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Toshiba confirms dropping of HD DVD
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 19 February, 2008
Toshiba has officially announced that the company will no longer develop, manufacture and market HD DVD players and recorders. After many unofficial announcements by different sources, the company has confirmed in a press release that the development of HD DVD has ended. Toshiba will be reducing the shipments of HD DVD players towards the cessation by the end of March 2008.
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eatsushi
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19. February 2008 @ 14:06 |
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Originally posted by horrabin:
Honestly, I truly wish someone could explain the reasons behind the hate and fanaticism over something as innocuous as an entertainment medium.
Good post horrabin.
I think this format war has seen different types of personalities on both sides of the fence:
1. The true high-def movie fan/AV enthusiast/early adopter. This is the guy who has invested a good amount of money on his equipment and has built up his home theater to take advantage of every single technical advance out there: 1080p/24fps, Dolby True HD, DTS HD-MA, etc. These guys appreciate a good movie no matter what format its on. Therefore they usually are dual format people and have both HD DVD and BluRay in their racks. They will continue to support whichever format wins.
2. The brand loyalists/format fanatics. Sad to say but these are the ones who would rather see the other side fail than see high-def media succeed. "If we can't win then neither can you." They already know how good high def media can look in their systems yet they would rather go with what are obviously inferior media such as HD DVR's or low bitrate downloads or even upconverted DVD's.
3. Other types such as the undecideds, the format newcomers, and the innocent bystanders.
The loyalists and fanatics are IMO hopeless cases. It's useless to even try to reason with them.
What BluRay has to do now is the try to get those in the 3rd category to join the fold. It won't be easy but I think the BDA may just have the marketing muscle to do it.
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Thee only problem being with downloadable content is space, time taken to download that content as well, people with there broadband capped, people who dont have broadband and are stuck with or prefer dial-up (god knows why...)
Granted 500gig hdd are rife these days, and i think 1 terabite drives are on there way, but frankly, i dont think i want a couple of ugly external drives hogging my living room.
Ask yourself, would you delete content that you downloaded and paid for? I certainly wouldnt, so then thee other option would be to burn it to disc, which sort of brings you back to square one...
I prefer discs myself, and can say, if they are looked after and not thrown at your arse, they,ll last you a lifetime.
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19. February 2008 @ 14:09 |
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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
Not only i didn't know, even if i know, i'm not dumb enough to think it's all good. Yes, it's probably cheap on the secondary market, but there's still no supports/warranties.
- Then if warranties & support are your problem buy an LG.
LG are not dropping HD-DVD:
http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.p...c-players.phtml
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
And, worse of all, the players are not streamlined, i.e. you're buying the last gen (i'm sorry, you gotta have some sort of fetish love for your softwares to do something like that).
- LMAO
You liked the fetish comment, huh?
If your concern is playing HD DVDs then there are alternatives once the Toshibas go.
You'll also find Toshoba have said they will continue to update firmwares etc as required (and no doubt LG will too).
Originally posted by eatsushi:
Sad to say but these are the ones who would rather see the other side fail than see high-def media succeed. "If we can't win then neither can you." They already know how good high def media can look in their systems yet they would rather go with what are obviously inferior media such as HD DVR's or low bitrate downloads or even upconverted DVD's.
- .....and why should we accept high def at any cost, hmmmm?
You might disagree with my choices but to pretend that it is merely some unfounded game-saying against the other format just because the one I preferred lost out is ridiculous.
I backed HD DVD because of what it offered.
Just because HD DVD has lost out I will not back Blu-ray, Blu-ray has a hell of a lot wrong with it IMO.
Those 'issues' are not something I will go along with and ignore over (usually) tiny differences in a/v quality.
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19. February 2008 @ 14:32 |
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Originally posted by hughjars:
Would region coding not be something you would be affected by?
Would a system of 'fair use' & 'managed copy' be something you would not benefit from?
Originally posted by hughjars:
- You might be inclined to take this stuff on trust but I won't.
