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US Government goes after console mod chip makers
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article published on 1 August, 2007
This morning, the US Government announced it has executed 32 search warrants in 16 different states in an effort to crackdown on console mod chip makers, claiming the chips cause the video game industry billions of dollars in lost revenue each year.
The warrants were out for companies that produce mod chips, which effectively bypass any copyright protection, allowing gamers to play downloaded ... [ read the full article ]
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Bremen
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13. August 2007 @ 18:05 |
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i could quote someone but everyones points are good
only thing i can say is gay gay gay gay gay
i lost a M$ live account due to a modded xbox..... b/c it was on the same network as my other box (both on at the same time) oh well theres 50$ of the 2 billion they lose back
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Goomba314
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15. August 2007 @ 15:20 |
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fucking feds
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jay317
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15. August 2007 @ 23:48 |
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Let's me start with some info concerning the DMCA. U.S. Copyright laws permit making a "backup" copy of computer programs for archival purposes under section 117(2) as stated on the ESA's website ESA FAQ's on Anti-Piracy . Now with that being said aren't the manufactures? of game console infringing upon our rights, as a consumer, to play a legal backup copy of a game, which is governed by the DMCA, by designing their console to block any copied games, which drives us to purchase a mod-chip to allow us to play our legal backups? Sounds to me like a catch-22.
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15. August 2007 @ 23:51 |
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Originally posted by jay317:
Let's me start with some info concerning the DMCA. U.S. Copyright laws permit making a "backup" copy of computer programs for archival purposes under section 117(2) as stated on the ESA's website ESA FAQ's on Anti-Piracy . Now with that being said aren't the manufactures? of game console infringing upon our rights, as a consumer, to play a legal backup copy of a game, which is governed by the DMCA, by designing their console to block any copied games, which drives us to purchase a mod-chip to allow us to play our legal backups? Sounds to me like a catch-22.
There is no "fair use" in the corporate scheme of things ^^
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emugamer
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16. August 2007 @ 01:34 |
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Originally posted by jay317:
Let's me start with some info concerning the DMCA. U.S. Copyright laws permit making a "backup" copy of computer programs for archival purposes under section 117(2) as stated on the ESA's website ESA FAQ's on Anti-Piracy . Now with that being said aren't the manufactures? of game console infringing upon our rights, as a consumer, to play a legal backup copy of a game, which is governed by the DMCA, by designing their console to block any copied games, which drives us to purchase a mod-chip to allow us to play our legal backups? Sounds to me like a catch-22.
It's fair use until the CEO's want a new yacht.
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16. August 2007 @ 01:40 |
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Originally posted by emugamer:
Originally posted by jay317:
Let's me start with some info concerning the DMCA. U.S. Copyright laws permit making a "backup" copy of computer programs for archival purposes under section 117(2) as stated on the ESA's website ESA FAQ's on Anti-Piracy . Now with that being said aren't the manufactures? of game console infringing upon our rights, as a consumer, to play a legal backup copy of a game, which is governed by the DMCA, by designing their console to block any copied games, which drives us to purchase a mod-chip to allow us to play our legal backups? Sounds to me like a catch-22.
It's fair use until the CEO's want a new yacht.
you mean their platinum gold cocaine its the only way to explain their shenanigan's.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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yojacks
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21. August 2007 @ 18:18 |
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THIS SUCKS i was like one or two days away from getting my console shipped to me until this bullshit happens im pretty pissed at the government but i think that ICE is starting to back off as the modchip bust is not on their front page anymore now their looking for a drug trafficker by te name of luis albeiro and i just believe it was on big BRIBE from nintendo,ms and sony to go after modders.but the dumb part is that they went after modders and not chip makers.
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plazma247
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22. August 2007 @ 01:02 |
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hehe simple math when your cooking the figures theres more moders than chip makes, which means you have a higher probablity of catching and convicting a modder.
So logic says go after the modders as the figures look better.
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yojacks
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25. August 2007 @ 18:13 |
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more modders will still rise they'll just keep a lower profile and modders wwould be useless without chips that the chip makers make like diveneo but since diveneo is in a country where modchips are legal and since diveneo is a big company and not some guy with a soldering iron they have the ability to fight back and sony can't do shit to them even though they still tried and nothing happened as of late and they are one of the biggest chip makers out there.
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25. August 2007 @ 18:16 |
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Originally posted by yojacks:
more modders will still rise they'll just keep a lower profile and modders wwould be useless without chips that the chip makers make like diveneo but since diveneo is in a country where modchips are legal and since diveneo is a big company and not some guy with a soldering iron they have the ability to fight back and sony can't do shit to them even though they still tried and nothing happened as of late and they are one of the biggest chip makers out there.
