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Toshiba confirms dropping of HD DVD
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article published on 19 February, 2008
Toshiba has officially announced that the company will no longer develop, manufacture and market HD DVD players and recorders. After many unofficial announcements by different sources, the company has confirmed in a press release that the development of HD DVD has ended. Toshiba will be reducing the shipments of HD DVD players towards the cessation by the end of March 2008.
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horrabin
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19. February 2008 @ 10:02 |
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Originally posted by z0diac:
Personally I wishd HD-DVD had won - I just hate the name "bluray". Sounds retarded...
Plus Blu-Ray discs put their data RIGHT below the surface of the media, so they're much more prone to scratch damage. On the upside, they hold more data.
I'm just glad all the confusion on what format to buy is now over. But "Blu-Ray" still sounds stupid. :P
Actually, the hd-dvd discs were more prone to scratching - blu-ray discs have a thicker protective coating - you can feel the difference between the two. I recently read that Netflix was having a tough time because of hd-dvd discs having such a short lifespan - I'll see if I can find the link for you.
Oh, and "blu-ray" may sound stupid but, in reality, so does "hd-dvd" considering it's a redundant name or, to the less informed, implies that dvd's can't handle high-definition content - the only difference is the amount of space.
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hughjars
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19. February 2008 @ 10:10 |
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Originally posted by horrabin:
Actually, the hd-dvd discs were more prone to scratching
- No more "prone" than a regular DVD.
They are physically identical in that respect.
Originally posted by horrabin:
blu-ray discs have a thicker protective coating
- .....and there is no reason why (besides greed) that that coating should not be applied to all disc products.
Blu-ray has it out of total necessity, not as some sort of 'perk'.
Originally posted by horrabin:
I recently read that Netflix was having a tough time because of hd-dvd discs having such a short lifespan
- They are no different to DVD.
Netflix switched cos they got a hell of a good deal on stock & replacements.
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Gnawnivek
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19. February 2008 @ 10:21 |
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- That's highly unlikely but even if it did, buy another one, even cheaper.
You can still get Betamaz, VHS & Laserdisc players, you know?
No, i didn't know and that's my point... Not only i didn't know, even if i know, i'm not dumb enough to think it's all good. Yes, it's probably cheap on the secondary market, but there's still no supports/warranties. And, worse of all, the players are not streamlined, i.e. you're buying the last gen (i'm sorry, you gotta have some sort of fetish love for your softwares to do something like that).
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Or buy another HD DVD player cheap now to tuck away.
True, i can buy another, but i'm not going down that road... My hd-dvd collection is fairly small, about 50 discs or something. I'm gonna keep them as they are, by the time my hd-dvd add-on dies, the movies should be available on BDs already, so if i really like them, double dip.
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But I think some people will end up very sorry.
i guess i'm not one of those some people then...
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Region coding will now come in everywhere and BD+ will too (no prizes for guessing why they held off using it much so far).
That's the sharing community shafted & the BD ownership broken up into nice little easily exploited groupings.
I'm sorry, i live in the US and i think US makes more mvoies and usually better than over seas (i know this is very flaming, but stop and think for a moment, i said usually). So, region coding is quite irrelevant for me (for small number of popular over sea movies, like Pan's Labyrinth, they get released over here anyway, so basically, i'm all covered). Besides, i agree with the notion that if it's man made (or woman), then it can be broken (or flawed). So yes, BDs can be cracked/hacked, just matter of times. Stop complaining, just b/c BDs are harder to crack/hack, you can use that reason to hate the format. Where is that "love the challenges" attitude?
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You do know that sometimes you really should be careful what you wish for, right?
you sound like everyone who got a BD player or a PS3 is a Sony fanboy/fangirl... Does it ever occur to you that people buy the product b/c they actually like it?
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The only good thing as far as I can see is that it's all too late for Blu-ray anyways.
They will not have a mass-market-friendly range of final spec players until well into next year (which means they are 3 years in already).
HD TV services with a DVR are the big deal & selling with almost every HD TV this time around anyways.
Blu-ray has missed the bus on this one, thankfully.
