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Sharpie vs. Sticky Labels
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peart2112
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13. March 2007 @ 17:54 |
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I've burned quite a few discs & have applied sticky labels to the discs. I'm starting to have problems with these discs now. (Skipping, freezing, etc).
So, I'm wondering if I write on the discs with a Sharpie instead, if the weight of the ink will possibly make discs freeze too in my stand alone player (I'm not sure how sensitive they are).
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13. March 2007 @ 18:47 |
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Use the sharpies and get those labels off your DVDs. You are already aware they will distroy them. Search the forums and look for the ways to remove them. Someone may come along to show you how. Sharpies won't harm the DVDs just don't press too hard.
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13. March 2007 @ 21:54 |
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pert2112,
what type of blank discs are u using? i'll take a guess............MEMOREX? or MAXELL? am i right?
it's not the lables, it's the cheap discs you're using. buy some taiyo yudens, or verbatims, and you won't have a problem down the road. cheap media degrades in about 1 year, and won't play back at all over the course of about 3 years. get the good stuff here... http://www.newegg.com or here http://www.shop4tech.com/user.htm
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13. March 2007 @ 22:56 |
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it's not the lables, it's the cheap discs you're using
Nothing was said about the brand of discs used, more than likely the lables......however the discs you mentioned are in fact crappy.
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JoeRyan
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14. March 2007 @ 03:39 |
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If the media in question are DVDs, the labels are causing the problems (probably radial tilt due to paper shrinkage and expansion). Paper labels on DVD media--ALL DVD media including Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim--will cause the same problem. The same thing does not happen with CD-Rs because of the different construction and the larger track and pit sizes.
The comments on Maxell and Memorex have nothing to do with the problem, and the information about those brands is inaccurate.
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14. March 2007 @ 04:25 |
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The comments on Maxell and Memorex have nothing to do with the problem, and the information about those brands is inaccurate.
I won't even comment on that one because I just don't have the energy, but I am sure someone is going to jump all over that incorrect statement
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th49
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14. March 2007 @ 08:14 |
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I've been down the same road you are on it's the labels i switched to a printer that prints labels on DVDs and have not had any problems i've never had any problems with a sharpie but i always use Ridata discs
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14. March 2007 @ 08:47 |
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@ bbmayo,
No jumping here, as i have been down that road as have many other AD members too.
Joe likes the technical side and not the experience side of it.
"When I look at the smiles on all the childrens faces, I just know theyre about to jab me with something."- Homer Simpson This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 14. March 2007 @ 08:48
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14. March 2007 @ 09:05 |
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Originally posted by 300bowler:
@ bbmayo,
No jumping here, as i have been down that road as have many other AD members too.
Joe likes the technical side and not the experience side of it.
Yeah there are a bunch of those around here isn't there? ;-)
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14. March 2007 @ 12:38 |
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I think he may work for them!!
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JoeRyan
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14. March 2007 @ 12:54 |
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Experience tells us the earth is flat and the sun moves around us. Logic tells us that if there is more than one explanation for any cause, one cannot draw a valid conclusion until all causes but one can be eliminated. A valid conclusion is considered factual in scientific terms. All other judgments are opinions. They remain opinions until they can be logically, factually proven or disproved.
In pear2112's case, it is a fact that all paper-based adhesive labels physically distort DVD discs. Laying the blame on the discs themselves is incorrect. The other comments on the brands are opinions and irrelevant to the problem.
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14. March 2007 @ 13:26 |
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I think he may work for them!!
or a stockholder at the very least :-o
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Artimus2
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14. March 2007 @ 18:39 |
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[quote]The comments on Maxell and Memorex have nothing to do with the problem, and the information about those brands is inaccurate.
I'll add me experience as of late with those great Memorex media.
I have 2 lite-on burners that are only a few months old - one lightScribe. I purchased two 20 count of those great MEMOREX lightScribe DVD+R 16X 4.7.
