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As of now, has Microsoft banned a flashed Xbox 360?
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16. April 2007 @ 03:51 |
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wow u keep writing essays like that ur gonna be a scholar.
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fgamer
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16. April 2007 @ 03:59 |
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Originally posted by ha9981:
k first u can u calm down!
second with the thing of a new wireless network adapter it can be true if its a mac ban and they ban the mac of ur lan. BUT the wireles network adapter will have a different MAC unless M$ make it so that the network adapter will change its mac to that of the lan on 360 connected to, which is highly unlikely.
if they ban serial it isn't the end of the world. first it is engraved but it isn't like the 360 has a special camera which checks the serial and make sure it isn't counterfit or something then let u on live. IT CHECKS THE SERIAL IN THE MOTHERBOARD firmware or program w.e and all you need is a good vulnerability and u can change the serial number!! the serial number isn't physically "ENGRAVED" so that they can detect it on xbox live and ban u forever like you make it seem.
You really shouldn't misquote people, I said it is "digitally engraved" which is true...NOT "physically". If Microsoft can blow a efuse on your 360 I'm pretty sure they can easilly see what your serial number is through Xbox Live. Why the heck with Microsoft make a system that they can't controll or collect data from? I do know what I'm talking about, clearly you all don't know what your talking about because it's already been known that Microsoft bans you by you serial number which is why everyone who had a Modded Xbox 1 never went on Xbox live or could get around the banning. To say they ban by just mac address or IP address is just plain stupid and not smart at all, I'm pretty sure they ban in a combination of mac and serial and that's a fact weather you can't get past your stupidity or not.
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jelle2503
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16. April 2007 @ 04:47 |
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yeah right... fake that is
look at the date >_> it's posted in 10-30-2006
loads of people play XBL with modded firmwares nowadays, and there's not been any bans yet.
this nubs who can't connect to xboxlive, need to setup their network connection to connect >_>
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16. April 2007 @ 06:46 |
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fgamer is correct about the Xbox 1 banning method. Well i am not sure about the serial number type. But what they do ban is your EEPROM file which is unique to each Xbox console. So getting on live again would take buying an unbanned EEPROM file and reworking your console to use it rather than the one that was banned. So if they ban your 360 it will be in a similar way, banning something unique to each actual console, and having nothing to do with IP addresses or MAC addresses that people can find their way around very easily.
And anyone who thinks that Microsoft can not find a way, or has not already found a way, to detect the mods is just insane. The day will eventually come, most people predict about the time Halo 3 hits the shelves and people start playing that. To be honest i am not updating my console when they come out for at least a week. I can do without live for that amount of time. I will just sit back and wait to see what it does to everyone else before i do the updates myself.
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raysuave
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16. April 2007 @ 09:25 |
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Originally posted by steimy:
I will just sit back and wait to see what it does to everyone else before i do the updates myself.
Yep, that's my plan also. I think MS is waiting for a certain to start the bans. I say this because nothing happened to the people who were playing Gears of War and crackdown way before the release date. You would think peoples XBL accounts would get terminated due to people playing these early releases on live and getting achievements, but nothing happened at all. I think they are waiting to hit the modders where it hurts and ban them as soon as Halo 3 comes out, and people will be forced to buy a new console, the elite??, to play the new Halo.
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jelle2503
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16. April 2007 @ 12:21 |
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You would think peoples XBL accounts would get terminated due to people playing these early releases on live and getting achievements, but nothing happened at all.
surely they expect games to be played before release date.. there's loads of people that officially get to play these games way before release date, just to make a game-review for a nationwide good game show or anything likewise. thats why you can get games for release date, because of a person who had obtained the game this way most likely and decided to rip it and illegally distribute it
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16. April 2007 @ 13:21 |
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raysuave
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16. April 2007 @ 13:45 |
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[quote]You would think peoples XBL accounts would get terminated due to people playing these early releases on live and getting achievements, but nothing happened at all.
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surely they expect games to be played before release date.. there's loads of people that officially get to play these games way before release date, just to make a game-review for a nationwide good game show or anything likewise. thats why you can get games for release date, because of a person who had obtained the game this way most likely and decided to rip it and illegally distribute it
Yep, I understand that but the difference between how many people played unreleleased games before the mods and the amount of people playing unreleased games after the mods should stick out like a sore thumb and raise tons of flags at MS.
