass production of Blu-ray versus scraping alot of discs was still a factor when i left. There was talk that once the process had all the kinks worked out that the video would be a little better, however i never stayed long enough to find out if they worked out the bugs.
how long did you work there for? Could you please tell us a rough estimate of the time period? Thanks
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error5
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29. March 2007 @ 03:45 |
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Originally posted by mimesis:
There was talk that once the process had all the kinks worked out that the video would be a little better, however i never stayed long enough to find out if they worked out the bugs.
There's general consensus that the bugs have been worked out. Picture quality is a virtual tie. Case in point are the releases that are VC-1 encodes for both formats. See my post above from February 24.
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31. March 2007 @ 11:14 |
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I worked at Cinram Manufacturing in Olyphant, PA from June 2006 - August 2006. Being that it's nearly 8 months since i have moved i would think that the process has finally been cleaned up. I still have friends that work at the facility i could ask how it has come along if you would like.
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6. April 2007 @ 04:40 |
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Originally posted by mimesis:
I still have friends that work at the facility i could ask how it has come along if you would like.
that would be awesome if you could
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Trom
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2. May 2007 @ 08:49 |
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Originally posted by poolpro:
HD-DVD hands down.Better video and audio.
Comments like these are not at all helpful and just display a bias for HD-DVD that is not based on any personal experience or proven information. I have watched both formats and to my eye there is very little difference. All I can say is that both are better than standard DVD. So the premise that HD-DVD has better video and audio just is not true. I would say the one thing HD-DVD has going for it is that it is the cheaper option and as there is little to choose in quality between both formats(IMO)the cost issue may be one of the deciding factors. Having said that it has recently been reported that blue-ray prices may fall in the not to distant future so there still may be a good way to go before one format triumphs.
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Trom
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2. May 2007 @ 08:52 |
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Originally posted by poolpro:
HD-DVD hands down.Better video and audio.
Comments like these are not at all helpful and just display a bias for HD-DVD that is not based on any personal experience or proven information. I have watched both formats and to my eye there is very little difference. All I can say is that both are better than standard DVD. So the premise that HD-DVD has better video and audio just is not true. I would say the one thing HD-DVD has going for it is that it is the cheaper option and as there is little to choose in quality between both formats(IMO)the cost issue may be one of the deciding factors. Having said that it has recently been reported(http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/05/01/blue-lasers-coming-down-in-price-ps3-to-follow) that blue-ray prices may fall in the not to distant future so there still may be a good way to go before one format triumphs.
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10. May 2007 @ 12:35 |
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Blueray will be better in audio and video in the next coming week. Since it has just been announce that the newer blueray movies will use a double layer bd disc instead of a single layer. This means that it will take over 25 gigs of space per a movie, while a HD-DVD can only store 30 gigs (dual layer).
Doesnt mean anything about video or audio quality.
The differences between HD-DVD and Bluray are more based on the codecs used vs disk space. Well and how well the transfer was, just look at the fifth element on bluray, its really bad, becasue it was a rushed transfer.
Vc-1 vs MPEG4 should be the true title of this thread. Sure, Bluray has some VC-1 encodes (Warner movies) and they look on par with HD-DVD. But the majority of MPEG4 encodes look very subpar when compared to a VC-1 encode. VC-1 requires way less headroom than MPEG4, so space is not an issue.
Were space does become an issue is on Bluray. They need all that extra space to get comparable quality. Why you ask.
Bluray has been encoding using MPEG4, same codec as DVD.
Bluray disks contain lossless PCM tracks which are huge space hogs when compared to HD-DVD DD+ and TrueHD tracks.
Space has no effect on HD-DVD unless its used as a PC optical media for storage.
Dont take this post the wrong way, Bluray has some excellent encodes, Casnio Royal is reference quality. And look amazing on both my SXRD, and my XBR3. But i still cant blind buy Bluray like i can HD-DVD (Well with some excpetings like FMJ) .
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Adamontar
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31. May 2007 @ 22:53 |
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You have to remember also its not just the quality that will decide which format is better.
You may have a Blu-ray player but you want to buy that particular movie or tv series but its only available on HD-DVD or visa versa. also many movies available on normal dvds, will never be on Blu-ray or HD-DVD. The best way is to buy both Blu-ray and HD-DVD players if you want to watch as many movies on full HD.
