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3. December 2007 @ 09:20 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=632202



Update on recent bannings, altered C/R timer, affects Kreon rips
>> A followup regarding the xbox live bannings that occured a few weeks ago...

Commodore4eva has noticed a recent change in games with regards to the c/r timings. It appears to have started in games a few weeks before halo 3, that will give a slightly altered Security Sector file when ripped using a kreon drive. We have tried to replicate the error with a samsung drive in 0800 mode with no success.

This slightly altered data would be very easy to detect, and would enable microsoft to use as critera for bannings. We believe this is the result of the recent bannings.

We are still not sure if this was a intentional move by Microsoft's part, or a coincedental bug within kreon. As a side note, kreon will not give this altered data every time, but appears to happen randomly. Here is a list of a few games that appear to have the possibility of giving altered SS data when ripped with kreon:
Halo 3
Mass Effect
Call Of Duty 4
Spiderman friend or foe
Thrillville
Project Gotham Racing 4
NHL 08
Half Life 2 The Orange Box
Oblivion GOTY Edition

This is just a small list of findings so far. There will be a full list maintained as time goes on (likely found in the forum thread below).

Kreon, Redline99 and commodore4eva are all involved with this progress, so there will be a solution in the near future, whether its a kreon firmware, XBC, or firmware update to resolve the issue.

If you have recently been banned, and would like to confirm whether one of your backups has a bad kreon SS, please use xdvdmulleter or any other program to extract the SS, and run Kreon Checker (compliments of #Stealth360 on efnet) on the SS, it will tell you whether it is a good or bad kreon rip. We are trying to verify that everyone who was banned had a bad kreon SS. As we find out more, the xdvdmulleter database will be updated to fix any bad Security Sectors on specific games.
Discuss this news item on our forums: forums.xbox-scene.com
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3. December 2007 @ 12:09 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
yep i just read this,
im still not bannned though :)

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3. December 2007 @ 13:24 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Ya I read it as well! I'm also not banned, and I've been playing COD4! I don't think it was one of the hits for the bans though...

I'm not playing Mass Effect or PGR4 until something is found out about this!


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3. December 2007 @ 13:45 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I haven't been banned either.

If you download the KreonChecker, you can check if the ss is bad or not right from your disc. Just extract the ss and then with XBC, Schtrom, or Mulleter then check it. And don't go by what games are in the article. You should check all your backups. It only takes a couple of seconds for each disc. I have a copy of Americas Army, which I made myself, which has a bad ss.

It hasn't been proven that this is the absolute reason for getting banned, but that it is very easy for a bad ss to be detected and can easily be one of the culprets.
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3. December 2007 @ 13:46 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
When people give me a link for KreonChecker, they give me something called stealth360uploader. That's not the same thing is it? Do you have a link for KreonChecker?


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3. December 2007 @ 14:40 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Go to the link in my first post. Then click on the kreonchecker in the first post of that thread.
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3. December 2007 @ 15:53 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Ya I just got the link from someone on the #stealth360 Channel on the IRC! Thanks!


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