Let's just put it this way... HD DVRs are still expensive, not to mention the channels are limited. HD TVs with DVRs are meaningless, it's like a TV with VCR build in rather than TV with dvd player build in). Unless you're talking about HD TVs with HD DVRs. Just to let you know that not all DVRs can record HD programs... Also, the PS3 (of course, the center of Blu-ray) didn't really miss the bus on this one, it's already happening in Japan.
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19. February 2008 @ 10:32 |
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Oh no here we go again. Look people and BD fanboys all across afterdawn.... Blu Ray may have won the format war with HD DVD or has it. Let's get back to reality here. What has Blu Ray actually won? Nothing. People will view movies in whatever format they can so it doesn't matter. These same studios agreeing to publish movies on BD aren't stupid. That's why the movies are still being published on standard DVD as well. People on here act as if HD DVD was a total loss. The player still doubles as an upconverting DVD player and Blu Ray will never take the place nor the popularity of standard DVD to the value based consumer. The war is over but it was all a sham as well as a waste of money and time. They both still play DVD. BD fans just seem to have purchased a very high priced one. Now it's gonna turn out just like I stated. Were all gonna be on here trying to find out how to back up and burn BD in which currently isn't possible. Now that we gave away some of our freedom for a format...we just gave Sony the right to pretty much do whatever they want with DRM on BD. So good luck with that "fair use right" cause things are about to be tough. That HD DVD player that you didn't want to buy in favor of BD....I highly suggest you purchase it right away. Cause for people, programmers at Slysoft, and many others like me.....they are going to be on our asses. Congrats.... you've just sold your soul. For any of you HD DVD owners out there I would just stick to the standard DVD versions of the newer movies. Just keep adding to your existing DVD collection.
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ukchap
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19. February 2008 @ 10:35 |
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blu-ray is so much better and sony is the best...im glad the better format one...you cant keep compete with the one and only...sony...
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horrabin
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19. February 2008 @ 10:38 |
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Originally posted by hughjars:
- .....and there is no reason why (besides greed) that that coating should not be applied to all disc products.
Blu-ray has it out of total necessity, not as some sort of 'perk'.
Relax. I wasn't implying that it was a 'perk' - I was merely stating a fact - if the coating is needed, then I would say it's a good thing that it's provided - maybe other manufacturers should follow the lead.
Originally posted by hughjars:
- They are no different to DVD.
Netflix switched cos they got a hell of a good deal on stock & replacements.
I'm no expert, believe me - I was simply recounting that I'd read that hd-dvd's suffered a higher failure rate during the rental processes. In fact, a few responses to the posts actually accused blu-ray fanbois of damaging the discs intentionally. That's how ridiculous things get.
Also, I wasn't trying to say that was the reason behind Netflix's switch. In fact, I wasn't trying to address that in the least. However, regardless of what some people want to believe, occasionally (and I'm not saying this is the case here because there's no way for anyone other than insiders to know) business decisions are really made based on sales and demand. I know that's a crazy notion but it has been known to happen.
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19. February 2008 @ 10:49 |
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- you sound like everyone who got a BD player or a PS3 is a Sony fanboy/fangirl... Does it ever occur to you that people buy the product b/c they actually like it?
well said, i have a ps3 and i love it but i dont see myself as a fan boy ot that big into gaming but i was in the market for a console and the ps3 looked like a better deal to me, the last time i played xbox was about 5 years ago, what i saw on the screen looked fine but i couldnt get the hang of the controller so i stuck with what i know (playstation).
i wasnt looking for a highdef movie plyer but i figured you get one bundled with the ps3 a no extra aftersale cost, if i had bought the 360 and later decided i wanted to watch movies it would cost me around $470 (system + add on player) which is more than he 40gb ps3 and only slightly less than the 80gb.
