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bbw
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22. October 2003 @ 14:48 |
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So many of us want to stick movies onto DVD's or VCD's to watch on standalone players. Why does every flick come as .avi format when they are so damn difficult to convert? I've spent a day trying to convert a great quality AVI to mpeg suitable for a DVD, to no avail. (XVid codec) It's stupid, AVI's are crap, .mpg's can be used in DVD authoring without conversion.
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Praetor
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22. October 2003 @ 20:21 |
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Hehe... dont start with me on dvds and mpegs :P
1. MPEGs that are designed for TV (i.e., SVCD, VCD) are crap because TV by its very nature is CRAP. Low resolution, terrible dot pitch and definitly not the same color precision as you can get from a computer
2. Other MPEGs like DVD when played on a standalone.... well... one little scratch and do i need to let you know what happens? ;-) PLay it on a computer, you might not notice it... as for a standalone, scratch, pop, hiss, crackle disort.
3. At the end of the day the thing is as far as size per unit quality goes, AVI is the best option by a LONG shot. Just think about it.... 4500KB/s for a DVD..... 700-1400KB/s for an AVI... damn near the same quality provided you know what you are doing. Because really you cannot compare a computer and a TV... TVs are big for a reason: they are not sharp and provide a very basic output functionality... one look at the resolution of a TV screen will confirm that.
4. Not everyone likes nor even WANTS DVDs (hehe like me for instance). I get my DVD, rip it and trash the DVD. So really, there are people out there not interested in "DVD authoring without conversion"
5. Watching a well done AVI and a DVD on a computer... in most instances there is no significant quality difference. Partly because of the resolution of our retinas and partly because of the framerate and image frame resolution. Of course this doesnt apply with TVs because they are terrible as it is. So for people who (a) dont have money for a TV, (b) dont have money for a 50"+ tv or (c) dont have money for some of the more exotic display units, computers are the only display option (as well as being a bar by which all images should be compared).
6. Not every flick comes as an AVI. If you want an MPEG ready for DVD... grab a SVCD... of course then there is the quality issue.... but you hate AVIs so much. So what's it gonna be? Quality or 'ease of conversion'?
7. There is a perfectly legit reason why high quality MPEGs arent available for download.... think of their filesize again relating to the bitrate of a highquality DVD in the multi-megabyte-per-second class and given a 2 hour movie... well do the math. Not everyone has a T3+ or heck for those filesizes, not everyone has an OC48+
8. If "so many of you want to watch movies on standalones", then download the SVCD or VCDs! Don't downlaod the AVI and complain hehe ('sides i would venture to say the majority of the initial reliases are all (S)VCDs). Of course then you waste multiple gigabytes and/or multiple discs to provide either (a) virtually the same quality with regards to DVDs and (b) crappier qualitiy with respect to (S)VCDs.
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bbw
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23. October 2003 @ 13:45 |
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Clearly an educated view there. :)
BUT, wait, lots of people want to watch films on the TV. Sure, we (as PC users) know that the resoloution on a monitor is far superiour to a TV, but lots of people like sitting in front of the TV in the armchair (I have a decent home cinenma set up, nothing fany but quite nice) watching a good film with a beer or whatever.
The beauty of owning a PC is that you can produce things like DVD's, things regular people ;) take for granted.
I admit, I download AVI's because they are better quality, I then re-encode them to fit nicely on a DVD. The problem lies with the mind boggling amount of codecs (video & audio) out there to fox us?!
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Henzel
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24. October 2003 @ 00:16 |
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Try "Ulead dvd movie factory 2"
Be a little patience during conversion (about 3 beers)But you won´t need any other programs after conversion to burn a VCD,SVCD,DVD.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 24. October 2003 @ 00:19
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Minion
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27. October 2003 @ 18:04 |
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If you have the Right software and have you computer configured Properly and have a Good working knowlege of digital video then any AVI file no matter what codec it uses can be easilly encoded to Mpeg and Quite Quickly(As long as the AVI was made properly and isn"t corrupted), It takes me less than an hour to encode a 2 hour DivX file to Mpeg for DVD....Cheers
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Praetor
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27. October 2003 @ 20:19 |
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Clearly an educated view there. :)
Thx :-)
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BUT, wait, lots of people want to watch films on the TV. Sure, we (as PC users) know that the resoloution on a monitor is far superiour to a TV, but lots of people like sitting in front of the TV in the armchair (I have a decent home cinenma set up, nothing fany but quite nice) watching a good film with a beer or whatever.
