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:D reasoning :D pirates :D flashed versions :D backups :D) good customer :D

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Originally posted by itrytomod:

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I was thinkin about modding mine but now that i found thi i dont no

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Funny thing abotu live you pay for it they should make it if you are caught chaetings that s instant goodbye but if you are caught with a modded system thats a "renewed subscription" :X

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[quote=koolcat]im sory but im sick of hearing everyone bash ppl with modded systems. the only reason most of u didnt mod is cuz ur a tard and cant follow directions. o well ppl got ban'd have fun playing on live with less ppl. and for cheating how the fuck do ppl cheat? did they rehack the game and put in there own cheats i dont think so. o they cheated cuz they have a cloned copy of the game WOW. boo fucking hoo get over u lil piss ants

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Originally posted by svtstang:

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That isnt here or there though. Microsoft did this purely as an attempt to stop piracy. I know some legitamite modders in the 360 scene, they dont report people cheating like on the xbox. M$ did this purely because they are losing the battle against piracy. The ironic thing is that all these "pirates" are paying to use the service, now they arnt allowed to use what they rightfully paid for! Good job M$, you are as retarded as I have always thought.

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if a modded console is in no way able to give a player an unfair advantage then honestly do you really think anyone would give a toss if your console was modded or not.

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Did i call you a retard? Are you a M$ exec? Since the answer to those are no, id slow your pace down and not take shots at me. Your post was all over the place, sorry if I dont have the wit to keep up with your highly developed "intellect".

if a modded console is in no way able to give a player an unfair advantage then honestly do you really think anyone would give a toss if your console was modded or not.

Yes!!! The f**king company who just banned thousands of legitimate accounts! In the hands of a nerd with 0 life, yes it is possible to cheat. Is this the reason for the bans? Sh!t no! You are naive to think that M$ did this to keep an even playing field, they did this to punish people who have every right in this damn world to mod the $500 piece of hardware they bought to their liking.

You think it was a smart business decision to suspend the accounts of thousands of people because they have a modified system? "Hey Bill, our games suck a$$ and are overpriced, people are modding their systems to preserve their investment. Why dont we ban them from live after we get their $50 to use Live and not let them dl all the goodies from Live Arcade? This will be a hit! The value of our common stock will increase!" RETARDED!

BTW I understand how intellectual property as well as copyright work...thanks for the brilliant synopsis on it though......*winks*

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the way i'm read'n it says the handle is not banned therefore transfer of handle to a non modded console will mean no new subs is necessary ???

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Alright we are on the same page then, there is no logical reason for a discussion about video games to get ugly! Im only here to offer my opinion as well as help when needed, no need to make enemies.



To begin with, this has nothing to do with you or your opinion. My opinion is this: why should a person who threw down the $400-500 to buy the console, then have to deal with being banned for modding the system they own because they decided to mod the system for whatever reason they modded it for? Lets get things clear, just because someone flashed their drive or installed a chip does not mean they get everything for free. Of course there are pirates out their, but Live is a different story. People pay a yearly fee regardless if their console is modded, and pay more $$$$$ to get old school game from Live Arcade. Why alienate these consumers due to their decision to mod their console? That is just ridiculous. Regardless of if a consumer is using a modded console or not, they are still 100% legitamitly paying for the Live service and spending more cash on Arcade games, what is the benefit of banning them? Ya ya I know piracy is bad, but the same pirates are responsible for boosting M$'s numbers via paying for the Live service. Modded or not, a poor decision on the part of M$. Nobody in their right mind will purchase another system just to play against some dude name Arvin across the world.

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Originally posted by TurkReno:

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This is the only thing I'm going to say. The rest, you guys can whine all you want.

1. Microsoft XBox Live Security Team did this for Piracy and for Exploitation.

2. The reprocussions of these mod'd 360's are clearly your own fault. Its in the EULA and the "Shrinkwrap Agreement" you signed up with on XBox Live to not reverse engineer, modify, blah blah blah, anything.

3. With as much console exploitation as I've done, and as much gaming hacks that I've worked on, this is minor. There are other networks where people already go with mod'd 360's anyway, so stop whining.

4. To the remark that has "Children" and "Modchips" in the same statement, you need to think twice. How many kids do you think are capable of using a soldering iron correctly, much less not defacing a CPU? Few. That's all on that.

5. Let them stay off XBox Live. They signed up for it, they got what they paid for, they broke the rules, such is life.

-TurkReno

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OK....what about countries that are LEGALLY allowed to install-modify their consoles,either flash or modchip,think about it,if flashing your drive is illegal in your country,what do you think M$ do every time they do a drive repair??.i don't use XBL,but IMO i think M$ have shot themselves in the foot,and stand to lose big $$$ and heaps of account closedowns,and not by M$,but by the customer,where i am,modifying our consoles is completely legal,and we are allowed one back up of our legally owned game,not all are cheaters,pirates.