There is no 'rule' that says matters will not get worse.
- You're just using the words "irrational dislike" to avoid addressing the whole matter of previous behaviours (the Rootkits) and the potential Blu-ray has in this regard
(with the enormous space it allows for all sorts of horrific 'security' possibilities).
- It is not "fanaticism" to be aware of the creep towards ever greater and more expensive (and ultimately pointless) 'security'.
This is particularly so when there is the obvious (ab)use of children in this.
Their 'football team' (blissfully unaware) type support for a game console has been deliberately used in this to help the push these options through.
The fact that at some undetermined point in the future it may be avoided or overcome is no good reason to willingly embrace it right at the start.
Fine - I give. Just like you'll never see things from my perspective, I'll obviously never see things from yours. I'm not as serious minded or conspiracy driven - the things that tend to occupy the worry areas of my brain are much larger than movie media security or whether a video game system was used to help sales of a new media format. I realize Sony had the rootkit debacle but that still wouldn't have affected me and says nothing about Panasonic, Pioneer or the other blu-ray supporters. I like movies - I like video games and if something goes wrong with one of them, I replace it. I worry about things like our economy (and God knows I spend a lot to support it) or Darfur and when I don't want to worry I watch a movie or play a video game.
Now, when your security issues grow so large that I can't watch or play, then I'll have some major issues, but as long as I can go to Amazon on a Monday, preorder a movie like, "The Dark Knight", receive and watch it in high def on Friday and then put in on a shelf to be enjoyed whenever I see fit, thereafter, then I really don't have any problems.
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Gnawnivek
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19. February 2008 @ 14:33 |
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Approximately $100 USD a month and that's not cheap? And it doesn't even have close captioned feature/subtitles, audio options, or multi-language tracks? Sorry, on a limited budget, that's the first thing on the list to go. While i can afford it, but i don't see the benefit for me at all... You see, it's not like you can suspend your service for a month here or there, you have to pay even you don't watch anything for the month (you have this freedom with physical media purchases). Anyhow, everybody's cup of tea is different so move on...
I don't understand the argument that hd-dvds are cheaper, do you mean the players? B/C the softwares are priced same, except in hd-dvd, there are combos (which i hate, only if it's on a separate disc in the same case and for the same price). As you can see, cheaper player doesn't give hd-dvd an upper edge!
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Originally posted by horrabin:
....dvd's have region codes and none of that has ever made a difference to me and I'm pretty sure that, eventually, it won't matter on blu-ray, either.
As I've stated, I'm into this for the movies - 1080p - uncompressed audio - plenty of special features - period. I understand brand loyalty but in this case it's moot. I had both formats - now I'll concentrate on blu. No big deal. Hey, Toshiba was the co-creator of the Cell processor in my PS3, anyway so, in a way, I'm still loyal to both sides.
And as far as a lot of hd-dvd early adopters going elsewhere for high-def content, even if they all went, I really don't think 749,999 adopters (minus me, of course) are going to make much of a difference. Then again, if, for whatever reason, they feel so inclined because of some irrational dislike for Sony, Panasonic and Pioneer (only to name a few in the BDA) then I don't think they were in this for the movies to begin with.
Honestly, I truly wish someone could explain the reasons behind the hate and fanaticism over something as innocuous as an entertainment medium.
Originally posted by horrabin:
Fine - I give. Just like you'll never see things from my perspective, I'll obviously never see things from yours. I'm not as serious minded or conspiracy driven - the things that tend to occupy the worry areas of my brain are much larger than movie media security or whether a video game system was used to help sales of a new media format. I realize Sony had the rootkit debacle but that still wouldn't have affected me and says nothing about Panasonic, Pioneer or the other blu-ray supporters. I like movies - I like video games and if something goes wrong with one of them, I replace it. I worry about things like our economy (and God knows I spend a lot to support it) or Darfur and when I don't want to worry I watch a movie or play a video game.
