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As of now, has Microsoft banned a flashed Xbox 360?
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Wilund
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4. March 2007 @ 12:39 |
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I've been thinking about flashing my xbox 360 to play burned games. I realize that Microsoft could at anytime ban a softmodded xbox 360, but has anyone actually been banned from xbox live yet? If so, does Microsoft ban the system so that it can never use live again? I guess I just want to know if I'll still be able to use Xbox live, and if i can undo my firmware update if I am banned.
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sdhookah
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4. March 2007 @ 12:47 |
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I haven't heard of anyone being banned from XboxLIVE for using cracked firmware, though if they DO ban you you likely wont be able to just undo the firmware update and reconnect (regardless of whether you get a new account). reason for this is that mocrosoft would likely ban you mac address.
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4. March 2007 @ 12:48 |
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yeah but we all know, if you get your console banned, they dont ban the account, so just take your 360 back to walmart and tell them that you got it the night before but you lost the receipt they will gladly exchange it for you
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sourD
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4. March 2007 @ 15:38 |
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With a router you can change your mac address however many times you please, easy work around for a mac address ban.
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sdhookah
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5. March 2007 @ 12:58 |
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Originally posted by sourD:
With a router you can change your mac address however many times you please, easy work around for a mac address ban.
i think you might be mistaken. a router can change your local IP (which would do nothing even if they banned only your IP), but your mac address is something that is tied into the nic of your 360. think of it like a network serial number. it's not something your router has any control over (to my knowledge)
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dsdavis6
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5. March 2007 @ 13:20 |
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from what i know of psp mac addresses it woudnt be that simple its built into the hardware
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reprazent
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5. March 2007 @ 17:35 |
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Only thing you can change with a router is the IP.
Each and every machine has it's own unique MAC adress that can't be changed.
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Azrea1
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5. March 2007 @ 17:53 |
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yeah its programed into a rom on the hardware.
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5. March 2007 @ 18:59 |
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I have heard that if you buy a new Network adapter (The Ethernet Jack on the 360) that is will change your MAc address because that is the only place it is tied to! Has anyone else heard this?
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dsdavis6
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5. March 2007 @ 21:53 |
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i doubt it because then it would be the same if u used a new ethernet cable and im sure microsoft would have thought about this cheap way around mac address changes... this is just a guess not a facct
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NextLevl
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6. March 2007 @ 03:24 |
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Some of you are pushing completely false info..
mac addresses CAN be changed, hardware varying of course..
If you use the ethernet plugin on the 360, you have 1 mac address, if you use a wireless usb plugin, it would have a diffrent one.
Therefore if they banned the mac of the actual unit, chances are you can use a wireless connection and get around it..
I think they may have a diffrent way of banning though, maybe your serial number inside?
The above way seems to easy..
But as far as I know, they have NOT banned anyone yet for having a softmodded xbox. Time will tell, and I am sure it will be wide spread at once.
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reprazent
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6. March 2007 @ 07:49 |
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You guys seem to be mixing up things, the MAC-adress of your machine is what counts (and that cannot be changed), not of your NIC or wireless hub or somesort.
even if you can change the NIC's mac adress infinitely, your 360 still has got the same MAC adress.
Not much of a workaround if you ask me ;)
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Azrea1
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6. March 2007 @ 08:12 |
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yeah, som of u are mixing up mac address and ip address, ip address can be changed, but macs are burned into the rom on the nic card.
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nazza2310
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15. April 2007 @ 10:56 |
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I am a part of the Xbox Live Server Network (XLSN) and from my knowledge of finding out whether those people who are using it with a chipped/flashed xbox will be banned through MAC address and so far i know that the Xbox Team have found out away so stop people with flashed/chipped xbox's and they are not releasing the update which recognises your firmware which should be on your console and which is on your console and it will automatically do this without your update permission and there will be an automated ban on your address.
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dsdavis6
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15. April 2007 @ 12:20 |
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hmm... is this just an xbox live ban it wont be a complete console disabling?
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sdhookah
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15. April 2007 @ 12:43 |
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It would just ban your mac address from xbox live. they can't release an update to disable the console you paid for.
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15. April 2007 @ 12:44 |
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Originally posted by Domreis:
I have heard that if you buy a new Network adapter (The Ethernet Jack on the 360) that is will change your MAc address because that is the only place it is tied to! Has anyone else heard this?
u got a point
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sdhookah
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15. April 2007 @ 12:54 |
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well, I don't believe the wired network adapter on the 360 is easily swapped, it should be soldered onto the motherboard. The easier solution is to buy a USB wireless adapter and use that to connect.
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15. April 2007 @ 14:28 |
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[quote=Domreis]I have heard that if you buy a new Network adapter (The Ethernet Jack on the 360) that is will change your MAc address because that is the only place it is tied to! Has anyone else heard this?
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u got a point
But it doesn't change the nat of the actual ethernet port that's hardwired to the 360. That is what they ban.
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Rydis
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15. April 2007 @ 17:09 |
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I can see a big problem with this. People get banned, then sell it on ebay and buy a new one while the unsuspecting person can not use their console they bought. Returned to walmart or wherever and they put in back on shelf and person can't get online. This method of banning is not that way to do it.