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Gnawnivek
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19. February 2008 @ 11:16 |
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- you sound like everyone who got a BD player or a PS3 is a Sony fanboy/fangirl... Does it ever occur to you that people buy the product b/c they actually like it?
well said, i have a ps3 and i love it but i dont see myself as a fan boy ot that big into gaming but i was in the market for a console and the ps3 looked like a better deal to me, the last time i played xbox was about 5 years ago, what i saw on the screen looked fine but i couldnt get the hang of the controller so i stuck with what i know (playstation).
i wasnt looking for a highdef movie plyer but i figured you get one bundled with the ps3 a no extra aftersale cost, if i had bought the 360 and later decided i wanted to watch movies it would cost me around $470 (system + add on player) which is more than he 40gb ps3 and only slightly less than the 80gb.
Kudos... i bought my PS3 for pretty the same reasons, but more... I know that i'll be doing a lot of home made HD films (you know the usuals, kids' b'days, graduations etc...) and i'm all for the AVCHD format. So, the PS3 handles my BD/gaming needs as well as priceless AVCHD segments. Also, upgrading to a 250 gb hdd on the PS3 is cheap and simple (try to do that on the X360... well, now you know why i left my X360 at 20gb).
Of course, i don't have anything against folks happy with the dvd formats, but you're missing something, Hi-Def! If anyone still think dvd or upconverted dvds are comparable to hi-def (not price, but quality), well, obviously, HD is not for you.
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19. February 2008 @ 11:35 |
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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
Let's just put it this way... HD DVRs are still expensive
- No they aren't.
In the UK Sky TV are now doing their HD TV box for £99 = $198.
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
not to mention the channels are limited.
- It still works out a lot cheaper than the occasional expensive Blu-ray disc & an expensive Blu-ray player (God knows which stand-alone you'd want to buy .....and no, I don't want a game console)
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
HD TVs with DVRs are meaningless, it's like a TV with VCR build in rather than TV with dvd player build in. Unless you're talking about HD TVs with HD DVRs.
- Why would anyone with an HD TV not want HD on their HD TV all the time?
Even their ability to upscale regular SD TV works out pretty good.
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
Just to let you know that not all DVRs can record HD programs.
- Mine does, it has a 320gb HDD which allows plenty of room for them and they can easily be upgraded to 1TB if necessary.
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
Also, the PS3 (of course, the center of Blu-ray) didn't really miss the bus on this one, it's already happening in Japan.
- You can try and preach away til your heart's content but Japan is not the centre of the universe and they often do things few others pick up on.
They didn't ditch Betamax there until 2002!
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
Of course, i don't have anything against folks happy with the dvd formats, but you're missing something, Hi-Def!
- Like as if a Blu-ray device is the only route to high def.
*rolls eyes*
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
If anyone still think dvd or upconverted dvds are comparable to hi-def (not price, but quality), well, obviously, HD is not for you.
- Anyone with a 32" - 50" HD TV is going to be just fine with HD TV services, downloading high def, downloading ripped high def encodes and upscaled SD DVD
(which with a 90:1 content advantage - that's both high def formats combined so it's really 180:1 compared to Blu-ray - we'll all be watching new SD DVDs for a long time to come anyways - as well as our existing SD DVD collections).
We don't 'need' Blu-ray and it most certainly is not the only way to get good high def content.
In fact some Blu-ray movies are so underwhelming that it honestly is really hard to see much of an improvement over upscale
(unless you are in the tiny minority & have a truly massive HD TV - which most of us will never bother with).
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19. February 2008 @ 11:41 |
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Originally posted by error5:
The numbers they revealed were interesting though:
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Q: How many HD DVD players and recorders, exactly, did you sell?
A: 600,000 players in the US -- 300,000 of which were Xbox 360 HD DVD drives. 100,000 units were sold in Europe. And about 10,000 players and 20,000 recorders in Japan. So about 730,000 units worldwide.
US - 600k units
Europe - 100k units
Japan - 30,000 units
Xbox 360 drives (worldwide) - 300k
PCs with HD DVD (worldwide) - 300k
Is that all they sold? 730K units worldwide. This is straight from the horse's mouth right?
No wonder HD DVD couldn't get any leverage with the Nielsen numbers. Just goes to show that cheaper players don't neccesarily mean better sales. It also means that amazon rankings mean absolutely nothing.
