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CRIA threats lead to shutdown of Demonoid site
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article published on 9 November, 2007
Visitors to BitTorrent Tracker site Demonoid.com over the last several hours have been greeted by the following message:
"The CRIA threatened the company renting the servers to us, and because of this it is not possible to keep the site online. Sorry for the inconvenience and thanks for your understanding."
In September the site was forced to move its servers to Canada from The Netherlands, ... [ read the full article ]
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10. November 2007 @ 03:58 |
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I adore Demonoid and I agree with everybody on here saying it was more than just a tracker, it was a friendly community. It seems Demonoid is going offline every other week, but they always seem to find their way back to us! ::knock on wood::
I just wish they would keep their forum online when the tracker went down. (This could be done easily.) We could still have our community, and they could still update us on the Demonoid tracker status. I hate when they go down because it's all just rumors, nobody ever has an offical word.
COME BACK!
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ahiah9
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10. November 2007 @ 04:35 |
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Demonoid was my favorite tracker, hands down. I hope they can make it back, but in the event that they don't, I still have files downloading. If I disconnect to restart my computer before they finish, will I be able to reconnect to a seeder?
Last I knew: ?Site is down, tracker is up. Expect the site to return, unless we hear otherwise from Deimos.? --Anyone heard anything definite yet? Not an IRC user, so I can't keep up.
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10. November 2007 @ 06:08 |
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Stevel024
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10. November 2007 @ 14:12 |
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Demonoid = best torrent site ever
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10. November 2007 @ 15:23 |
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Originally posted by gamillah:
I agree with everyone here.. Demonoid is the best place here on earth. User friendly and i have met some of my best friends now through demonoid not to mention help that came easy through the forum... I have yet to find another site where you can post a question and someone actually responds to you via PM!! I miss demonoid and hope to see it back...Deimos' site was a mover, shaker and ground breaker!!!
((HUGS))demonoid... "live long and prosper"... soon!!!
On a purely selfish note: It does totally blow to be halfway done and getting stuck!!! But yet again - It was fun while it lasted. I was heart broken not just because some of the files stopped, but the medium to speak to the friends I have there is gone.. "tear"...
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I think this is a B... S...!!! Not godd last very long. I had one good place to download from and not only downloading, but getting help with being new with computers. I go to Demonoid to get help and I get it. If they want the Demonoid, take the torrent site, but not the forum's. It costs alot to bring a coumputer in to get fixed or even just to get help. I have to drive an hour to get my computer fixed and with Demonoid a few minutes to get help. And for the downloading, I think that maybe the prices of Music and Movies should be dropped about 45% and them maybe people would be able to buy instead of pirating. Who wants to pay $15-$20 for a 1/2 hour- 1 hour kids show. I don't. I have to wait till I get money and travel 1 1/2 hour to the nearest store. Why do that and you can get it free, within a day. I believe the writers are on strike right now in the US. They should start protesters and get the prices dropped on Music and Movies!!
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10. November 2007 @ 15:32 |
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Yeah it sucks that Demonoid folded like that-But it would cost way more money in legal fees to try and battle it out with the CRIA than it would to just relocate to another location, such as Sweden...
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10. November 2007 @ 16:38 |
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If they relocate hosts then they can let Canadians rejoin =).
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10. November 2007 @ 22:44 |
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Originally posted by LILBUCK:
Ok as a Canadian that was blocked out several weeks ago' the only upside to this issue involving demonoid is that they will move out of canada and then resume operations and full access back to canadian's who fileshare ever since we were blocked out the only way back into demonoid was with a proxy and this was a friggan pain in the ass. My personal opion is that there is other forces than the cria at work here, I did some research and found out the following.
1. The CRIA has only been interested in the selling on music and they are mainly focused at pirating for profit they have tried in the past to sue individuals who download with NO success.
2. They have not taken any credit OR acknowledged any lawsuits or pressure put on demonoid.
3. The only reason that Demonoid moved to Canada was to because we are one of the few countries that accepts that downloading copyright material is legal(uploading is not).
4. Earlier when canadians were banned from using demonoid (THIS IS WHERE THE CRIA WAS SATISFIED) and because we were banned this should have let demonoid operate with out any more obstruction in this country BECAUSE the canadian public was not involved anymore.
My educated guess is that the RIAA and the MPAA are putting pressure and funds north to the CRIA in the hopes to eradicate DEMONOID permanently. BUT the bottom line is that this was a BLUFF by the CRIA and DEMONOID folded faster than a 5$ lawn chair. I think that the thought of a big long lasting lawsuit scared the S#$T out of demonoid. Even though I think in the long run, the canadian laws would protect demonoid and they would win.