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sdhookah
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18. April 2007 @ 16:46 |
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I'm pretty sure they ban in a combination of mac and serial and that's a fact
haha, I love it. most people at least wait to finish their sentence before they contradict themselves.
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Kblake
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19. April 2007 @ 07:56 |
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Im still a newbie to the mod scene, but my 2 cents is that when Halo 3 comes out or around that time, if M$ hasn't made any bans by then.. it would be hard to think they ever will. Im with a couple of the other guys or gals that are going to sit back when the next big update comes out and just watch. Heck, I only play Live maybe at most 12 hours total a week anyways, I wont miss anything.
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19. April 2007 @ 08:40 |
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Most people spend more $ on games than the price of the console. Quit B!tchin sell the games and enjoy your modded console. If they start banning people, which I HIGHLY DOUBT, by a core swap the hdd and you can still play your modded games offline. You people need to decide if you want to regret spending $1500 on games in the long run or take a chance and use your money for something better:) Mod your xbox, and enjoy it. If you get banned, big sh!t.
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Rydis
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19. April 2007 @ 13:26 |
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Oh, I think they will ban a few people. Nothing big, just enough to make people think they can get banned and scare then from doing it. But nothing major.
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19. April 2007 @ 13:59 |
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If you are going through a router the mac it sees is your routers mac you can easily change that in your router settings
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19. April 2007 @ 17:19 |
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Is there a way that MS can check the firmware on the DVD rom ?
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sdhookah
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19. April 2007 @ 17:21 |
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If you are going through a router the mac it sees is your routers mac you can easily change that in your router settings
your router has no control over the 360's nor the routers mac address.
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19. April 2007 @ 18:38 |
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19. April 2007 @ 18:42 |
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change (spoof) your mac address
"spoof" which won't work. its just like spoofing ur ip. useless.
edit: the quote is from the website you linked
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dakillz
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18. May 2007 @ 06:54 |
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First things first, mac addresses of things can be spoofed, changed even. For example a lot of routers offer mac spoofing, as this is due to some internet providers only allowing modems with a certain mac address to connect (eg the ones who provide a free modem and dont want you to use another one).
2nd the mac address is not hardcoded into devices - this would prove to be a very expensive manufacturing process and is as with everything a firmware thing, usually when you update the firmwares on things the update reads the serial numbers, mac codes etc.. from the device it is updating and incorporates them into the new firmware, or only updates certain memory blocks avoiding changing these numbers altogether. If you do a firmware update on a router and turn the power off during the process, the router won't even have a mac address because it will have been deleted, and not rewritten. Some older routers even require you to write down the mac address before updating and after updating require you to re-enter the info.
3rd EVEN M$ say you can change the mac address, if you goto
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/connecttolive/xbox360/connectionmethods/webconnectivitywizard.htm and put unlisted cable provider, and unlisted cable modem, it will give an option about changing mac address.
this gives the instructions:
Hardware Instructions:
1. Before you connect any cables, make sure there is no disc in the disc tray of your console.
2. Turn the console off, then turn off your modem and disconnect the modem from its power source.
3. Connect one end of the Ethernet cable to the Ethernet port on the back of your console.
4. Connect the other end of the Ethernet cable to the LAN port on your modem. Your modem's LAN port may be labeled LAN, Ethernet, or with a number. Do not connect the cable to the port labeled WAN.
5. Turn on your console.
6. Wait 30 seconds and turn on your modem.
Xbox 360 Software Instructions:
7. In the System area of the Xbox dashboard, select Network Settings.
8. Select Edit Settings.
9. Select the Additional Settings tab, and then select Advanced Settings.
10. Select Alternate MAC Address.
11. Enter the MAC address you'd like your Xbox 360 console to imitate (for example, your computer's MAC address) and select Done.
12. In Advanced Settings, select Done.
13. When prompted, select Test Xbox Live.
but again this is just spoofing the address, some sort of firmware update would need to be made to actually change it on the xbox.
I don't know if M$ can read past the mac address of the router/modem/pc to get the xbox mac address, and hence if changing your routers mac address works, im not banned and am not going online till a solution is available to find out.
If it isn't mac address' blocking the consoles then it must be done by serial numbers. I know that some mobile phones (eg samsung d500) can have there serial numbers changed through a special service cable
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Just another thing, when updating the firmware on samsung drives (dunno about the hitachi ones), you have to extract the key that marries the drive to the console from the drive and use that in the new firmware, maybe it's that key that is blocked.