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fgamer
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15. April 2007 @ 17:43 |
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If Microsoft does ban you they'll ban you by the serial number which is digitally engraved inside the console and CONNOT be changed no matter what you do. Their is no way around Microsoft and their banning techniques, deal with that FACT. The 360 is not a PC which can easily be physically moddified to change it's identity. Theirs no way you can get unbanned unless you buy another 360.
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15. April 2007 @ 18:51 |
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k first u can u calm down!
second with the thing of a new wireless network adapter it can be true if its a mac ban and they ban the mac of ur lan. BUT the wireles network adapter will have a different MAC unless M$ make it so that the network adapter will change its mac to that of the lan on 360 connected to, which is highly unlikely.
if they ban serial it isn't the end of the world. first it is engraved but it isn't like the 360 has a special camera which checks the serial and make sure it isn't counterfit or something then let u on live. IT CHECKS THE SERIAL IN THE MOTHERBOARD firmware or program w.e and all you need is a good vulnerability and u can change the serial number!! the serial number isn't physically "ENGRAVED" so that they can detect it on xbox live and ban u forever like you make it seem.
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sdhookah
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15. April 2007 @ 19:10 |
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Originally posted by fgamer:
If Microsoft does ban you they'll ban you by the serial number which is digitally engraved inside the console and CONNOT be changed no matter what you do. Their is no way around Microsoft and their banning techniques, deal with that FACT. The 360 is not a PC which can easily be physically moddified to change it's identity. Theirs no way you can get unbanned unless you buy another 360.
Wow, you speak as though you know what your talking about but spout nonsense. An interweb first.
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15. April 2007 @ 20:01 |
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Originally posted by fgamer:
If Microsoft does ban you they'll ban you by the serial number which is digitally engraved inside the console and CONNOT be changed no matter what you do. Their is no way around Microsoft and their banning techniques, deal with that FACT. The 360 is not a PC which can easily be physically moddified to change it's identity. Theirs no way you can get unbanned unless you buy another 360.
im gonna guess this person didn't have the mental ability to be able to modify his 360 to play backups so is jealous of others who could. but he or she should be more considerate of others. or this person is a game developer who thinks that we are pirating when we are only making backups. or is just pissed of because of some reason i may never understand.
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janrocks
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15. April 2007 @ 21:07 |
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Microsoft is banning 360 firmware modders
After several months of silence it was more or less accepted that Microsoft wasn?t going to do anything about the firmware hacks that allow Xbox 360s to play backups. Rather surprising, considering the ?inventor? of the hack confirmed in March already that the mods are easily detectable, and the reports that piracy is running rampant in countries like China. It appears that Microsoft is finally taking action against them though, although they may be hitting the wrong persons.
This thread on the official Xbox.com forums was started by Furydog, who posts with a completely empty gamer profile:
I have two xbox 360?s and since Friday October 13 2006 I have not been able to connect with my two 360?s. According to MS customer support my status codes indicate that I have MODDED 360?s which I don?t. I have contacted several different people and I only one person (GreenJohnny) has responded to me but he was not able to assist me. Although, he did confirm that the status codes I received indicate that my systems Mac addresses are banned because their supposedly MODDED.
Xbox Support stating there are status codes that indicate a machine was banned for modding? That?s a new one. To further confirm the story ILBCNU from Xbox Support Staff responds to his post stating they are investigating the issue and apologizing for the problem. No denial or anything, so yep, your modded Xbox 360 is now officially in risk of getting banned from Live or worse.
The fundamental problem with the firmware hack is that it?s a so-called Man in the Middle attack on the system?s security. Imagine a phone call between 2 English speaking people, and you?ve got control over the line in between. By cutting in at the right moments, you can make it appear to one of the participants that the other one is saying something to him, but it?s actually you saying something else and making him believe that it?s a valid response. That?s a simplified explanation of how the hacked firmware works: it lies to the 360 kernel about what the disc is saying about its authenticity. Now imagine if both the speakers on that phone line suspected you were in the middle, and switched to speaking a slightly modified dialect. If you?re still breaking in with the original dialect, it?s easily detectable that you?re trying to fool around. Back to the 360, since Microsoft still has absolute control over disc contents and the kernel code, they can simply change the dialect on both sides and thus detect firmware hacks. If they wish, they can take any action they want upon detection, ranging from the simple Xbox Live ban to even bricking your 360 or disabling it to run any newly released games.
There is something slightly fishy about the report though, being that it says the 360 is banned based on MAC address. Those of us familiar with the OSI model and common network implementations will immediately know this is not true, because MAC addresses are part of the Ethernet protocol and live on Layer 2, and never get routed over the internet. In simple terms: your 360s MAC address is not remotely identifiable. An option could be that the Xbox Live login code sends the MAC address itself to the Live servers to be able to uniquely identify the 360, but that would be plain silly since MAC addresses are known not to be unique: they only need to be unique within their physical subnet. A far more obvious solution on Microsoft?s part would be to use the console serial number for this, which is embedded in the system anyway and truly unique.
Drowning firmware chips in epoxy didn?t stop the modders?
Whatever the details, we can probably consider it a fact that MS is currently acting against modded Xbox 360s, and you should start worrying if you?ve got a firmware replacement in your concave box: the Empire is Striking Back
http://www.ps3news.com/forums/x-box-360-...live-34494.html
Take that any way you want.
I haven't heard of anybody actually running hacked firmware being banned yet, though it's possible they can do so if they want to.
The latest from the "people who know " is here http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?s...0&#entry3960029
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