So that?s that, it will leave a huge hole in the amount of quality content floating around in torrent form (much of which we were responsible) unless those who originally uploaded the content attached more than one tracker to the content when it was uploaded (we did not).
Furthermore Deimos (the sites only actual administrator) has turned tail himself and abandoned the Canadian market weeks ago to feeble threats at best. Therefore I suspect that after already going through this once in the Netherlands and moving here to Canada (the best country on the planet) has set up a nice little life for himself in Canada and is not about to go to another country just to rent a server and provide a debatably illegitimate operation for us simple folks.
So long to Demonoid unless Deimos can find another ISP willing to stand up to some pathetic threats by the CRIA who (despite the name) does NOT represent Canadian artists and the Canadian music industry. It is a confirmed AMERICAN association based in Canada to represent the RIAA here, basicly it IS the RIAA!!!
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In September the site was forced to move its servers to Canada from The Netherlands, where they were under attack from Dutch copyright enforcement agency BREIN. Since that time, the Canadian equivalent to the RIAA, the Canadian Recording Industry Association (CRIA) has been working to have the servers shut down.
This is incorrect, Demonoid moved its servers to Canada back in the first week of July and was fine here until the 3rd week in September when Canadian traffic was blocked and we were forced to turn to proxy sites or TOR programs to circumvent the forced restriction.
Just thought I would point that out, its not like the CRIA could do what they did from September to November, in fact it was since early July, Thanks for reading and God Bless the Torrent Community!
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10. November 2007 @ 22:54 |
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Hey, nobody said that you can't put those torrent trackers on some of the older P2P clients. A few of them still work, even though they're no longer being supported by the original developers. What are they gonna do; when there is no more Demonoid, ISO Hunt and Pirate Bay homepages?
Download the old version of BearShare 5 at www.oldversions.com. There is no need to register to get more junk e-mail or provide information for a RIAA lawsuit. Place your torrent tracker and info note pad in a ZIP or RAR file that will be detected by the software...
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10. November 2007 @ 23:35 |
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The guy who runs Demonoid is a gutless wonder! All he should have done is complied, if the Canadian record industry was threatening him, he should have just said OK, I'll prevent all sharing of all music files! After that, the record industry wouldn't have had any other legal recourse because Demonoid would have complied with blocking P2P functioning of music content. Why this guy didn't do this--I haven't a clue? Because Demonoid was far more than a music sharing site, there were TV, movies, E-books, comics, applications, etc. The Canadian record industry can't stop Demonoid from sharing E-books! But like I said, this guy is a gutless wonder--just comply by preventing music sharing and get the stupid record industry off your back from sending threatening letters!!!!
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10. November 2007 @ 23:40 |
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Originally posted by JonLM:
he should have just said OK, I'll prevent all sharing of all music files! After that, the record industry wouldn't have had any other legal recourse because Demonoid would have complied with blocking P2P functioning of music content.
We will say it again, the CRIA (despite the name) does NOT represent Canadian artists and the Canadian music industry. It is a confirmed AMERICAN association based in Canada to represent the RIAA here, basicly it IS the RIAA!!!
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11. November 2007 @ 01:05 |
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Besides, P2P music is not harming Canada
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/05/...a_p2p_cd_sales/
Published Monday 5th November 2007 by By Chris Williams
Another study of P2P networks has found that music file-sharing has no detrimental effect on the CD racket and, if anything, is associated with higher physical sales.
This time the verdict comes from two University of London economists working for Canadian government business tentacle Industry Canada.
it states:
The Impact of Music Downloads and P2P File-Sharing: Abstract
source: Indusrty Canada found at: http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/ippd...n/ip01457e.html
The primary objective of this paper is to determine how the downloading of music files through Internet peer-to-peer (P2P) networks influences music purchasing in Canada. P2P networks permit members to transfer digitally-stored information to one another over the Internet; popular examples include BearShare, LimeWire and eMule. Using representative survey data from the Canadian population collected by Decima Research on behalf of Industry Canada, we attempt to quantify this economic relationship, while accounting for other factors that influence music purchasing. We undertake a variety of econometric estimations for the population of Canadians who engage in P2P file-sharing (P2P "downloaders"), as well as for the whole Canadian population. To our knowledge, this is the first study on P2P file-sharing that analyzes original and representative microeconomic survey data from the Canadian population. Few previous studies have analyzed representative microeconomic data, for Canada or any other country.
