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Next-gen format war is officially over
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article published on 16 February, 2008
First reported by the Japanese public broadcaster NHK and later confirmed by Toshiba itself, the next-gen format war between HD DVD and Blu-ray is finally over, with Toshiba planning on stopping production of HD DVD players.
The battle, which has raged on for the last couple of years, has often been compared to the Betamax-VHS battle of the MID 1980's and has slowed down the development ... [ read the full article ]
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18. February 2008 @ 13:35 |
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Originally posted by UkWizard:
...What we need to kill sony is for nintendo and microsoft to join forces and the final touches would be sega coming back to join.
Yeah then the Nintendo Wii 2 can get the "red ring of death" failure too :-)
The day nintendo bring out a machine with real graphics and proper hd will be the day when sega comes back. To be honest I think the wii will be the last nintendo console. What's the point in buying a wii if all they bring out is mario or zelda.
obviously nintendo has enough graphics and hd for the average consumer, even if it's just 480p. someone else posted that the new sonic was crap, but they probably played the supposedly awful "next-gen" game. sonic and the secret rings for wii was very different and very fun. with third-pary titles like no more heroes, wii seems to have plenty real "gamers' games." i don't think it's nintendo's last console; on the contrary, i think nintendo have used the wii to pull themselves out of the hole they've dug over the past 10 or so years.
more on topic, all i can say is score one for the mpaa.
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18. February 2008 @ 14:28 |
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According to Japanese financial and business publication Nikkei (and reported by engadget) the final announcement from Toshiba will be made tomorrow by the head honcho himself, Toshiba president Atsutoshi Nishida.
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/tos...rrow-stop-sale/
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Despite Red's inability to make any real public statement, Japanese publication Nikkei has it that Toshiba president Atsutoshi Nishida will be announcing the final discontinuation of HD DVD tomorrow, as well as halted sales of hardware and media by March (as in days from now). Apparently Toshiba will pull its units from retail shelves, but has no intention to give burned early adopters any refunds (no kidding?); it sounds like the ceasefire will include the bare PC drives as well, so those hoping to keep using HD DVD as a personal data storage medium probably won't have much luck. Apparently the announcement will come alongside Toshiba's plans to build new semiconductor fabs, which we're sure they'll try to spin as an advancement that far overshadows the hill of beans (read: hundreds of millions) they've lost in the format war.
Those wanting to get backup players should buy their units soon.
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18. February 2008 @ 15:54 |
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This is truly sad. The winner was not decided by the consumer but by Sony's bank account. The format that the people want is the format that lost. This seriously marks a blow to consumerism and it's strugle with conglomerates like Sony.
80% of all BD players out there are ps3s, so what does this tell you? Only 20% actually went out and bought a BD player because they supported BD. Whereas all HDDVD units are standalone players except for a tiny portion of the xbox addon. SO why didn't the product that the consumers wanted win the war?
Sony bought everyone. Don't even try to argue, don't even try to defend this with 'official statements'- Sony paid Warner to move over. despite what they say, Sony saw that Warner was the key and they knew if they had Warner it would cause a landslide effect. So Sony paid in a large lump sum in cash to Warner and Warner went BD only.
They Netflix, then blockbuster. Then Wal-Mart, which obviously is the most important outlet, i'm pretty sure SOny paid them too. If Wal-Mart went HDDVD only, then the war would have gone the other way.
It's very said BD won.
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18. February 2008 @ 16:06 |
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Originally posted by BurningAs:
This is truly sad. The winner was not decided by the consumer but by Sony's bank account. The format that the people want is the format that lost. This seriously marks a blow to consumerism and it's strugle with conglomerates like Sony.
you mean the format you wanted ? I certainly didn't want HD-DVD . I fail to find any logic or evidence in your argument.where is your evidence that HD-DVD is what the majority of people wanted ? did you do a world wide straw poll ? if the consumer public wanted HD-DVD then why the hell didn't they buy more HD-DVD discs ? there were just as many HD-DVD discs for sale as blu ray yet they were still outbought by Blu Ray on every continent on the planet, by 9:1 in japan by 7:1 in Europe and by 7:4 in the USA - end of story.
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18. February 2008 @ 16:08 |
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hughjars......
face it man its over. theres nothing left for hd-dvd to do besides sell of remiaing stock.
Peace, and sorry all you hd-dvd fans, i know this sucks for you nut its over.
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18. February 2008 @ 16:28 |
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Originally posted by BurningAs:
The winner was not decided by the consumer but by Sony's bank account. The format that the people want is the format that lost.
Actually the "consumer" that you're referring to that bought HD DVD players is a small population of early adaptors and AV enthusiasts.