Granted a very valid point and i would dare say that this is the most significant factor -- the average dude prefers sheer size and "greatness" over minute barely discernable properties like dot pitch hehe. Me - i spend a significiant portion of a day in front of a monitor so my opinion is slightly biased :P ... in the end it comes down to whether you want the gigantico-enormous screen or you prefer the sharper image.
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johnbmx
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27. October 2003 @ 23:33 |
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.if you are trying to convert a divx or xvid to a dvd anyway then thats pretty lame.its already in a compressed format and now you want to re-encode it?its also not the AVI thats the problem..thats just the package..its whatever codec is inside it(in your case xvid).i make my own dvd's for other people( i am a videographer)i go minidv to uncompressed AVI to mpeg2 dvd format to dvd burn..dvd's are way cheaper than music cd's now too and watching a movie on a pc aint too bright.its better to rip and then burn your own dvd if thats how you wanna do it.its also sometimes faster then downloading somebody elses crappy conversion or corruption..might as well just do it yourself.praetor clearly does NOT have an educated view and needs to learn about refresh rates etc.many mistakes in that post..that knowledge given was from someone who is simply a ripper and biased in opinion.
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topgazza
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28. October 2003 @ 12:36 |
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I'd like to play some of my AVI on my TV. Ulead is great but can't compress so I guess TMPGE?
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topgazza
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28. October 2003 @ 12:39 |
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DOH!
Meant to say that most of my AVI files are at 23/25fps and need to be 29fps to play on a UK PAL TV ( I think thats correct...?)How do you increase the fps to suit? Do you have to?
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Minion
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28. October 2003 @ 14:57 |
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NOPE...You got it wrong, For it to play on a PAL TV you have to use 25fps Frame rate, 23.976fps/24fps is NTSC Film and 29.97fps/30fps is NTSC...When I have to convert Frame rates I usually use an Editing Program like "Premier Pro" or "Vegas Video 4" to convert my AVI files to AVI with the Correct framerate useing the "HuffyUV" codec, Then encode the HuffyUV AVI file to Mpeg with a High Quality encoder...The conversion from your AVI file to the 25fps HuffyUV compressed File is Allmost Totally lossless so you don"t have to wory about the quality being degraded while converting Frame rates, Most Editors have built in Encoders so you can use the editors encoder to encode the file and save some time skipping the encodeing to AVI step...Cheers
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topgazza
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29. October 2003 @ 00:33 |
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Thanks again Minion. Posted in a couple of spots for coverage. I was going to use premier pro but I have a copy of Vegas 4 so I will try that first.
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Praetor
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29. October 2003 @ 16:18 |
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Whoa ppl... new threads for new topics :-)
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Niko2000
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1. November 2003 @ 06:43 |
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Still Confused more than ever.
I just obtained the knowledge to download from
IRC, (best source to download from by the way)
To me my understanding is that AVI's are smaller and I don't have a T3, which makes everything that much more managable.
The problem is that everybody talks about converting to VCD or SVCD,
I have a bunch of cd-r's that my friend gave me
with movies on each of them.
The funny thing is that there are 3 complete movies on some disc and...
They are in AVI format.
My question to the forum is how is this possible and why am I able to watch them on my standalone dvd player but nobody can tell me how to make them, (I already asked my friend to explain but he has an uncle who does them for him and contact has not been able to be made.)
On the other hand I would think that more than one person would know how to comlete this task.
Is there anyone who might be able to clear up my confusion.
P.S. I verified the files with g-spot to make sure that they were indeed AVI files.
Niko2000
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Minion
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1. November 2003 @ 11:13 |
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well if these are AVI files and you can watch them on your DVD Player then it is because you Must have one of those Very Rare DVD Players that Play DivX/Mpeg-4 Format...These Players are extremely rare and you usually have to pay a Pretty penny More for these Players...The Files them selved are easy to make,Most movies you download are allready in this Format allready so you would just burn them to CD..But you should not most of this allready because DVD Players that Play DivX/Mpeg-4 are a specialty item so when you bought it this would have been one of the Major Selling Point on this Player .....Cheers
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johnbmx
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1. November 2003 @ 14:25 |
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.they're not rare and they are about 200 us dollars.
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Minion
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1. November 2003 @ 14:30 |
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Well they are Very Rare were I live, You have to actually have them ordered in from the United States or Japan and they are about $300-$500 here compared to $50 for a regular DVD Player so I would call that rare and expensive...Cheers
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johnbmx
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1. November 2003 @ 14:32 |
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.yeah..sorry didnt know you were in that kind of place.