Now, when your security issues grow so large that I can't watch or play, then I'll have some major issues, but as long as I can go to Amazon on a Monday, preorder a movie like, "The Dark Knight", receive and watch it in high def on Friday and then put in on a shelf to be enjoyed whenever I see fit, thereafter, then I really don't have any problems.
Excellent posts but you are wasting your time and words upon on deaf ears, as no point that anybody has made in MANY different threads has EVER been acknowledged as true by some...not even a small post saying that people where right that Blu-Ray would win. Seriously.
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Good, now maybe we will see Jurassic Park on Blu. That is if Universal gets off their asses..
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why bother "reducing" shipments? Who's going to buy and HD DVD products now?
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Gnawnivek
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19. February 2008 @ 15:48 |
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Originally posted by hughjars:
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
Not only i didn't know, even if i know, i'm not dumb enough to think it's all good. Yes, it's probably cheap on the secondary market, but there's still no supports/warranties.
- Then if warranties & support are your problem buy an LG.
LG are not dropping HD-DVD:
http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.p...c-players.phtml
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
And, worse of all, the players are not streamlined, i.e. you're buying the last gen (i'm sorry, you gotta have some sort of fetish love for your softwares to do something like that).
- LMAO
You liked the fetish comment, huh?
If your concern is playing HD DVDs then there are alternatives once the Toshibas go.
You'll also find Toshoba have said they will continue to update firmwares etc as required (and no doubt LG will too).
Originally posted by eatsushi:
Sad to say but these are the ones who would rather see the other side fail than see high-def media succeed. "If we can't win then neither can you." They already know how good high def media can look in their systems yet they would rather go with what are obviously inferior media such as HD DVR's or low bitrate downloads or even upconverted DVD's.
- .....and why should we accept high def at any cost, hmmmm?
You might disagree with my choices but to pretend that it is merely some unfounded game-saying against the other format just because the one I preferred lost out is ridiculous.
I backed HD DVD because of what it offered.
Just because HD DVD has lost out I will not back Blu-ray, Blu-ray has a hell of a lot wrong with it IMO.
Those 'issues' are not something I will go along with and ignore over (usually) tiny differences in a/v quality.
Fine Hughjar fine, however your views are constructed, maybe only you can see them... and no thanks on the LG recommendation, why would anyone want to continue buying a dead format hardware? Put it this way, you got the player but there's no software, simple! Even LG continue with hd-dvd players, so what? At this point, i'm happy about my hd-dvd collection and yes, i'm pissed that there will be no more supports/warranties from Toshiba. Who gives a damn about LG? Do i have a LG hd-dvd player? No! Do i want one? No! Do i even care at this point? No!
I think the mod is right, i'm gonna go browse some BD titles and actually enjoy something tonight rather than trying to understand what you're saying Hughjar.
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Originally posted by Oner:
Excellent posts but you are wasting your time and words upon on deaf ears, as no point that anybody has made in MANY different threads has EVER been acknowledged as true by some...not even a small post saying that people where right that Blu-Ray would win. Seriously.
Thanks and I realize what you're saying.
I'm just really happy that I don't live in the same dystopia as some of the other folks who peruse this locale.
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if anyone says anything about hughjarsim gonna kisk their a$$, i hate how people rip on him, i gave that up, whats the point, do you guys get anything out of it besides fights and bans? just leave him alone ok. he didnt pick the looser format, he just picked the format he believed in and the market turned it around, so everyone thats gonna make a bad comment about him piss off!
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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
Approximately $100 USD a month and that's not cheap?
- Do you know how many 100 HD movies, major live sports events & TV shows that is a month.....compared to what, the 3, 4 or 5 BD discs (if there are still deals going on, if I was lucky) I could buy?
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
And it doesn't even have close captioned feature/subtitles, audio options, or multi-language tracks?
- As an English speaker I don't need subtitles (and where the movie is non-English subs are provided).