The "regular consumer" or "J6P" doesn't have the slightest idea of what HD DVD or BluRay is. The regular consumer consisting of a large proportion of the population is content with his SD TV and his regular DVD player and VCR. To say that the regular consumer was interested or even aware of the format war is inaccurate.
Plus some of these HD DVD owners also bought BluRay players and dual-format players - like myself.
So the correct statement would be "The format war winner was not decided by the small population of AV enthusisasts that own high-def players."
One million or so HD DVD owners is a tiny drop in the big bucket of consumer electronics.
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18. February 2008 @ 20:52 |
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Simple. Slysoft will do what they do best and release an update just as they do with DVD's.
- Well as I said earlier, I hope you're right about that.
We'll see.
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Why would you doubt a company (Slysoft) that has not yet failed to provide? It's not like they have a track record of not delivering.
- I guess it's because BD+ is an entirely different animal to what we have seen to date.
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Again,I guess Slysoft don't know what they are talking about[/url] but you do?
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- I know that a movie can be put on a HDD and played from there (but only if you have the original in your machine) but that's only 'ripping' in a manner of speaking
(and therefore not what most of us would consider a rip I'd dare say).
I have yet to see anyone say BD+'s completely defeated and you can then take those files & share them.
I have seen BD+ movies taken from 'HDMI capture' (at a cost in quality) but not seen BD+ defeated in the way AACS was with HD DVD to enable sharing.
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19. February 2008 @ 03:06 |
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It's over folks.
Here's the official press release from Toshiba:
http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2008_02/pr1903.htm
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Toshiba Announces Discontinuation of HD DVD Businesses
19 February, 2008
Company Remains Focused on Championing Consumer Access to High Definition Content
TOKYO--Toshiba Corporation today announced that it has undertaken a thorough review of its overall strategy for HD DVD and has decided it will no longer develop, manufacture and market HD DVD players and recorders. This decision has been made following recent major changes in the market. Toshiba will continue, however, to provide full product support and after-sales service for all owners of Toshiba HD DVD products.
HD DVD was developed to offer consumers access at an affordable price to high-quality, high definition content and prepare them for the digital convergence of tomorrow where the fusion of consumer electronics and IT will continue to progress.
"We carefully assessed the long-term impact of continuing the so-called 'next-generation format war' and concluded that a swift decision will best help the market develop," said Atsutoshi Nishida, President and CEO of Toshiba Corporation. "While we are disappointed for the company and more importantly, for the consumer, the real mass market opportunity for high definition content remains untapped and Toshiba is both able and determined to use our talent, technology and intellectual property to make digital convergence a reality."
Toshiba will continue to lead innovation, in a wide range of technologies that will drive mass market access to high definition content. These include high capacity NAND flash memory, small form factor hard disk drives, next generation CPUs, visual processing, and wireless and encryption technologies. The company expects to make forthcoming announcements around strategic progress in these convergence technologies.
Toshiba will begin to reduce shipments of HD DVD players and recorders to retail channels, aiming for cessation of these businesses by the end of March 2008. Toshiba also plans to end volume production of HD DVD disk drives for such applications as PCs and games in the same timeframe, yet will continue to make efforts to meet customer requirements. The company will continue to assess the position of notebook PCs with integrated HD DVD drives within the overall PC business relative to future market demand.
This decision will not impact on Toshiba's commitment to standard DVD, and the company will continue to market conventional DVD players and recorders. Toshiba intends to continue to contribute to the development of the DVD industry, as a member of the DVD Forum, an international organization with some 200 member companies, committed to the discussion and defining of optimum optical disc formats for the consumer and the related industries.
Toshiba also intends to maintain collaborative relations with the companies who joined with Toshiba in working to build up the HD DVD market, including Universal Studios, Paramount Pictures, and DreamWorks Animation and major Japanese and European content providers on the entertainment side, as well as leaders in the IT industry, including Microsoft, Intel, and HP. Toshiba will study possible collaboration with these companies for future business opportunities, utilizing the many assets generated through the development of HD DVD.
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9. April 2008 @ 15:37 |
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We will keep you updated on any word from Microsoft, Paramount, or Universal as to this latest word from Toshiba but for now it seems that all that can be said is R.I.P HD DVD.
What a sad day mark the 17 Feb as end of the format war. The question that still lies is that after Toshiba leaves HD DVD behind will they eventually go to Blu-ray?
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9. April 2008 @ 17:29 |
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Dead topic dude.
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9. April 2008 @ 17:34 |
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Yea, along with all the other ones he's dug up from the dead!
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9. April 2008 @ 17:49 |
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Originally posted by goodswipe:
Yea, along with all the other ones he's dug up from the dead!
i know guys that these are dead topics what can i say i am behind in my article reading. My time at afterdawn is not what it used to be so thats whi like to read every article even if that means its gonna take me awhile.
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