Of the 20, 15 were trash,3 did burn and 2 I didn't even bother with.Lowered the speed to 8,then 4 and nothing but coasters. Didn't open the 2nd pack.
I e-mailed Memorex and told them the problem.I also offered to mail them 10 of their coasters I had on my desk.
They sent me a pack of 20..free. I opened the pack, used two and got two more coasters.
My opinion, Memorex media are trash.
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vlc648
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14. March 2007 @ 19:24 |
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Originally posted by garmoon:
Use the sharpies and get those labels off your DVDs. You are already aware they will distroy them. Search the forums and look for the ways to remove them. Someone may come along to show you how. Sharpies won't harm the DVDs just don't press too hard.
What is the problem if you press hard? Not that I've been doing it but I've just never heard of that being a problem before.
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goosa23
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14. March 2007 @ 20:02 |
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hey peart2112,
i've had the same problem before and had to make copies of dvds already with labels on them. taking them off is a pain in the ass but if you have the patience go for it. sharpies are fine but don't look as nice unless you have good penmanship (not sure on the spelling). try using hub labels. i get them from www.labelgear.com. i've been using them for years and still haven't had a problem, at least not from the hub labels.
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15. March 2007 @ 00:19 |
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I assume it's for the same reason you're not supposed to use a ball point pen. Some cheap DVDs I've seen, seem to have a soft layer on top, easily scraped off?
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JoeRyan
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15. March 2007 @ 06:24 |
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Artimus,
Well said. Your "opinion" is that Memorex media are trash. If you had sent them the model of your drive and its firmware version as well as the MID code of the discs, they might have told you that the discs are not compatible and have send you versions that are compatible--unless a firmware update could have resolved the problem. Replacing incompatible discs with more incompatible discs will--surprise!--not improve matters. This is a problem with many technical support groups. They should have asked for more details to find out why the discs did not work with your drive.
From the details it is not possible to determine whether or not the media are "trash," but the quality of the support was certainly not good.
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Artimus2
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15. March 2007 @ 07:26 |
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Originally posted by JoeRyan:
Artimus,
Well said. Your "opinion" is that Memorex media are trash. If you had sent them the model of your drive and its firmware version as well as the MID code of the discs, they might have told you that the discs are not compatible and have send you versions that are compatible--unless a firmware update could have resolved the problem. Replacing incompatible discs with more incompatible discs will--surprise!--not improve matters. This is a problem with many technical support groups. They should have asked for more details to find out why the discs did not work with your drive.
From the details it is not possible to determine whether or not the media are "trash," but the quality of the support was certainly not good.
They didn't ask me anything-not one question. Just sent me a 20 pack.
When they wouldn't burn and the message was "probably bad media" I'd put in Fuji,HP and even Maxwell and there was no problem burning the backup.
So I'm stuck with 38 Memorex LightScribe discs.
This is a lesson learned, I'll never buy Memorex...anything again.
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15. March 2007 @ 07:49 |
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well as far as the stickers not affecting TY's or verbs. i have about 60 movies that have them stickers on them all of them are either 8x+r or 16x+r verbs i know for a fact 24 of them skip and freeze and have pixles in them. granted i did this when i first started burning just over a year ago and i didnt know any better. so i dont agree with it depends on the media if the sticker affect it.
keep up the Fight JoeRyan...lol dont agree with somethings ya say but what you do say is logical and i myself do listen to logic.
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15. March 2007 @ 13:11 |
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@cincyrob
Playing both side of the fence.Huh! How many Memorexes are you going to buy! I think I know! LMAO
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15. March 2007 @ 13:20 |
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lmao..... i havent bought any memorex disc but have had some given to my by my dad. 8x-r's had 25 of them. burned all 25 of them and only 2 coasters.... dont know if they will play this time next year but they still do as of right now....i have a good stock pile of 16x+r verbs. and working on getting a good inventory of 8x+r hubprintable TY's. so i dont see any memorex purchases in the next 40 years or so...but like i said what Joe has to say is pretty interesting. i just dont know where theses drives are that are compatible with the CMC mag stuff. what brand, model, price range...