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Gnawnivek
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19. February 2008 @ 11:56 |
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Hughjar, you're really something... first you whine about Blu-ray, now that it won the format war, you onto something else, HD DVRs. For goodness sake, your freaking HD DVR logics can be easily applied to your beloved hd-dvd format as well.
Now, with your DVR posts, so what it cost $200, it's not like you don't have to pay monthly premiums for it. Secondly, no, my DVR doesn't do HDs and my TV does. Do like like a HD DVR? Sure, as long as my bill is under $50 a month for TV programs. You have to understand that it's not that people don't want HD TVs with HD DVRs, even with $200 HD DVRs, you still have to pay the premium and that's the turn off point for me.
Also, i realized that close captioning is not available in HD broadcast (yes, i'm one of the anal ones who like to know what was being said, especially watching something for the 2nd time, Boston Legal is a perfect example, love the Brit accent, but need to slow down a bit to understand the words). Perhaps this is fixed, perhaps not. Look, until hard drive format of the movies/shows have extras, subtitles, different language tracks, i'll stick to physical discs for the time being.
If you like your HD DVR, kudos to you... You know, if that's so mighty and all (the DVR), the first physical format to die is dvd and i don't see that happening at all.
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19. February 2008 @ 11:59 |
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Well said hughjars! Am in total agreeance that BR is definatly not the way forward, for the consumer!
BR is going to turn pretty anti consumer as the 'war' is now over!
Besides HD DVD are still extremely good, especially for upscaling, with there cost good compared with other upscalers, so there is no reason to get rid of them!
I'm sad the war didn't last long enough for M$ to get the onlien download service working better, even though they ahve already started a deal with paramount! Would have liked to see that take off! Alsa the war didn't last long enough!
If M$ bring out a 360 with a BR player in it, that is cheaper than the PS3, i can see the PS3 being destroyed!
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Sazaziel
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19. February 2008 @ 12:09 |
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- Anyone with a 32" - 50" HD TV is going to be just fine with HD TV services, downloading high def, downloading ripped high def encodes and upscaled SD DVD
(which with a 90:1 content advantage - that's both high def formats combined so it's really 180:1 compared to Blu-ray - we'll all be watching new SD DVDs for a long time to come anyways - as well as our existing SD DVD collections).
We don't 'need' Blu-ray and it most certainly is not the only way to get good high def content.
hughjars.....love your way of thinking. Point blank....Blu ray is not needed in order to watch HD content. Paramount is going the same route Microsoft is with the Xbox Live HD content download service. Along with this fact and the massive dvd collection that I have. I for one will not be starting my collection over in Blu ray and even as I have hd dvd it still didnt mean that I would waste more money to purchase movies that I already have.
But hey the people chose and dealing with Sony as always they will pay for it...literally and in any way they can get the money. So you BD fans better stay on the up and up or you'll find your @$$#$ in a lawsuit.
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19. February 2008 @ 12:09 |
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Who didn't see this coming after the Warner announcement I'm glad to move on but i wonder are the HD-DVD owners going to get support with some of Toshiba firmwares bricking people players & what about dual format movies that are freezing?
I fine it laughable of people bring up upscaled DVD's...Not even in the same neighborhood as Blu-Ray or HD-DVD so stop it because you can't find anyway to justify it.
Also downloading BD or HD movies are not what its cracked up to be & you could see your government knocking on your door downloading illegal content you don't own not to mention 720p files are 5 to 7 gigs 1080p files run 10gigs or more who in there right mind going to download all these files without getting a little notice from there ISP or MPAA? Just buy a Blu-Ray player & stop being cheap & buy movies but do some research before you buy it.The risk is not worth the reward.
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19. February 2008 @ 12:13 |
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R.I.P. HD-DVD
And to the individual that said that said about "data being right below surface of media"............Ummmmm............you need to back that claim up with something of substance because I don't think anyone thinks that is true AND regardless IF it is and IF you can confirm that, Sony's discs are virtually indestructible scratch proof. That is a fact and undisputed.
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..and the hits keep coming.
