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DVD dual layer drive - how to copy DVD9 to DVD9 ?
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johnlintz
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7. January 2008 @ 16:49 |
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Ok so I now have a nice new laptop which has a DVD drive capable of writing dual layer DVD's.
So how do I go about copying a DVD dual layer movie (DVD9) to a blank DVD dual layer disc (DVD9)?
I cannot find anything on this site other than copying DVD9 to DVD5.
But this requires re-encoding and loss of quality and is therefore time consuming.
Now I have a DVD drive that can write dual layer discs, then surely I can copy DVD9 to DVD9 ?
Presumably I would need to rip the movie first to remove the copy protection ?
Years ago I used DVD Rebuilder etc to copy a DVD9 movie to a DVD5 blank disc by following the guide on Afterdawn.
But this was tedious on my slow, old laptop and it took forever.
So I have never bothered copying DVD's since.
How much are blank DVD9 discs and where's best to get them ?
Am I best buying a particular brand ?
I had a quick look on PC World website but it doesnt even distinguish between DVD5 and DVD9 discs, it just says DVD+R or DVD-R.
This is all new to me so maybe DVD9 discs are not that common and very expensive ?
My new laptop is a Dell Inspirion 1520 and the DVD drive is a PBDS DVD+-RW DS-8W1P.
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7. January 2008 @ 18:42 |
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Amir89
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8. January 2008 @ 05:15 |
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Four things:
One:
If you want to copy DVD9 movies onto Dual Layer discs, than you can use the following programs:
-Nero Recode
-Clone DVD
-DVDXCopy
-Img Burn(free)
I recommend Nero Recode and Img Burn, both will you give excellent results and are very simple to use.
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You will need to decrypt them (remove copy protection), you can use either:
-AnyDVD:
Commercial software, beats any type of protection, compatible with HD-DVD/Blu-Ray. It can also Rip DVD's to your HD
-DVDFab Decrypter:
Same features as above, only it's free.
Three:
Dual Layer DVD's have well and truly established themselves as a distinct format. Their price has dropped dramatically, these days you can get spindles of 20 for around $12-$15, from brands like TDK, Sony and Verbatim.
Best brand is probably Verbatim, they use the highest-quality manufacturers and also supported burning DL discs at 8X-16X speed, faster than the rest.
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I cannot find anything on this site other than copying DVD9 to DVD5.
But this requires re-encoding and loss of quality and is therefore time consuming.
Not necessarily true.
Until DVD+R DL's prices truly drop to around 0.25c-0.50c a disc like with regular DVD+R's, DVD5's are the cheaper and in most cases more sensible option for backing up DVD movies.
If you've got an ordinary 68-80cm, Non-HD Television, than 90% of the time your not going to be able to tell the difference between a DVD9 and shrunken DVD5.
If you get rid of extras, subtitles and unnecessary audio tracks you can pretty much squeeze the quality back up to around 75% or more of original source most of the time, which is reasonably good and decent enough for backups unless your a complete videophile and are obsessed with quality.
Most of the "One-Click Copy" apps like Nero Recode, DVD Shrink, DVDXCopy, Clone DVD can do this for you very well and are straightforward to use.
I used Nero Recode myself in conjunction with AnyDVD, even though I can burn Dual Layer discs, I rarely do as most of the films I back up look the same as the original 9 times out of 10, sometimes even with all the extras.
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8. January 2008 @ 05:36 |
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I don't burn DL discs, but ImgBurn is supposed to be the best at handeling the layer break point-better than Nero.
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johnlintz
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8. January 2008 @ 07:41 |
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Thankyou to everyone for your posts, especially Amir89.
It seems that even tho my DVD writer can use dual layer discs, I am unlikely to use them very often.
If I did try using DVD9 discs (even just for data backup), would I need to worry about whether its a + or - type ?
The manual for the DVD writer says it will write DVD+/-R/DL but for DVD-RDL it only writes 'disc at once'.
See...[url=http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/storage/P137851/en/spec.htm][/url]
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bean55
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8. January 2008 @ 11:05 |
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My experience is that it will not matter on - or + for data backups.For video I prefer the +R so I can booktype the disc to be more compatible.
For 1 step easy copy I use DVDFab Platinum, it was worth the money and it is constantly updated.
bean55
The underline link goes to an old post here is a updated link to DVDFab if you want to check it out http://www.dvdfab.com/
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Amir89
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9. January 2008 @ 03:01 |
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DVD+R DL and DVD-R DL are identical, the difference is in compatibility.
If your just going to use these discs for your computer than it really doesn't matter if their plus or minus as your drive will read them fine.
Standalone DVD Players could have some trouble reading DVD-R discs (if make backups of movies, etc), usually if their older models.