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Minion
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1. November 2003 @ 14:42 |
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Yea ..They call it Canada...Well I got to go and feed the Polar Bears and put a New Door on the Iglo..LOL...Cheers
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Niko2000
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1. November 2003 @ 16:10 |
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Thankyou for replying but I have not solved my problem.
I have an Apex DVD player $50.00 circuit city.
I don't want to make avi's they are downloaded as AVI already.
I know what I'm asking for is possible because I watch the movies every day on my standalone player.
Minon: [qoute]...The Files them selved are easy to make,Most movies you download are allready in this Format allready so you would just burn them to CD..[qoute]
Any conversion first off is not easy to create when you have to go through 6-8 hours of painful converting for your file to end up not working or it being corrupted.
Movies in AVI format are small enough to manage multiple downloads of the files vs
(400mb - 600mb files, MPEG1)
So they are perferred.
Burn them to CD, and how should I do that?
Am I burning the file as a data file or how, because the avi's on my disks are not vcd/svcd.
Please help
Still confused....
Niko
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Praetor
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1. November 2003 @ 21:21 |
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Yea ..They call it Canada...Well I got to go and feed the Polar Bears and put a New Door on the Iglo..LOL...Cheers
Where abouts? Dang... we dont have to replace our igloo door for another couple weeks.
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I have an Apex DVD player $50.00 circuit city.
I don't want to make avi's they are downloaded as AVI already.
I know what I'm asking for is possible because I watch the movies every day on my standalone player.
No. There are a very few select players confirmed to be able to play very specifically formatted AVI files. Both LiteOn and KISS Technologies produce standalone DVD players capable of playing DivX/XviD movies. KISS makes the KiSS DP-500 DVD (http://www.kiss-technology.com/templates/side.asp?level=1&pid=411) and LiteON has the LITEON LVD-2002 (http://www.liteonit.com/DC/english/lvd_2002_2.htm) and the LITEON LVD-2001 (http://www.liteonit.com/DC/english/lvd_2001_2.htm).
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Any conversion first off is not easy to create when you have to go through 6-8 hours of painful converting for your file to end up not working or it being corrupted.
What guide or technique do you use? Regardless of the technique, if you follow it to the letter you wont have any problems at all :-)
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Burn them to CD, and how should I do that?
Am I burning the file as a data file or how, because the avi's on my disks are not vcd/svcd.
AVI files = DataCD
MPEG1 files = VCD
MPEG2 files = SVCD
(S)VCDs require specifically formatted files so that they can be played anywhere. If your files are not formatted properly you will have to encode them so that they do. Do not use the Nero encoder. More problems than answers
For more info on encoding to (S)VCD with TMPGEnc: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/43085
For information on burning VCDs with Nero: http://www.afterdawn.com/articles/archive/nero_videocd_guide.cfm
To see some common solutions for various TMPGEnc related issues, visit http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/40101
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Niko2000
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2. November 2003 @ 05:33 |
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No. There are a very few select players confirmed to be able to play very specifically formatted AVI files.
1st Question
So are you saying that I just have normal avi files that are burned as data files that work on my apex dvd player, and the NO part is in reference to divx/xvid avi's that can not be burned and watched as a movie on my apex which are most likely not what I have?
2nd Question
So in (my newbie theory)wouldn't be possible to reconvert the file from divx/xvid back to regular avi or remove the code in order to make it viewable as a data file.
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What guide or technique do you use? Regardless of the technique, if you follow it to the letter.
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1st Everybody on this fourm complains about how long conversions take not all users have a
1G-2.4G processor to handle such tasks, so what technique I use should be of no suprise.
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AVI files = DataCD
MPEG1 files = VCD
MPEG2 files = SVCD
(S)VCDs require specifically formatted files so that they can be played anywhere. If your files are not formatted properly you will have to encode them so that they do. Do not use the Nero encoder. More problems than answers
2nd I wanna know how do I follow (i guess my technique) to the letter if I don't have one. Everybody says use the new Nero 6 on these forums so if not Nero then what?
I have looked at the guides online at our site here, but how am I to use them if I can't figure out how to get a regular avi file to play on my dvd player such as the one's that were given to me and verified of their file type?
If burning an avi file as a data file why isn't
put in plain english and used a little more often than going through conversions.