Universal is gearing up to go Blu
http://www.homemediamagazine.com/news/ht...rticle_id=12118
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At least one of the two studios exclusive to HD DVD is already gearing up to join the other team.
"While Universal values the close partnership we have shared with Toshiba, it is time to turn our focus to releasing new and catalog titles on Blu-ray," said Craig Kornblau, president of Universal Studios Home Entertainment.
"The path for widespread adoption of the next-generation platform has finally become clear. Universal will continue its aggressive efforts to broaden awareness for hi-def?s unparalleled offerings in interactivity and connectivity, at an increasingly affordable price. The emergence of a single, high-definition format is cause for consumers, as well as the entire entertainment industry, to celebrate."
Can Paramount be far behind?
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19. February 2008 @ 12:38 |
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Originally posted by MrXenu:
Well said hughjars! Am in total agreeance that BR is definatly not the way forward, for the consumer!
why is not for the consumer? just b/c it got complicated layers of copy right protection does make it anti-consumer. Hell, if one of my BDs can't play due to that reason, i'll be (anybody would) all over this.
Originally posted by MrXenu:
BR is going to turn pretty anti consumer as the 'war' is now over!
err, i don't understand... so BD is pro-consumer before and now all sudden anti-consumer b/c it won the format war? Look, just b/c BD won the war, it doesn't mean the prior BDs all sudden stop playing.
Originally posted by MrXenu:
Besides HD DVD are still extremely good, especially for upscaling, with there cost good compared with other upscalers, so there is no reason to get rid of them!
sigh, nobody said it's not a good upconverter... the point is, the initial purchase is not intended for upconverting, it just turned this way unfortunately. Personally, i'm okay with this reasoning, but it's really a self consolation argument.
Originally posted by MrXenu:
I'm sad the war didn't last long enough for M$ to get the onlien download service working better, even though they ahve already started a deal with paramount! Would have liked to see that take off! Alsa the war didn't last long enough!
Again, this has nothing to do with the HD format war... sigh, on-line downloads are on-line downloads, for goodness sake, it just need a hard drive. So even hd-dvd format dies, on-line demands will still continue the way it is...
Originally posted by MrXenu:
If M$ bring out a 360 with a BR player in it, that is cheaper than the PS3, i can see the PS3 being destroyed!
#1, not gonna happen
#2, even if it does, it will not destroy the PS3 (you gotta be a X360 fanboy to really believe that)
on the other hand, if MS doesn't do something about the X360, it will be destroyed... such as, better option for hdd upgrade, lower Live fees (or even free), RRoD reputation...
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..and the hits keep coming.
Universal is gearing up to go Blu
http://www.homemediamagazine.com/news/ht...rticle_id=12118
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At least one of the two studios exclusive to HD DVD is already gearing up to join the other team.
"While Universal values the close partnership we have shared with Toshiba, it is time to turn our focus to releasing new and catalog titles on Blu-ray," said Craig Kornblau, president of Universal Studios Home Entertainment.
"The path for widespread adoption of the next-generation platform has finally become clear. Universal will continue its aggressive efforts to broaden awareness for hi-def?s unparalleled offerings in interactivity and connectivity, at an increasingly affordable price. The emergence of a single, high-definition format is cause for consumers, as well as the entire entertainment industry, to celebrate."
Can Paramount be far behind?
Paramount can't do it yet, b/c they got the deal with MS, unless the terms of the contract can be changed or there's a big IF somewhere...
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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
Paramount can't do it yet, b/c they got the deal with MS, unless the terms of the contract can be changed or there's a big IF somewhere...
I think Paramount is looking for the keys to the warehouse where they kept the BluRay copies of Blades of Glory.
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19. February 2008 @ 12:58 |
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Originally posted by NexGen76:
downloading BD or HD movies are not what its cracked up to be & you could see your government knocking on your door downloading illegal content you don't own
- Thanks for that Nextgen but you can keep your threats and you ridiculous '1984' day-dreams to yourself.
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
Hughjar, you're really something... first you whine about Blu-ray
- Er, having legitimate concerns about the regional coding & security intent behind Blu-ray is not "whining".