I do get audio options, 2ch stereo or 5.1 Dolby Digital.
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
You see, it's not like you can suspend your service for a month here or there, you have to pay even you don't watch anything for the month (you have this freedom with physical media purchases).
- Why would I want to do that?
I watch umteen movies in HD every month (as well as large amounts of National Geographic HD, Discovery HD, Sky Anytime HD, Sky Movies HD, Sky Sports HD, BBC HD, Channel 4 HD.
I get a lot out of it and I have never taken a month off in over 15yrs as a subscriber, as you might imagine.
In any event I can drop parts of my package if I wanted to, month by month.
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
Anyhow, everybody's cup of tea is different so move on...
- Indeed, that's one reason why many like myself will never buy a PS3 for our high def.
We just do not want a game console.
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
I don't understand the argument that hd-dvds are cheaper, do you mean the players?
- Of course. Player pricing is enormously different.
Even with the old claim that the cheapest HD DVD players are 'only' 720p/1080i that quickly became irrelevant as the 1080p HD A/EP30 prices fell sharply.
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
B/C the softwares are priced same, except in hd-dvd, there are combos (which i hate, only if it's on a separate disc in the same case and for the same price).
- Lots of people liked combos.
They disliked the price differential of course.
They made for a very handy little disc that was very versatile and you did not have to double-dip when wanting to play a movie on you SD DVD kit (which so many of us still have).
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
As you can see, cheaper player doesn't give hd-dvd an upper edge!
- TBH I don't think any those obvious qualities had anything to do with it in the end.
I have a sneaking suspicion that Warner were telling the truth.
They wanted one format quickly.
They tried to get 2 other studios to move to format neutrality with them if they went HD DVD exclusive (Fox & Disney are the likely 2) cos they believed that would see HD DVD have enough studio support in addition to it's cost advantages etc etc to win as the single format in short order.
When the studios refused and that did not happen they just went Blu-ray.
I think they know Blu-ray is set to be the single disc-based format but one stuck mainly revolving around the PS3 niche, although with sales larger than they would have got with HD DVD alone for a long time.
The vast pile of money that was on the table compensated them for the loss of the HD DVD sales their no longer being neutral would take from them.
Like I said my view is that both formats have lost, it's just not so obvious yet.
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
no thanks on the LG recommendation, why would anyone want to continue buying a dead format hardware?
- Well you were the one here asking about new hardware if your HD DVD player broke down and when it was pointed out that HD DVD hardware would still be available you then complained about a lack of support & warranties.
I supplied you with info on LG continuing to support HD DVD so you would be able to get a player with a full warranty and support.
Sorry, I took you at your word & didn't realise you were not serious.
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
Put it this way, you got the player but there's no software, simple!
- Hardly.
There are almost 500 HD DVD titles in the west out now (800+ worldwide).
I personally own just less than 10% of that total.
There's plenty of content I can still get and would want to play.
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
Even LG continue with hd-dvd players, so what? At this point, i'm happy about my hd-dvd collection and yes, i'm pissed that there will be no more supports/warranties from Toshiba. Who gives a damn about LG?
- Er, you're the one who complained about what might happen in future with your HD DVD player.
If it is still in warranty then Toshiba will still support it - just as they have said they will still issue firmware support where needed.
If it's out of warranty then you will still have the option of a new player.
That's why I mentioned the LG. Isn't it obvious?
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
i'm gonna go browse some BD titles and actually enjoy something tonight rather than trying to understand what you're saying Hughjar.
- Enjoy!
Unfortunately you seem unable to work out that this is an exchange of view.
I understand your view but I don't agree with it.
But I don't understand why you'd bring up stuff about HD DVD players breaking down and not being able to buy replacement players with a proper warranty and then when I supply info to satisfy that enquiry you talk as if that info is irrelevant.
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YES its finally officially over!!!