The existing literature identifies two competing effects associated with the P2P music file-sharing: the sampling and substitution effects. The sampling effect is characterized both by individuals downloading music in order to listen to it before buying it as well as by individuals downloading music that is not available in stores, while the substitution effect is characterized by individuals downloading music instead of purchasing it. In this paper, we further disentangle the sampling effect by adding a market segmentation effect, characterized by individuals engaging in P2P file-sharing because they do not want to purchase the entire bundle of songs on a CD.
Our review of existing econometric studies suggests that P2P file-sharing tends to decrease music purchasing. However, we find the opposite, namely that P2P file-sharing tends to increase rather than decrease music purchasing.
Among Canadians who engage in P2P file-sharing, our results suggest that for every 12 P2P downloaded songs, music purchases increase by 0.44 CDs. That is, downloading the equivalent of approximately one CD increases purchasing by about half of a CD. We are unable to find evidence of any relationship between P2P file-sharing and purchases of electronically-delivered music tracks (e.g., songs from iTunes). With respect to the other effects, roughly half of all P2P tracks were downloaded because individuals wanted to hear songs before buying them or because they wanted to avoid purchasing the whole bundle of songs on the associated CDs and roughly one quarter were downloaded because they were not available for purchase. Our results indicate that only the effect capturing songs downloaded because they were not available for purchase influenced music purchasing, a 1 percent increase in such downloads being associated with nearly a 4 percent increase in CD purchases.
We find evidence that purchases of other forms of entertainment such as cinema and concert tickets, and video games tend to increase with music purchases. It has been argued in the literature that the increase in the number of entertainment substitutes has led to a decline in music purchasing, but our results do not support this hypothesis. As expected, we find that reported interest in music is very strongly associated with music purchases. Finally, our results suggest that household income is not important in explaining music purchases.
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11. November 2007 @ 05:04 |
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There is no such thing as "uploading" files .Files can only be downloaded. This how it works,An author of a torrent starts seeding,and gives any one who wants that file, a license to read his/her HD and copy that particular file.And any one who downloads that file,does the same.There is only downloading,uploading would mean you could enter any ones computer and write to it. Only in the virus,trojan world can any one upload to your computer.I am surprised that the people in Canada stand for this nonsense. Are they wimps?
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11. November 2007 @ 09:00 |
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Originally posted by cousinkix:
Hey, nobody said that you can't put those torrent trackers on some of the older P2P clients. A few of them still work, even though they're no longer being supported by the original developers. What are they gonna do; when there is no more Demonoid, ISO Hunt and Pirate Bay homepages?
Download the old version of BearShare 5 at www.oldversions.com. There is no need to register to get more junk e-mail or provide information for a RIAA lawsuit. Place your torrent tracker and info note pad in a ZIP or RAR file that will be detected by the software...
Thats a good idea. have hide you ip address when your on there, but thats not actually a dad idea.
couldnt you just use DC++....
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11. November 2007 @ 09:17 |
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individuals downloading music that is not available in stores
That's me..
All these US idiots will do is push generally law abiding people into the darkside of the internet.. inhabited by the extremists, terrorists and real criminals.. I hope they learn when we all have access to bomb making data, and how to set up terrorist cells listed right next to music files.
I'm a little upset that I sent a few $$'s to a certain person who as it looks now has done a runner under pressure from the a$$holes.. (waiting to see developments before saying more.. I believe our friend will get something going again in the future.. I can understand not wanting to relocate again)
I'm sure there are plenty of servers for rent in North Korea, Iran and China where the RIAA and the rest haven't got a hope of touching them, and that would certainly give the anti west governments some satisfaction.
The USA doesn't own the world.. Sooner they get a real good kicking the better.
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reuven25
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11. November 2007 @ 09:39 |
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That is exactly the point I want to make,if certain music or movie is no longer on sale or available from the companies,is there still a valid copyright?
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11. November 2007 @ 10:03 |
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i foresee a giant ship with a giant demonnoid logo stamped to the side. demonnoid will not go anywere anytime soon.
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11. November 2007 @ 10:05 |
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O.K. its Nov.11/07 and NO Demonoid yet! Whether it be the CRIA or RIAA really makes no difference. They obviously have more power then their respective Govts. The only thing to do is hit them were it hurts, IN THEIR POCKETS[b][/b]. I suggest a North American boycott against the recording industries. It should be organized soon though, because Christmas is just around the corner.