To be on the safe side, use DVD+R's as their always more compatible with most drives.
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9. January 2008 @ 04:29 |
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actually its the other way around the DVD dash R(and its dash NOT minus lol) are more compatible than the DVD plus R with older standalone DVD players. however you can booktype the DVD plus R to DVD-ROM to make them more compatible. I would recommend using the DVD+R DL though and booktype them if you have playback problems also remember to burn the DL disc at 4x max.
using a DVD-5 compared to a DVD-9 makes the most since being a blank dvd-9 runs about 1.75 compared to a dvd-5 which is about 24 cents each doing the movie only you can use a blank dvd-5 probably 95% of the time and be fine
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Amir89
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9. January 2008 @ 09:45 |
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No it is minus, look on your keyboard, there's no such thing as a "Dash Key", its the minus symbol, hence it's DVD Minus R or DVD Plus R, not 'dash'. Dash is not a mathematical symbol my friend lol, it's just the incorrect American usage.
Second, your wrong DVD+R's are generally more recognizable by most drives. DVD-R's were the first recordable, standalone DVD's on the market and as such use older, unrefined technologies.
DVD+R's use the ADIP (ADdress In Pregroove) system of tracking and speed control being less susceptible to interference and error than the LPP (Land Pre Pit) system used by DVD-R.
DVD+R also has a more robust error management system than DVD-R, and their additional session linking methods are more accurate versus DVD-R, resulting in fewer damaged or unusable discs.
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9. January 2008 @ 13:56 |
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9. January 2008 @ 14:08 |
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Originally posted by johnlintz:
Ok so I now have a nice new laptop which has a DVD drive capable of writing dual layer DVD's.
So how do I go about copying a DVD dual layer movie (DVD9) to a blank DVD dual layer disc (DVD9)?
I cannot find anything on this site other than copying DVD9 to DVD5.
But this requires re-encoding and loss of quality and is therefore time consuming.
Now I have a DVD drive that can write dual layer discs, then surely I can copy DVD9 to DVD9 ?
Presumably I would need to rip the movie first to remove the copy protection ?
Years ago I used DVD Rebuilder etc to copy a DVD9 movie to a DVD5 blank disc by following the guide on Afterdawn.
But this was tedious on my slow, old laptop and it took forever.
So I have never bothered copying DVD's since.
How much are blank DVD9 discs and where's best to get them ?
Am I best buying a particular brand ?
I had a quick look on PC World website but it doesnt even distinguish between DVD5 and DVD9 discs, it just says DVD+R or DVD-R.
This is all new to me so maybe DVD9 discs are not that common and very expensive ?
My new laptop is a Dell Inspirion 1520 and the DVD drive is a PBDS DVD+-RW DS-8W1P.
I recommend the combination of AnyDVD and CloneCD for dual layers and I only recommend Verbatim DVD+R DLs for media. CloneCD maintains the original layer break whereas other programs do not.
Both are retail programs but do have a fully functional 21 day free trial.
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Amir89
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9. January 2008 @ 14:21 |
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ZoSoIV:
Did you even read the links you gave me yourself because you just undid your argument right there.
According to the claims of the DVD Alliance, using a DVD+R/+RW recorder will let you do the following:
1. Instantly eject without having to wait for finalized formatting.
2. Ability to record one DVD disc partially on PC and partially on television.
3. Background formatting: while the disc is being formatted, you can simultaneously record on already-formatted portions of the same disc.
4. Enhanced ability to edit filenames, movie and song titles, and playlists.
5. 100% compatibility with all other DVD players, while still enjoying these extra recording features.
Yeah... I rest my case.
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9. January 2008 @ 14:55 |
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However, because the DVD-R format has been in use since 1997, it has had a five-year lead on DVD+R. As such, older or cheaper DVD players (up to 2004 vintage) are more likely to favour the DVD-R standard exclusively, and when creating DVDs for distribution (where the playing unit is unknown or older) the DVD-R format would normally be preferable.
and as i said its DVD DASH R not minus
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HMM...interesting dilemma! DASH or MINUS!
Since it does not have any technical correlation , I think it can be called even DVD "horizontal little line R". Who gives a fudsicle about it anyway! I don't think one is "right" and the other "wrong". Who sets all this political correctness standards crap anyway? If I say "minus" and someone says I am wrong, or I say "dash" and they say is not correct, either way, they better have a good, technical explanation, and not just some mambo-jambo crap that says "it is the politically correct way to pronounce it, look on this website, it says so."!