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Richy1976
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18. May 2007 @ 09:00 |
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I have heard that microsoft can crash xbox360s for hacked firmware throught there updates & i have also heard that there is not a thing that you can do about it because they have a right to protect there hardware\software from copyright theft.
they are not my comments just something i have read somewhere.
And there is no chance i'm putting my console on-line.
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18. May 2007 @ 09:33 |
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they cannot do anything to the xbox as the machine is yours, it is not illegal to modify it, but the act of playing non-legit copies is illegal, and when you purchased the xbox, you legally purchased a copy of the dashboard os. as with windows if you have an illegal key/copy they can stop windows working etc, but they cannot stop your pc from working. If it was illegal to modify things then cars would all have to stay stock etc...
this is why they cannot ban your xboxlive account and just ban the machine, because as live goes you have done nothing illegal - ie terms for going online and playing, but they can use the service to stop/hinder you, they would also have to make a link between your xbox (via serial number or other means) and your gamertag. when intel wanted to have identification tags on the Pentium 2 cpu's making them traceable and see-ing what operating system you had, then privacy laws kicked in and banned it.
when you install windows media player or messenger live on a pc, you get asked if you want to join the customer improvement program and voluntarily send info to them about your machine. They cannot just pry and see what you're doing.
other issue is you are legally allowed to back up games as long as you have the orignal - microsoft have tried to get round this tho by saying they will offer a disc replacement service, where you send off the damaged/non-working disc with proof of purchase and they will replace it (whether its a chargeable service or not i don't know)
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18. May 2007 @ 09:53 |
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Originally posted by fgamer:
If Microsoft does ban you they'll ban you by the serial number which is digitally engraved inside the console and CONNOT be changed no matter what you do. Their is no way around Microsoft and their banning techniques, deal with that FACT. The 360 is not a PC which can easily be physically moddified to change it's identity. Theirs no way you can get unbanned unless you buy another 360.
For all those that disagreed with what I said on April 15 2007, you can now officially feel stupid. Just as I said "they will ban by serial number" which is basically the 360's unique ID.
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sdhookah
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18. May 2007 @ 09:57 |
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a mac address is a unique ID too...
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dakillz
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18. May 2007 @ 09:59 |
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Originally posted by fgamer:
If Microsoft does ban you they'll ban you by the serial number which is digitally engraved inside the console and CONNOT be changed no matter what you do. Their is no way around Microsoft and their banning techniques, deal with that FACT. The 360 is not a PC which can easily be physically moddified to change it's identity. Theirs no way you can get unbanned unless you buy another 360.
For all those that disagreed with what I said on April 15 2007, you can now officially feel stupid. Just as I said "they will ban by serial number" which is basically the 360's unique ID.
lol, it's all been done before and discussed before with xbox 1, so you CONNOT think yourself too clever
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18. May 2007 @ 12:00 |
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Originally posted by fgamer:
If Microsoft does ban you they'll ban you by the serial number which is digitally engraved inside the console and CONNOT be changed no matter what you do. Their is no way around Microsoft and their banning techniques, deal with that FACT. The 360 is not a PC which can easily be physically moddified to change it's identity. Theirs no way you can get unbanned unless you buy another 360.
For all those that disagreed with what I said on April 15 2007, you can now officially feel stupid. Just as I said "they will ban by serial number" which is basically the 360's unique ID.
idiot, people know that what people are saying is it is possible to CHANGE it!!! its not engraved!! anything digital can be altered!
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19. May 2007 @ 10:33 |
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[quote]Originally posted by fgamer:
If Microsoft does ban you they'll ban you by the serial number which is digitally engraved inside the console and CONNOT be changed no matter what you do. Their is no way around Microsoft and their banning techniques, deal with that FACT. The 360 is not a PC which can easily be physically moddified to change it's identity. Theirs no way you can get unbanned unless you buy another 360.
For all those that disagreed with what I said on April 15 2007, you can now officially feel stupid. Just as I said "they will ban by serial number" which is basically the 360's unique ID.
idiot, people know that what people are saying is it is possible to CHANGE it!!! its not engraved!! anything digital can be altered![/quote] You can't change it, so stop giving out false info. Of course Microsoft can change it but me, you or any other 360 gamer for that matter will NOT be able to change it. So clearly your misreading or misunderstanding my comments just like the others that have posted their idiotic comments in disagreement with me.
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