Link sang fought back alright,sorry if sony sues anyone in 3 or 4 countries at the same time they are as good as dead 0-o
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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yojacks
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25. August 2007 @ 19:03 |
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the only thing i think that shouldn't be hacked at the moment is the ps3.if the ps3 gets hacked in a way where backupgames can be played that'll be a real big blow to sony as there a;ready having trouble getting developers to make games for them and if people can acquire those ga,es for free alot of game will go multi-platform or not for the ps3 at all.the ps2 is basically old new and they shouldn't be worriedanymore about modchips for the ps2 it's been fully hacked and there is no stopping it now especially now that the freevast team at www.freevast.biz is making a free memory card exploit that'll work like vast and will be basically a free modchip. man i can't see how that turns out.
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25. August 2007 @ 19:12 |
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Originally posted by yojacks:
the only thing i think that shouldn't be hacked at the moment is the ps3.if the ps3 gets hacked in a way where backupgames can be played that'll be a real big blow to sony as there a;ready having trouble getting developers to make games for them and if people can acquire those ga,es for free alot of game will go multi-platform or not for the ps3 at all.the ps2 is basically old new and they shouldn't be worriedanymore about modchips for the ps2 it's been fully hacked and there is no stopping it now especially now that the freevast team at www.freevast.biz is making a free memory card exploit that'll work like vast and will be basically a free modchip. man i can't see how that turns out.
It wont matter public presepction is more important,the PC is the great evil its the most easiest thing to pirate (BS 360 is easier,if I had a 360 ,I could run a copy of Bioshock from day 1,the PC version will take a few more days to get hacked) the ps3 is a beast (codeing,price) and in general is selling poorly,they actually need pirtiing more in order to push more merchandise.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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yojacks
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26. August 2007 @ 06:27 |
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that is true though if a hack did come out to allow backup games more people would buy due to that that's maybe one of the reasons the ps2 is selling like it is now.but wat makes it so hard to hack a ps3
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27. September 2007 @ 12:15 |
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In my opinion, how exactly could they know how much they loose, I mean, firstly, who do they get these facts from (they would have to ask most of the people with modded consoles, which alone is close to impossible) and then they would have to differentiate between the probably small community that do use it for pirating, and the others who use it for homebrew, or backups of the original game. They probably took a fact then made an "estimate" that ended up blown out of proportion, mainly to add effect to the ludicrous comments that they have said.
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XdjxedxdX
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19. December 2007 @ 20:29 |
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software piracy and money laundering."
Um how the hell do you launder money selling modchips???
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20. December 2007 @ 00:42 |
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Oxadillia/XdjxedxdX
It dose not matter what the truth is, they can make it illeagle just because they have the power to try to do it.
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BigDEEZZY
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24. March 2010 @ 20:25 |
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My fight with homeland security
On 1/6/10 Homeland security knocked down my house and took all my computers and DVD,
They cuffed me and removed all my stuff after they had all my stuff they told me that they would be in contact with me. They did not arrest me the charges are copyright infringement. I have now started to use programs called trucrypt to hide all my data. I suggest anyone who has backups make a container and put your game in there or make a hidden volume this could have save me a lot of trouble. I?m going to court on May 13. I did have the original games but when they server warrant like this if you any file or DVD they will screw you. This is the new USA that we live in remember song anything on your computer is under search can be used against you in a court of law I will be doing updates to let you know also the warrant is attached to this take a look at it covers anything in you house real scary shit what homeland security can do to us in the USA god help us.
Please use the program it could save your ass it is free and open source http://www.truecrypt.org/
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plazma247
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25. March 2010 @ 06:54 |
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Originally posted by BigDEEZZY:
My fight with homeland security
On 1/6/10 Homeland security knocked down my house and took all my computers and DVD,
They cuffed me and removed all my stuff after they had all my stuff they told me that they would be in contact with me. They did not arrest me the charges are copyright infringement. I have now started to use programs called trucrypt to hide all my data. I suggest anyone who has backups make a container and put your game in there or make a hidden volume this could have save me a lot of trouble. I’m going to court on May 13. I did have the original games but when they server warrant like this if you any file or DVD they will screw you. This is the new USA that we live in remember song anything on your computer is under search can be used against you in a court of law I will be doing updates to let you know also the warrant is attached to this take a look at it covers anything in you house real scary shit what homeland security can do to us in the USA god help us.
Please use the program it could save your ass it is free and open source http://www.truecrypt.org/
Hey man really sorry to hear about your plight :( does make me glad to be in the UK for a change although im sure our 51'st state wont be far behind in employing the same game plan.
Out of intrests what started the investigation and lead upto the raid..?
Using crypt programs is all well and good, however i heard if you do use it and refuse to give them the access password they will do you for that, although im sure it carries a leser sentance. Im not sure if this is the same in the us but i heard it was here in the UK it applies.
You may also want to have a look out there on the internet for DECAF , this will run on your drive and if it detects the police forensic tools will trash data or what ever.
Its a sad old world we live in when the price of a life now appears less than that of a copyrighted material, it does beg the question have we really come any further than the days of people having hands cut off or put to death for stealing a loaf of bread.... you make up your own mind.
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