Some came out with the conspiracy theory that the DVDRW Alliance came with the "+" as a marketing strategy against DVD-R marketed by DVD Forum: it's "plus", is better. The Alliance says "+" was chosen because "-" was taken already. If DVD+R were not existing, I don't think "minus" would be an issue, but paralleling the theory that "plus" has a connotation of superiority, then "minus" would somehow mean inferiority.
So,I guess they spread around the "is not minus, is dash" non sense. I guess we should not call ones criminals or crooks, we should call them unsavory characters,or ethically chalanged, people are not handicapped anymore, are just "physically challenged", or "disabled", even though they still park in "handicapped reserved spaces", use handicapped accesible vans, bathrooms...
If someone tells you again "is not minus, is dash", you can tell them is not "plus" is "cross".
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10. January 2008 @ 01:19 |
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isnt it a dvd hyphen R?
although going on opposites we say plus + R so opposite to plus is minus. but thats assuming + was first out, when dash/minus/hyphen was first out, hmmm...
but who gives a flying fart, not me... lol
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Originally posted by Rotary:
isnt it a dvd hyphen R?
although going on opposites we say plus + R so opposite to plus is minus. but thats assuming + was first out, when dash/minus/hyphen was first out, hmmm...
but who gives a flying fart, not me... lol
Exactly!
As for the hyphen...too big to be a hyphen, but I am not sure if it is an "en dash" or "em dash"!!
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10. January 2008 @ 01:40 |
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i spose its like walking down the street and i see "A" person walking towards me, now i know by visually looking what sex the biped is, i dont need to know the man or woman terminology...
only problem is like CMC MAG dvdrs (these can be sexually challenged) even themselves have no idea what they are! but they do a good impression of a coaster i found.
moral of the story...
like alot of things theres always the exception to the rule... lol
Nothing here to see, move along folks.
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10. January 2008 @ 01:43 |
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cyprusrom/guys I know it doesn't matter and its not that big of a deal but DVD dash R is still the correct term. I'm sure our friend joeryan can explain it better than me. I believe the DVD plus R was made because they didn't want to pay the royalties to the DVD dash R format and i it was Pioneer who introduced the DVD plus R format
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being or going on the - was here first in the noted race of the format war, i recon that the - "minus/dash/hyphen" for this instance i will just call it blardy blar not "minus/dash/hyphen" they use it just as space situation to break up the dvdr word to dvd-r and put the lesser looking symbol in, how its interpreted came later in talking about the new found format.
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See, that's my point, is "potatoe" or "potato" ? Unless the term "dash" is used to denote something technical , meaning which otherwise would be lost if one uses "minus", you can't say "minus" is incorrect, just because "that's the way it is, the way that people that set trends, or the ones that write the dictionary of politically correct speach, tell us is the the way it should be" .
For ecample, R stands for recordable; RW is Re-Writable. R and RW have specifical technical meanings. What's the meaning of "dash"? What makes "minus" incorrect? To be honest, I always wondered.
If someone has a technical explanation, not just "is the correct way, read the articles", I would like to know it.
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10. January 2008 @ 02:11 |
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so... the peeps who made the second type format looked at the "symbol" of - and thought we will go opposite and use +, this in itself stabbing the other compnay making it opposites and in effect a MINUS product. like shunning the - for there better +, it could of started as a dash/hypen more over than a minus, and as the 2 symbols progressed/war evolved became a minus, a lesser product, as advertizing is all about getting in ones head!
like with video BETAMAX or VHS we all know BETAMAX was the best high qauilty tape, but advertizing got the lesser in of vhs shite.
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10. January 2008 @ 02:14 |
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cyprusrom
I PM ed JoeRyan he will explain to us why DVD dash R is the correct term soon.
and lol Rotary i still have a beta machine
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Some came out with the conspiracy theory that the DVDRW Alliance came with the "+" as a marketing strategy against DVD-R marketed by DVD Forum: it's "plus", is better. The Alliance says "+" was chosen because "-" was taken already. If DVD+R were not existing, I don't think "minus" would be an issue, but paralleling the theory that "plus" has a connotation of superiority, then "minus" would somehow mean inferiority
This is my explanation, like I said in my post above, and like Rotary says, it's all about advertizing. That's my take on it!
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10. January 2008 @ 04:56 |
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Haha, DVD "Hyphen" R... I like that one.
Okay look you guys are right, we kinda went overboard.
When to comes to optical disc formats and their terminology there's too much damn ambiguity and not enough laid out rules.
Let's put it to rest.
Like I said though, "Dash" is the American pronunciation, and Minus is more of the British English term. Since I live in Australia were more inclined to go with British English over here.
Besides, nobody calls DVD+R, DVD "Cross" R's, so the correct opposite of plus is minus.
Anyways.. I'll make sure to inform people from now on that there's several takes on the pronunciation lol.
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