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Microsoft sued over scratched Xbox 360 discs
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article published on 10 July, 2007
Yesterday, an unhappy Xbox 360 user filed a class action lawsuit against Microsoft over damage done to his discs by the console. What does the gamer want out of the lawsuit? All his games replaced or "equal monetary compensation" for them.
The gamer claims that the laser in the Xbox 360 caused permanent damage to his retail bought games and that the attached documentation that comes with ... [ read the full article ]
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vinny13
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11. July 2007 @ 20:34 |
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I don't get it? What makes the PS3 "bloated"?
I've been wondering that for some time now :S
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11. July 2007 @ 20:47 |
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Originally posted by vinny13:
I don't get it? What makes the PS3 "bloated"?
I've been wondering that for some time now :S
the architecture and price,while coding has advanced since the days of the Saturn and such its still annoying to do,also the cheap production scheme the PSX and PS2 had made them the holy grail for devs, now the PS3 is a cross between the saturn and the Xbox, its going to retain some of its franchises and have some new ones but for the most part devs like the 360 or the WII more.
If sony talked this problem a bit diffrently,removed all the wireless stuff had the 20GB in it and sold it for 399 there would be no trouble with it,it would have sold like the WII made a strong foundation for blu ray and devs would not be leaving like rats,but hindsight is always 20/20.
the PS3 has lost the brand power the PS2 had main reason price,because of slow sales and the more interesting nature of PS3 coding its just cheaper and faster to build for the WII and even the 360.
If anythign the PS3 will become like the Xbox was a high end but mostly shallow system,the 360 might might be like the GC and the WII is heading to where the PS2 was.
IF it were not for all the 360 issues I could even say it would be where the PS2 was but the issues + lack of Japaneses interest hurts its world wide ranking.
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vinny13
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11. July 2007 @ 20:57 |
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Ya not to many people in the east like American products, made in China or not.
The main reason I want a PS3 is because of what the PS2 had. Fun and popular games. I don't like Micro$oft because I've already have had enough problems with that company, and I like the Wii but I don't like how everything has to do with motion. I know it sounds lazy but what happened to just sitting down and taking a break by playing a fun game? I really like how there's NES games too and all that, but I don't need those because I already have 7 NES consoles alone! I have to say though that the Wii is the most eye catching.
What's your thoughts on the PS3 Home?
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11. July 2007 @ 21:27 |
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you know what fuck you all, I just made an honest point about the sensible treatment of the 360 (e.g. don't move it when its turned on) and I get ridiculed and called a fanboy. I am by no means a fanboy, I don't even own a third-gen console, let alone have a preference for one.
I'm jsut stating the fact that unless the electronic device has specifically said you can move it when in use (e.g. walkman, ipod), you shouldn't move it.
These forums have gone down in quality since I got my first computer and joined in 2005. They are a bunch of idiots shooting off their mouths behind several thousand feet of cable. Many of the original good member have left completely or are inactive. I remember when me and theridges and Janrocks used to be the xbox repair forum people to go too. I miss those days.
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11. July 2007 @ 21:29 |
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Originally posted by vinny13:
Ya not to many people in the east like American products, made in China or not.
The main reason I want a PS3 is because of what the PS2 had. Fun and popular games. I don't like Micro$oft because I've already have had enough problems with that company, and I like the Wii but I don't like how everything has to do with motion. I know it sounds lazy but what happened to just sitting down and taking a break by playing a fun game? I really like how there's NES games too and all that, but I don't need those because I already have 7 NES consoles alone! I have to say though that the Wii is the most eye catching.
What's your thoughts on the PS3 Home?
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Its not bad,altho I prefer a simple menu driven setup for most things (talking to friends,sending messages,browsing and such) it will have some of that 2, its quite a landmark event tho to setup a virtual world thats free to users (last I checked its free) they can tie in all sorts of marketing crap to it to all in all its not bad,its not great either :P
BTW I might be harsh on the PS3,currently its in the position the Xbox was (nata game wise), from how I see things its going to take the PS3 about 3 years from launch to rebuild its base and show its a solid platform for gaming until its repalced in 011-014,the PS3 dose have the power to last 25-50% longer than most consoles even if they have hit a wall on graphics (the PS3 is almost maxed out graphics wise due to the architecture but who cares it looks great) the PS3 may or may not evolve quickly in coding,software advancement can gain 50% in power but it takes years to get to that point,the PS3 dose have potential but its not ripe yet,and wont be worth picking for another year or 2.
I really think if you cant find something else to get put your moeny away for another year,then get 100$ more worth of games with it when you do get it,also they are playing with the chipset to lower cost this might bring up new issues, don't forget the PS2 went through a DRE faze the 360 is teething on it too at a 2X or 3X rate.