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[quote]OK....what about countries that are LEGALLY allowed to install-modify their consoles,either flash or modchip,think about it,if flashing your drive is illegal in your country,what do you think M$ do every time they do a drive repair??.i don't use XBL,but IMO i think M$ have shot themselves in the foot,and stand to lose big $$$ and heaps of account closedowns,and not by M$,but by the customer,where i am,modifying our consoles is completely legal,and we are allowed one back up of our legally owned game,not all are cheaters,pirates.

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no my warranty isn't void,my warranty has expired :)
"Everyone flashes their drives to play pirated games. Period.

...CRAP...and you can prove this??
and like i said i don't and will never use live,it just doesn't interest me :)
it would be fair enough if M$ can actually catch the cheaters or whom ever they are targeting,but from what i have heard,ummodified 360's are even getting banned,so whats the go there?

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no my warranty isn't void,my warranty has expired :)
"Everyone flashes their drives to play pirated games. Period.

...CRAP...and you can prove this??
and like i said i don't and will never use live,it just doesn't interest me :)
it would be fair enough if M$ can actually catch the cheaters or whom ever they are targeting,but from what i have heard,ummodified 360's are even getting banned,so whats the go there?

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Tho whole point of installing a modchip is for what purpose = play copied games or install those games on an hdd, regardless if you own the game you copied it is still piracy as you are NOT allowed too,as far as i'm concerned i have every intention of backing up my game collection,im stuffed if i'm pay'n for somehing i already bought

As for legit consoles being banned there won't be a prob all that needs to happen is prove the console has'nt been tampered with which should be relativley easy since the sticker won't have been broken

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no my warranty isn't void,my warranty has expired :)well i have informed you,that modchips ARE NOT illegal,where i am from,it ,it is not regarded as piracy here,sure it happens,and is policed,copying of games and SELLING them,thats illegal here.
you state as for unmodded consoles,why has so many people been banned fron live then?there 360's are all legit...
you also say "the whole point of installing a modchip = to played copied games"...sure thats what one of their purposes are,but the other purpose is also to circumvent the xbox or any console,is to be able to play original games from different regions,hence i'm in a PAL region,and NTSC games come out earlier than ours,sometimes months before we get the exact same game in PAL format,sure the 360 may have a majority of region free games,which is good,but there are still a few good ones that arent,and as consumers we have the right to purchase from any where....hence the legality of modchips,M$ and Sony don't like it,but it's our law,Sony took it to court and lost big time....

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no my warranty isn't void,my warranty has expired :)well i have informed you,that modchips ARE NOT illegal,where i am from,it ,it is not regarded as piracy here,sure it happens,and is policed,copying of games and SELLING them,thats illegal here.
you state as for unmodded consoles,why has so many people been banned fron live then?there 360's are all legit...
you also say "the whole point of installing a modchip = to played copied games"...sure thats what one of their purposes are,but the other purpose is also to circumvent the xbox or any console,is to be able to play original games from different regions,hence i'm in a PAL region,and NTSC games come out earlier than ours,sometimes months before we get the exact same game in PAL format,sure the 360 may have a majority of region free games,which is good,but there are still a few good ones that arent,and as consumers we have the right to purchase from any where....hence the legality of modchips,M$ and Sony don't like it,but it's our law,Sony took it to court and lost big time....

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Never said it was illeagal for modchips to be installed where your from ,assuming your quoting me ,the SOB'S tried to have mods bannned here in NZ but failed big time,can't remember whether back ups are allowed or not, most prob not

Granted chips can be used to play offshore games tho would'nt you agree the majority put them in to make & play copies of legit or not games more so than NTSC,apart from the usual linux install and new better interface,i was'nt aware any games were region free go figure

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Never said it was illeagal for modchips to be installed where your from ,assuming your quoting me ,the SOB'S tried to have mods bannned here in NZ but failed big time,can't remember whether back ups are allowed or not, most prob not

Granted chips can be used to play offshore games tho would'nt you agree the majority put them in to make & play copies of legit or not games more so than NTSC,apart from the usual linux install and new better interface,i was'nt aware any games were region free go figure

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[quote]Never said it was illeagal for modchips to be installed where your from ,assuming your quoting me ,the SOB'S tried to have mods bannned here in NZ but failed big time,can't remember whether back ups are allowed or not, most prob not

Granted chips can be used to play offshore games tho would'nt you agree the majority put them in to make & play copies of legit or not games more so than NTSC,apart from the usual linux install and new better interface,i was'nt aware any games were region free go figure

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