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
now that it won the format war, you onto something else, HD DVRs.
- ....and you'd find, if you looked, that I have been saying for an age that HD TV services are the most likely winner this time around.
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For goodness sake, your freaking HD DVR logics can be easily applied to your beloved hd-dvd format as well.
- ........and I have never disputed that HD DVRs alter the market profoundly.
The difference with HD DVD was that thanks to the Twin disc (and to a lesser degree the combo) the switch to high def could be made without leaving anyone behind.
That can never happen with Blu-ray.
As usual you are not comparing like with like.
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
Now, with your DVR posts, so what it cost $200, it's not like you don't have to pay monthly premiums for it.
- S'funny, first up the Blu-ray fanclub came along sneering at those who don't want to pay Blu-ray prices as 'cheap' but now they imagine they have won something they change tack and are into attacking the 'format' they know is deadly to mass Blu-ray adoption.
Predictable and typical.
My Satellite TV (all channels) is cheap and very affordable and I am by no means very well off.
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Secondly, no, my DVR doesn't do HDs and my TV does.
- Then stop missing out (I think was your phrase) and get an HD DVR.
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
Do like like a HD DVR? Sure, as long as my bill is under $50 a month for TV programs.
- Don't be so cheap.
My Sky package costs £53/$106 mth for all channels.
But then I like HD on my TV all the time and I want an HD DVR that also upscales all the SD TV to my HD TV.
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
You have to understand that it's not that people don't want HD TVs with HD DVRs, even with $200 HD DVRs, you still have to pay the premium and that's the turn off point for me.
- I can assure you that it is not working that way here in the UK.
HD TVs are shifting Sky HD services at a rapid rate.
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
Look, until hard drive format of the movies/shows have extras, subtitles, different language tracks, i'll stick to physical discs for the time being.
- Good for you.
I'd lay large amounts of money that given the choice of spending £99/$198 on an HD DVR or £300/$400 on a PS3 (there are no final profile stand-alones for anyone to even look at) and an expensive occasional Blu-ray movie disc @ £18 - £24/$36 - $48 a pop most people will go for the HD DVR with their new HD TV.
HD on your HD TV all the time, you just can't beat it - and certainly not with an occasional movie......which once you've seen it how many more times are you going to watch it in the same month?
HD TV services make a lot more sense and offer so much more content.
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
if that's so mighty and all (the DVR), the first physical format to die is dvd and i don't see that happening at all.
- Well that's where you're wrong.
The 2nd death in this format war will be Blu-ray, it just isn't aware of it yet and hasn't fallen over yet.
SD DVD will outlast it, largely because it is so very much cheaper & so many of us have large SD DVD collections
(and they look pretty good upscaled on our 32" - 50" HD TVs).
HD DVD had a chance because it was the complete product & it got cheap enough fast enough.
Blu-ray isn't & it won't do that.
I like high def as much as anyone.
.....the problem is that with all the 'strings' Blu-ray comes with I'd just really rather not bother with it.
I'll just go elsewhere for my high def content.
Thanks. ;)
(and I suspect a hell of a lot of us early-adopting HD DVD owners will do likewise)
BTW Paramount have gone in with Microsoft (like many of the studios) and signed up to do the XBox HD downloads.
We already saw iTunes take only 3 months to catch & pass Blu-ray's sales.
So much for those who claim the nth degree of audio or visual quality is all to the mass-market and that downloads aren't going to amount to much!
The big irony is that we could have had 720p high def on DVD9 years ago and that may well be what we end up with as the dominant form.
It'll be interesting to see if Universal go for region coding & BD+.
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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
Paramount can't do it yet, b/c they got the deal with MS, unless the terms of the contract can be changed or there's a big IF somewhere...
Paramount sku's have already been turning up in some CE systems.
here's a short article from engadget.