Sadly I still think the 360 is about 100$ to much and its doing what the Xbox did "steal PC games" BWC was raped out of it for time or moeny saving,that with the fail rate, I am not interested in it at this time its worth getting but not yet,I can say the same for the PS3 it needs as much "work" on it done to get it to be the system it should have been to start with.
I mean really what is sony thinking , 20 and 60GB units they droped the 20 to go with a 80 liek WTF...your missing the point and wasting production costs on a unit no one need......they should bit the bullet now and get the PS3 to a 400$ level do a model 2 now get the loses out of the way early to sale more units and games.
MS needs to stop screwing around,first off offer 500K units in North America as instant swaps for bad units that have the recite with them(basically setup a exchange program and slot it for abotu 500K people you need to fill a form and need a Ccard or bank account for verification,when the units come in either have them mail the system to them or mail a photo copy of the proof of purchase,then after that you will get a envelop with a prepaid label on it or if you chose advanced RMA a box to send it all back in) , the rest will still be repaired as needed,keep with the consumer friendliness of the warranty setup 3+ years and free repairs and free shipping,the disc issues as I said above,free swaps for premium live users 5$ fee for free live users and a 10$ fee for everyone else,do it now incur the losses early on regain your rep polish the brand in the end its win win for all.
BTW Vista is a nightmare from beyond I will not buy vista,but I might use it ^_~.
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11. July 2007 @ 21:32 |
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so MS is not to be blamed for it eating discs,when its not moving?
there is a issue with it,be it bad user or bad drive or bad disc,free swaps for premium live users 5$ fee for free live users and a 10$ fee for everyone else, this is not so bad and could help relive the worry of those that back up their games,because its cheap or free to have them replaced it will only add to MSs reputation.
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11. July 2007 @ 22:00 |
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What I am saying is that this guy is complaining about his disks being destroyed because of his moving of the console and it should'nt be common sense not to move the console when it is in operation, kind of like how I don't push my computer over when it is turned on, even though it has never been implicitly stated that I shouldn't do so.
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vinny13
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12. July 2007 @ 08:07 |
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Originally posted by thekingo7:
What I am saying is that this guy is complaining about his disks being destroyed because of his moving of the console and it should'nt be common sense not to move the console when it is in operation, kind of like how I don't push my computer over when it is turned on, even though it has never been implicitly stated that I shouldn't do so.
It destroys discs when it's not moving too. My friend was playing Gears of War one day and the laser burned a deep black ring around the disc. Everything still worked on the game except the campain lol
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12. July 2007 @ 11:05 |
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The lawsuit also states that damage can occur while the console is stationery.
I call B.S. on that. I'm on my second 360, and I've yet to see one game get scratched by either of them.
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Wouldnt this guy be better off to just use the money he would otherwise be using on all sorts of legal fees, and replace his games. Or hell he could even just take his games down to the local video store and get them resurfaced for less than $5 each
Good point. He'll spend thousands on legal fees when the most he'd spend is maybe $80 getting the discs resurfaced. I'm actually planning on buying a resurfacing machine, as it will save me money in the long run, and since no store in my town has one, might even make some $$ doing it for others.
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12. July 2007 @ 11:32 |
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This could be a very important suit. It brings up a very valid reason WHY people should be allowed to make backups and why the rights that are infringed on are the consumers' and not the company's why copy protection, and DRM, are applied.
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12. July 2007 @ 12:24 |
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The lawsuit also states that damage can occur while the console is stationery.
I call B.S. on that. I'm on my second 360, and I've yet to see one game get scratched by either of them.
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Wouldnt this guy be better off to just use the money he would otherwise be using on all sorts of legal fees, and replace his games. Or hell he could even just take his games down to the local video store and get them resurfaced for less than $5 each
Good point. He'll spend thousands on legal fees when the most he'd spend is maybe $80 getting the discs resurfaced. I'm actually planning on buying a resurfacing machine, as it will save me money in the long run, and since no store in my town has one, might even make some $$ doing it for others.
To stop M$ from getting away with burning hard earned £or$. why should he pay 80$? the weather broke it says m$.the point is if m$ broke it with there console m$ must pay
i saw this on YouTube early search it up, i think it was"xbox"or"xbox360"
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vinny13
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12. July 2007 @ 14:52 |
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Originally posted by jdm3:
This could be a very important suit. It brings up a very valid reason WHY people should be allowed to make backups and why the rights that are infringed on are the consumers' and not the company's why copy protection, and DRM, are applied.
Wow I never thought of it that way. Very smart. I agree.