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26. June 2007 @ 15:11 |
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Just when I was getting comfortable building my DVD collection, I see that these HD movies will be the future and DVD will be the old VHS. My favorite movie is the Matrix and now sometime in the future we will all have to covert to HD and pay more for the same movie. Matirx trilogy HD DVD is 64$ and the Matrix Trilogy on DVD is 34$. Everyone will be forced to replace their old 720 x 480 with the new 1920 X 1080. After all, who wants to watch a "low res" dvd when you can watch it more clearly in HD DVD.
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4. July 2007 @ 14:34 |
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Originally posted by c1c:
Just when I was getting comfortable building my DVD collection, I see that these HD movies will be the future and DVD will be the old VHS. My favorite movie is the Matrix and now sometime in the future we will all have to covert to HD and pay more for the same movie. Matirx trilogy HD DVD is 64$ and the Matrix Trilogy on DVD is 34$. Everyone will be forced to replace their old 720 x 480 with the new 1920 X 1080. After all, who wants to watch a "low res" dvd when you can watch it more clearly in HD DVD.
The HD-DVD of the Matrix Trilogy is an amazing transfer. I use reloaded as my demo disk now.
Judging current releases, HD-DVD quality has been much better than Blu-ray. Coming to America is by far better on HD-DVD. Even review sites have noticed this. This is a pure Video comparison becasue of the nature of the movie. The Blu-ray version doesnt pop like the HD-DVD version. And it should be noted that Sony did the encode for Blu-ray and Paramount did the encode for HD-DVD. The Blu-ray also contains much more noise than its HD-DVD counterpart.
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error5
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4. July 2007 @ 16:54 |
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4. July 2007 @ 23:29 |
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End of the day until the price comes down for the players no one is going to adopt either format unless you?ve got money to throw away £250+ just for the player come on get real
I?ve got a 42 inch lcd TV watching a DVD looks good to me so paying that much more for a player for so called better resolution I don?t care how good they say it is isn?t happening with my hard worked for money plus the missus would go mad she isn?t nice when she?s got one on her
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6. July 2007 @ 05:27 |
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[quote]Judging current releases, HD-DVD quality has been much better than Blu-ray.
Most review sites especially highdefdigest.com will disagree with this statement.
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from the examples...i looked at 2 of them and HD DVD got better overall score...they had the same video/audio score though
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error5
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6. July 2007 @ 05:42 |
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they had the same video/audio score though
Exactly my point. Except for a few titles, most new dual format releases have the same video quality scores.
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asianm
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6. July 2007 @ 22:15 |
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BLURAY will be ok.
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10. July 2007 @ 09:38 |
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[quote]they had the same video/audio score though
Exactly my point. Except for a few titles, most new dual format releases have the same video quality scores.[/quote]I was commenting on "Current Releases" . The MI movies are not current, niether is happy feet.
The 2 current titles i compared were coming to america and trading places. I used a Elite 360 with the addon and a PS3 for Blu-ray. My reference TVS are a XBR3 (properly calibrated by a local hometheater company) and a Grand Wega SXRD (Also calibrated). Coming to America was much better on HD-DVD, it is quite noticable. Trading places also looked marginally better, not the quality difference as coming to america, but it is noticable. It could also be the codec used (AVC vs VC-1) . Ill admit, that i can be a little codec Biased, ;) .
When i make my last post, Coming to America and Trading spaces were my new movies from Amazon. I still have yet to recieve the untouchables from Amazon, so i cannot comment. And Highdef digest doesnt disagree with me at all, and have even commented on such releases as coming to america.
Also notice im posting in a thread, were Blu-ray is being touted as better, when it clearly isnt. And most titles should be the same, companies such as warner have used the exact same encode for each movie, the format meduim will not make the quality better or worse.
But, there are many movies on both formats, where the HD-DVD version has been given that extra care and hence looks better. I know im splitting hairs here, but when it coming to me buying either a HD-DVD encoded by paramount vs the BD encoded by Sony, theres no question, im buying the HD-DVD. IMHO.
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11. July 2007 @ 05:50 |
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This release on HD-DVD has the lowest picture quality score I've ever seen in a while on either format - only 1.5 stars:
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/weddingdate.html
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The image was so grainy, noisy and jittery that for the first few minutes I thought I had a defective disc or something. This is easily one of the weakest major studio new releases I've yet seen on either HD DVD or Blu-ray.
I haven't seen horizontal jitter and edge enhancement this noticeable on a high-def release on the 500-plus next-gen titles I've reviewed. There is also plenty of obvious noise throughout, and even some dirt. Blech.
'The Wedding Date' is a date for high-def disaster.