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11. November 2007 @ 19:57 |
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boycott all you want its pointless. you not hurting the riaa by it.
what we need is a rent-a-terrorist service hire a group and send him in to riaa headquarter and kill all the top executivs. there rich im sure there wives in children wont care if there dad or husbands die.
as long as the get there cut of his money
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11. November 2007 @ 22:08 |
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Okay, well after reading all of those comments and being a die hard Demonoid member, I had to give AfterDawn my two cents.
Demonoid is my homepage. I would wake up to see how good my ratio has increased because that is basically my way of showing Demonoid how much I really care about the site.
Take all the torrent sites you want; torrentreactor.net, tpb.com, mininova.org, NOTHING will even compare to Demonoid. Why? Demonoid started as a worldwide creation that eventually evolved into every country in the world. Look @ Demonoid! There isn't a THING you cannot find on Demonoid. Album's, movie's, programs, WHATEVER. I think that is definitely one of the biggest reasons everyone turns to Demonoid prior to any other torrent site.
..Also as I said above, I loved lookin' @ my ratio to see how much better it got. I believe that is one of the many reasons that people turn to Demonoid because a lot of other torrent sites don't show you how much you share/seed. Why do you think on TPB there are like 1500 leechers and "200" seeders? There is no ratio! No one can show others just how much they have been sharing! Also Demonoid never tolerated bogus torrents or torrents that were infected. That's what I LOVED about Demonoid.
Will Demonoid be back? Only the Deimos know. My personal opinion, until they move those servers to a country that doesn't give a damn about copyright laws, Demonoid will see it's demise.
Long live Demonoid!
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12. November 2007 @ 00:25 |
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Originally posted by dpkchrome:
Okay, well after reading all of those comments and being a die hard Demonoid member, I had to give AfterDawn my two cents.
Demonoid is my homepage. I would wake up to see how good my ratio has increased because that is basically my way of showing Demonoid how much I really care about the site.
Take all the torrent sites you want; torrentreactor.net, tpb.com, mininova.org, NOTHING will even compare to Demonoid. Why? Demonoid started as a worldwide creation that eventually evolved into every country in the world. Look @ Demonoid! There isn't a THING you cannot find on Demonoid. Album's, movie's, programs, WHATEVER. I think that is definitely one of the biggest reasons everyone turns to Demonoid prior to any other torrent site.
..Also as I said above, I loved lookin' @ my ratio to see how much better it got. I believe that is one of the many reasons that people turn to Demonoid because a lot of other torrent sites don't show you how much you share/seed. Why do you think on TPB there are like 1500 leechers and "200" seeders? There is no ratio! No one can show others just how much they have been sharing! Also Demonoid never tolerated bogus torrents or torrents that were infected. That's what I LOVED about Demonoid.
Will Demonoid be back? Only the Deimos know. My personal opinion, until they move those servers to a country that doesn't give a damn about copyright laws, Demonoid will see it's demise.
Long live Demonoid!
Ya man, I checked every site for this movie form 1972, and only Demonoid had it! And there was a seeder! Crazy!
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12. November 2007 @ 04:10 |
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Originally posted by reuven25:
That is exactly the point I want to make,if certain music or movie is no longer on sale or available from the companies,is there still a valid copyright?
The length of copyright protection depends on several factors: when the work was created, who created the work, and when the work was first distributed commercially. For works created on and after January 1, 1978, the copyright term for works created by an individual is the life of the author plus 50 years. The term of the copyright for "works for hire" is 75 years from the date of first "publication" (distribution of copies to the general public) or 100 years from the date of creation, whichever expires first.
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12. November 2007 @ 04:14 |
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Originally posted by 07anto07:
Originally posted by reuven25:
That is exactly the point I want to make,if certain music or movie is no longer on sale or available from the companies,is there still a valid copyright?
The length of copyright protection depends on several factors: when the work was created, who created the work, and when the work was first distributed commercially. For works created on and after January 1, 1978, the copyright term for works created by an individual is the life of the author plus 50 years. The term of the copyright for "works for hire" is 75 years from the date of first "publication" (distribution of copies to the general public) or 100 years from the date of creation, whichever expires first.
i love demonoid too lot's of file's movie and music to share wish it was back.
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12. November 2007 @ 05:58 |
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Yes I understand, but cannot the copyright be challenged,if after the work has been on sale for a certain period of time, the owners refuse to sell any more copies.? It is very interesting that this point has not been raised in a court of law!
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12. November 2007 @ 07:10 |
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Originally posted by reuven25:
Yes I understand, but cannot the copyright be challenged,if after the work has been on sale for a certain period of time, the owners refuse to sell any more copies.? It is very interesting that this point has not been raised in a court of law!
i agree
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