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12. July 2007 @ 16:35 |
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I have had all my games scratched by the Xbox 360 and have never moved it. You can tell the 360 did this because 1: They went into the 360 perfect and came out scratched like crazy and 2: There is a line on the outter edge that can only be made by the 360. Good thing I have filled a BBB cvomplaint and also will be joining that guys class action or whatever else I can do. I am also going to be filing a lawsuit against MS
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12. July 2007 @ 19:39 |
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BTW the amount of money he wants is not to bad,because its handed out in equal parts to everyone in the class action suit,just think how many new 50$+ games got scratched up by the 360 over a few hundred or a few thousand people.
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12. July 2007 @ 22:39 |
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The lawsuit also states that damage can occur while the console is stationery.
I call B.S. on that. I'm on my second 360, and I've yet to see one game get scratched by either of them.
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Wouldnt this guy be better off to just use the money he would otherwise be using on all sorts of legal fees, and replace his games. Or hell he could even just take his games down to the local video store and get them resurfaced for less than $5 each
Good point. He'll spend thousands on legal fees when the most he'd spend is maybe $80 getting the discs resurfaced. I'm actually planning on buying a resurfacing machine, as it will save me money in the long run, and since no store in my town has one, might even make some $$ doing it for others.
my 360 burned rings on some of my discs too,,ms replaced the console but not the disc
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The lawsuit also states that damage can occur while the console is stationery.
I call B.S. on that. I'm on my second 360, and I've yet to see one game get scratched by either of them.
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Wouldnt this guy be better off to just use the money he would otherwise be using on all sorts of legal fees, and replace his games. Or hell he could even just take his games down to the local video store and get them resurfaced for less than $5 each
Good point. He'll spend thousands on legal fees when the most he'd spend is maybe $80 getting the discs resurfaced. I'm actually planning on buying a resurfacing machine, as it will save me money in the long run, and since no store in my town has one, might even make some $$ doing it for others.
my 360 burned rings on some of my discs too,,ms replaced the console but not the disc
Sue them while you still can!!!
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13. July 2007 @ 05:05 |
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Originally posted by thekingo7:
you know what fuck you all, I just made an honest point about the sensible treatment of the 360 (e.g. don't move it when its turned on) and I get ridiculed and called a fanboy. I am by no means a fanboy, I don't even own a third-gen console, let alone have a preference for one.
I'm jsut stating the fact that unless the electronic device has specifically said you can move it when in use (e.g. walkman, ipod), you shouldn't move it.
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You make a good point about not moving the console while it's in use
But I would like to call your attention to the fact
My Elite has NEVER moved since i bought it and I?m on my SECOND Store bought copy of Forza 2 and Gears of War
Both were scratched by the Console while lying horizontal and well ventilated
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vinny13
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13. July 2007 @ 07:59 |
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Originally posted by thekingo7:
you know what fuck you all, I just made an honest point about the sensible treatment of the 360 (e.g. don't move it when its turned on) and I get ridiculed and called a fanboy. I am by no means a fanboy, I don't even own a third-gen console, let alone have a preference for one.
I'm jsut stating the fact that unless the electronic device has specifically said you can move it when in use (e.g. walkman, ipod), you shouldn't move it.
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You make a good point about not moving the console while it's in use
But I would like to call your attention to the fact
My Elite has NEVER moved since i bought it and I?m on my SECOND Store bought copy of Forza 2 and Gears of War
Both were scratched by the Console while lying horizontal and well ventilated
Because M$ cut out parts to save money in their disc drives. One thing that I noticed is that the disc doesn't stop spinning when the tray is opened. That probably causes some damage.
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15. July 2007 @ 09:14 |
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If you have an Xbox 360 Console that has scratched your discs and you would like more information about the proposed class action lawsuit filed, please visit the Plaintiff?s attorneys? website at http://www.Xbox360Litigation.com.
In the lawsuit, the Plaintiff is asking the Court to certify a nationwide class and create a fund for all individuals that have had discs damaged by an Xbox 360. The Plaintiff has alleged that the total minimum amount of damages incurred by all of the individuals combined is at least $5,000,000.00. To be clear, the Plaintiff is not alleging that he or any individual member of the class is entitled to that amount of money. The sum recovered by individual class members will be significantly less than the total damages incurred by the proposed class as a whole.
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17. July 2007 @ 01:34 |
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The gamer claims that the laser in the Xbox 360 caused permanent damage to his retail bought games and that the attached documentation that comes with the system does not mention anything or advise against moving the console while it is turned on.
This could be the only gray area in this guys lawsuit. Common sense would be not to move any device while it is turned on with CD's in it. If the device was stationary and then it was damaged it would have been a different story.
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