(It can't be because of quality because the avi's I watch on my dvd player are crystal clear.)
<<< hehe the quote syntaxt works much better when quote is spelt properly :P and dont forget the slash on the closing quote -Praetor>>>
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Minion
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2. November 2003 @ 11:51 |
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DivX/XviD Files are Just regular AVI files and should be Viewable on any PC that had the Installed Codecs..and if you have one of those DVD players that supports Mpeg-4/DivX/XviD you just Burn these AVI files to CD-R and they should play on the DVD player...And converting Files to DivX/XviD is Very easy, for me even easier than Mpeg1/2 Conversions to VCD/SVCD/DVD,...And Most poeple Should have a 2ghz Or faster PC these Days as they are extremely cheap..I just Built a whole Intel 2.4ghz System for about $325 US and rescently upgraded a friends PC from a 600mhz to a Athlon XP 2200+ for $120..and they will get even cheaper as Intel and AMD are trying to clear out there stock or P-4"s and Athlon XP"s to make way for the next Generation technoligy like Hyper-Threading and 64Bit..Nows the Time to Upgrade if you have a Lowly 1ghz PC...Cheers
PS:Actually were I live we don"t get Snow, Just 6 months of Rain...Vancouver and Victoria..
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Praetor
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3. November 2003 @ 21:21 |
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So are you saying that I just have normal AVI files that are burned as data files that work on my apex dvd player, and the NO part is in reference to divx/xvid avi's that can not be burned and watched as a movie on my apex which are most likely not what I have?
What I am saying is that a $50 player will not play DivX/XviD. Period.
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So in (my newbie theory)wouldn't be possible to reconvert the file from divx/xvid back to regular AVI or remove the code in order to make it viewable as a data file.
An divx/xvid file IS and AVI file. Notice the extension at the end of the filename? AVI. (it might be divx but thats just stupid naming conventions, rename it to AVI hehe). So you dont need to convert anything.
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1st Everybody on this fourm complains about how long conversions take not all users have a
1G-2.4G processor to handle such tasks, so what technique I use should be of no suprise.
They dont take that long. You can usually score realtime with a 1.5Ghz+ class processor. Even on a dinky P3-800, for a 2hour movie it donesnt ever take more than 4 hours.
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And Most poeple Should have a 2ghz Or faster PC these Days as they are extremely cheap
Cheap yes but for the average person, 2Ghz is a little high. Not everyone has the time/money to be buyin comps all the time. :-)
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Niko2000
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4. November 2003 @ 00:05 |
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This has been more than intresting,
[qoute]What I am saying is that a $50 player will not play DivX/XviD. Period[/qoute]
OK so then obviously I have avi's that are not Divx/Xvid that do play on a $50 player.
These are the specific questions that I am looking for, If you don't have the answers what help will it do me.
1.Are the movies on my disk more than likely to be regular avi's that were burned to my cd-r as a data cd with a program like Nero (which I shouldn't use)?
2.If so, there are three movies on each disk,
how does the dvd player know which movie I want to play, or is there a way to create a menu to select which movie should be viewed on a data cd?
3.If so does anyone know what kind of program should be used?
4.What program should I use since I understand Nero will give me problems?
Re: Renaming an AVI file.
[qoute]An divx/xvid file IS and AVI file. Notice the extension at the end of the filename? AVI. (it might be divx but thats just stupid naming conventions, rename it to AVI hehe). So you dont need to convert anything.
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The reason I would need to reconvert an AVI file from a divx/xvid file is because divx/xvid avi's are not viewable on cheaper standalone players such as the apex, which views non-divx/xvid avi's. The soultion to my problem is not to upgrade and by a standalone player which can view these newer (xvid) formats or upgrade my computer because I don't like waiting to convert my files to huge mpeg1 files and then burning them, whoever suggested that saying it cost about 200 dollars is nuts because now upgrading to a better power supply is a must which cost you $60.00 bucks then you better have DDR ram, what you must have 512mb of ram that alone is $200 or more and don't consider getting 1g of ram,have you even bought your motherboard and chip combo another $200 so no another upgrade is not cheap, thanks for the advice though.
In simple I just wanna know how this guy got these movie on this disk without converting them i have about 30 disk and there all the same no directories like vcd's just avi's now I know this isn't magic and is possible and that theres and easy uncomplicated way of doing this.
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4. November 2003 @ 06:00 |
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Just to be clear, and stop the generalizations, what brand/model of DVD player do you have?
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