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13. July 2007 @ 08:31 |
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OK folks there should be no difference in Video or Sound from either format. On paper, as far as movies, they can do the same tricks. The issue is that everything on paper doesn't make it to the real world (and I'm not going to talk about Film to Digital transfers as this a problem with a Film Studios Telecine process and/or practices not any particular format). Toshiba has made the best effort by anticipating what the studios will need to make use of all the new interactive features that are now possible (ie. a minimum high standard for memory and CPU power, Ethernet ports on all players, and support for advanced audio codecs all from the beginning!)
Sony is just now understanding what a mistake they had made with there light hardware standards. Sure it made it easy for more manufactures ("supporters") to get behind it but they can only port over better looking DVDs with the same special features. I don't know if y'all remember the whole more space = more special interactive features argument a while back? What does all that mean if it isn't possible to create special interactive features that work on a majority of the players (Blu-Ray). Most Bly-Ray players don't even support BD-J. All HD DVD players support iHD.
Blu-Ray just doesn't have the same tricks as HD DVD does in the real world. When BD tries to incorporate interactive features their discs take 3-5 minutes to load (i.e. the Pirates movies from Disney).
Examples of movies that are currently unavailable on blu-ray or titles that have interactive features only on the HD DVD release but not on the blu-ray version because of technical difficulties...
Matrix:
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/matrix_ct.html
Batman Begins:
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/batmanbegins.html
The Departed:
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/departed.html
300:
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/300.html
ect...
While the studios have gotten there acts together as far as putting high quality video on Blu-Ray they still short change the Blu-Ray titles in the way of audio. Paramount is the most notorious.
For an older to newer comparison...
Wolrd Trade Center:
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/worldtradecenter.html
Black Snake Moan
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/blacksnakemoan.html
outside of Paramount...
Superman Returns (the largest difference I have seen yet; Dolby Digital vs Dolby TrueHD):
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/supermanreturns.html
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/supermanreturns.html
Happy Feet (same deal as above):
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/happyfeet.html
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/happyfeet.html
Where they are similar they still don't use advanced codecs. Since most of the blu-ray players don't decoded them it doesn't make since to anyway (i.e. M-PCM instead of Dolby TrueHD, DD instead of DD-Plus, ect..) Only Fox is showing BDs any love when it comes to audio but sadly most (if not all) players still don't decoded DTS-HDMA.
On the subject of physical disc strength I can tell you now that BDs are some of the most pathetic discs I've ever worked with. They wear out faster than HD DVDs and many times faster than DVDs. The hard coating doesn't do anything except prolong the inevitable, the disc is is soft and will become unwatchable.
HD-DVD currently has the best hardware and software while blu-ray has the best gimmicks and marketing, period.
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Hi there I set up and install HD TV's every day and I have set up Blu Ray, HD DVD, Playstation 3 and the Xbox HD. While I will admit that the Blu Ray and the HD DVD player are much better that the Playstation 3 and Xbox HDDVD. I have to say that HDDVD looks better, loads faster, has less issues, is easier to operate and all around just better. Some of the things I have heard in the past are that Blu Ray holds more space. Well I am not 100% sure about this but I have heard that this is not technically true I heard that the disc it self holds about the same amount but the software on blu ray actually compresses the information more so it can end up holding more space. Which this in result needs a player that can decompress it better and put more work on the player causing longer load times and if there is a scratch it affects more data. I have also heard and this I am less sure of that on HD DVD you can use the PIP feature to lets say watch the commentary of the director. On HD DVD it just pops up the pip and overlays it over the video. I heard that Blu Ray actually has 2 version of the movie on the disc 1 with no pip and 1 with pip so the extra space on the disc is actually being used by the second copy of the movie. As for the person who commented on Blu ray being the better name which sounds Better Blu Ray or HDDVD. Blu Ray to me sounds like a format that should hold Disney Movies,edited by ddp. While HDDVD is a format for men it sounds powerful so MY HDDVD will kick all your edited by ddp. blu ray players any day.
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22. July 2007 @ 20:56 |
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Is blue ray going to be the Beta vs. VHS: a superior technology that loses?
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Originally posted by mjozzzey:
Is blue ray going to be the Beta vs. VHS: a superior technology that loses?
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BluRay sales don't indicate ANYTHING like that...actually quite the opposite.
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30. July 2007 @ 15:40 |
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Blu-Ray sales?
HD-DVD is looked at as Beta, or the better format that may lose (by some not me).
While Blu-Ray is VHS, or the popular format (again not to me but Sony has one hell of a marketing team).
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