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19. February 2008 @ 13:11 |
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Ah well a ps3 for me then. So what will happen with hd-dvd releases then will they stop or is it just the hardware that's being stopped. What about the people who already have hd-dvd players
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I still can't believe BR won. I really thought people would go for the lower cost involved with HDDVD. Now BR can do what they want with prices & BD+ since theres no competition anymore. I really liked the quality of the HD-A20. And to have them send updates in the mail , I thought was great(or the online download). Amazons had a sale going on 50% off of HDDVDs. 14.99 average is less than a regular DVD. I hope the price keeps dropping. I've got a combo BR/HD player in my new computer, but will never buy BR movies because Sony never paid me off. I'll stick with DVD'S & HDDVD'S.
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horrabin
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19. February 2008 @ 13:27 |
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Originally posted by hughjars:
I like high def as much as anyone.
.....the problem is that with all the 'strings' Blu-ray comes with I'd just really rather not bother with it.
I'll just go elsewhere for my high def content.
Thanks. ;)
(and I suspect a hell of a lot of us early-adopting HD DVD owners will
You know, I just don't understand all the hate. I'm in the states and so I guess none of the blu-ray 'strings' will affect me. I mean, dvd's have region codes and none of that has ever made a difference to me and I'm pretty sure that, eventually, it won't matter on blu-ray, either.
As I've stated, I'm into this for the movies - 1080p - uncompressed audio - plenty of special features - period. I understand brand loyalty but in this case it's moot. I had both formats - now I'll concentrate on blu. No big deal. Hey, Toshiba was the co-creator of the Cell processor in my PS3, anyway so, in a way, I'm still loyal to both sides.
And as far as a lot of hd-dvd early adopters going elsewhere for high-def content, even if they all went, I really don't think 749,999 adopters (minus me, of course) are going to make much of a difference. Then again, if, for whatever reason, they feel so inclined because of some irrational dislike for Sony, Panasonic and Pioneer (only to name a few in the BDA) then I don't think they were in this for the movies to begin with.
Honestly, I truly wish someone could explain the reasons behind the hate and fanaticism over something as innocuous as an entertainment medium.
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hughjars
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19. February 2008 @ 13:47 |
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Originally posted by horrabin:
You know, I just don't understand all the hate.
- Well there's your first error.
It's not "hate".
It's a reasoned legitimate series of concerns over the intent behind Blu-ray.
They began intending to recover the margins they once 'enjoyed' when DVD began and their BD+ and watermarking 'security' indicates further drift towards robbing the consumer of their rights.
(.....and note how quickly 'managed copy' has disappeared from this discussion - it was supposed to be one of the legitimate benefits of high def).
Originally posted by horrabin:
I'm in the states and so I guess none of the blu-ray 'strings' will affect me.
- How do you know?
They haven't really gotten going with it yet.
Would region coding not be something you would be affected by?
Would a system of 'fair use' & 'managed copy' be something you would not benefit from?
Originally posted by horrabin:
I mean, dvd's have region codes and none of that has ever made a difference to me
- That's because multi-region DVD has become a norm now, just like the security on DVD has been negated long ago.
Blu-ray has really only just started - but it started by deliberately trying to turn the clock back.
Originally posted by horrabin:
and I'm pretty sure that, eventually, it won't matter on blu-ray, either.
- You might be inclined to take this stuff on trust but I won't.
There is no 'rule' that says matters will not get worse.
Originally posted by horrabin:
if, for whatever reason, they feel so inclined because of some irrational dislike for Sony, Panasonic and Pioneer (only to name a few in the BDA) then I don't think they were in this for the movies to begin with.
- You're just using the words "irrational dislike" to avoid addressing the whole matter of previous behaviours (the Rootkits) and the potential Blu-ray has in this regard
(with the enormous space it allows for all sorts of horrific 'security' possibilities).
Originally posted by horrabin:
Honestly, I truly wish someone could explain the reasons behind the hate and fanaticism over something as innocuous as an entertainment medium.
- It is not "fanaticism" to be aware of the creep towards ever greater and more expensive (and ultimately pointless) 'security'.
This is particularly so when there is the obvious (ab)use of children in this.
Their 'football team' (blissfully unaware) type support for a game console has been deliberately used in this to help the push these options through.
The fact that at some undetermined point in the future it may be avoided or overcome is no good reason to willingly embrace it right at the start.
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