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16. March 2007 @ 04:32 |
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Me thinks JoeRyan has stock in CMC mag? He has been posting these statement all over the forum lately. Even though his statements are logical and sound good the fact of the matter is CMC manufatured DVD's are inferior to TY or MMC it has been proven over and over and time and again here on AD alone for the last 3 years at least. So go ahead and use your Merosux disc if you must, but don't come back here in year crying about they won't play anymore and you can't figure out why. I am still replacing disc's I backed up several years ago when I used memorex because they just wont play anymore. Any other disc I used during that time still play perfectly fine and I used some cheapo discs back then until I got some sense knocked into me ;-) Now I only use TY or Verbatim (mostly Verbatim because of light scribe) Anyone can do a test on all of these disks and see which is better just use a tool like Nero's CD/DVD speed test. You will be amazed at the difference in results with each different manufacturers discs. My TY's have always tested the best with MMC discs not far behind.
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JoeRyan
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16. March 2007 @ 04:50 |
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A few comments:
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"fact of the matter is CMC manufatured (sic) DVD's are inferior to TY or MMC it has been proven over and over and time and again here on AD alone for the last 3 years at least."
I have not seen any test results. That means that there is no proof, merely anecdotal claims, almost all of which can be cleared up as incompatibility issues when the posts include the drive model and firmware version being used.
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"Anyone can do a test on all of these disks and see which is better just use a tool like Nero's CD/DVD speed test."
These scans test the read quality from a disc on the drive. That read quality is determined by: 1) the quality of the read drive; 2) the quality of the write drive; 3) the quality of the medium; 4) the quality of the recording determined by the compatibility of the disc/drive; 5) the condition of the read and write drives and the disc; 6) the recording software; and 7) the computer settings. With all these factors is is very difficult if not impossible to determine the quality of the disc. If the recording drive is incompatible with the disc, it is IMPOSSIBLE to determine the quality of the disc. The tools used to determine disc quality are far too expensive for consumers to purchase. Scans are useful to determine the quality of the recordings, but to say that one can assign the cause of a poor result strictly to the quality of the medium under test is inaccurate and misleading.
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16. March 2007 @ 05:41 |
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These scans test the read quality from a disc on the drive. That read quality is determined by: 1) the quality of the read drive; 2) the quality of the write drive; 3) the quality of the medium; 4) the quality of the recording determined by the compatibility of the disc/drive; 5) the condition of the read and write drives and the disc; 6) the recording software; and 7) the computer settings. With all these factors is is very difficult if not impossible to determine the quality of the disc. If the recording drive is incompatible with the disc, it is IMPOSSIBLE to determine the quality of the disc. The tools used to determine disc quality are far too expensive for consumers to purchase. Scans are useful to determine the quality of the recordings, but to say that one can assign the cause of a poor result strictly to the quality of the medium under test is inaccurate and misleading.
Are you kidding me! You are totally unreal here. With all of the above being exactly the same. Computer settings, Drive used to record, same movie being backed up, and the software used with the only differance being the manufacturer of the blank DVD media you will see a huge difference. Have you tested any of what you are saying or are you just using your own theory? I have for one have done this test several times and the results will amaze you. I guess I need to swing by Wal-Mart on my way home and pick up a couple of memorsux disc to prove my point. I will post the results here later tonight of scans done on exactly the same computer, drive and software with the only difference being the media.
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16. March 2007 @ 05:42 |
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So you are saying that cmc-mag disks are incompatable with every burner on the market, whereas ty's and verbatims, ritek or whoever are not.
It seems to me that there is some wool pulling going on here. What is great about inconpatable media, sounds like an excuse for rubbish quality, as IF they were a quality manufacturer they would make compatable disks..... Other quality companies don't have any problem with this.. only the "cheapo" makers..
Proven time and time again cmc-mag disks are next to useless. Whether by compatability problems or just poor quality it matters not.. they are unsuitable for purpose and should be avoided.
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