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Originally posted by hughjars:
Originally posted by NexGen76: downloading BD or HD movies are not what its cracked up to be & you could see your government knocking on your door downloading illegal content you don't own
- Thanks for that Nextgen but you can keep your threats and you ridiculous '1984' day-dreams to yourself.
I'm sorry if you have no respect for copyright laws but what i said wasn't a threat its a promise & you see it yourself everyday on this site news tread ,so if you like living on the edge so be it.How can anyone have a open mind to what you post when you are promoting piracy but have a problem with copy protection & call Blu-Ray anti-consumer? Go figure that one.So i guess because HD-DVD copy protection has been cracked that make it consumer friendly.
How is it that you don't have a problem with SD DVD having region coding but have a issue with BD having it? That don't make any sense Hughjars does it?
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Fine - I give. Just like you'll never see things from my perspective, I'll obviously never see things from yours. I'm not as serious minded or conspiracy driven - the things that tend to occupy the worry areas of my brain are much larger than movie media security or whether a video game system was used to help sales of a new media format. I realize Sony had the rootkit debacle but that still wouldn't have affected me and says nothing about Panasonic, Pioneer or the other blu-ray supporters. I like movies - I like video games and if something goes wrong with one of them, I replace it. I worry about things like our economy (and God knows I spend a lot to support it) or Darfur and when I don't want to worry I watch a movie or play a video game.
Now, when your security issues grow so large that I can't watch or play, then I'll have some major issues, but as long as I can go to Amazon on a Monday, preorder a movie like, "The Dark Knight", receive and watch it in high def on Friday and then put in on a shelf to be enjoyed whenever I see fit, thereafter, then I really don't have any problems.
@Horrabin
You are 100% right, there are much more important things to worry about in life than a 12cm piece of plastic.
As long as I can go to a store and purchase my movies or video games and pop in my machine and play them, I'm more than content.
Last point, Why do you think these companies put so much protection on their products in the first place? To stop blant theft of their products, Don't get me wrong I have no problem with people making legitment backup copies, But lets face it, there is so much theft of these products, people almost force the companies to do this type of thing.
@NEXGEN76
I agree with you about d/ling these kinda files, It will get you caught sooner or later, Like you said, don't be so cheap, just go buy your stuff or do without.
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Originally posted by nextgen76:
I'm sorry if you have no respect for copyright laws
- No, I don't.
They have become thoroughly corrupted and do nothing to protect the artist as they were originally intended.
They are merely a vehicle for an abuse of power over people who have done nothing criminal but want to see or hear music or a movie at the tme of their own convenience.
Originally posted by nextgen76:
but what i said wasn't a threat its a promise & you see it yourself everyday on this site news tread ,so if you like living on the edge so be it.
- Your big-brother fascist state isn't here yet.
There are way too many of 'us' for 'them' to monitor all thetime.
Originally posted by nextgen76:
How can anyone have a open mind to what you post when you are promoting piracy
- How is saying I am all for file sharing 'promoting piracy'?
I have never copied, sold on and profited someone else's work - which is what actual piracy is.
Originally posted by nextgen76:
but have a problem with copy protection & call Blu-Ray anti-consumer?
- Blu-ray has several layers of copy protection (that's simply a fact).
It is anti-consumer.
It was intended to restore profit margins to the CE corps to levels they had when DVD began.
It has a system of region coding designed to ensure each market can be controled and milked much more easily.
It also treats every consumer as a potential thief.
Originally posted by nextgen76:
So i guess because HD-DVD copy protection has been cracked that make it consumer friendly.
- Obviously. That and the lack of region coding.
Originally posted by nextgen76:
How is it that you don't have a problem with SD DVD having region coding but have a issue with BD having it?
- Er, because you'd have to be about 5 or the most inept twit ever to get caught up in SD DVD region coding.
Like it's copy protection it's region coding is meaningless.
Originally posted by nextgen76:
That don't make any sense Hughjars does it?
- If you'd actually though about for a few seconds it really ought to have.
I guess that just says more about your own critical thought processes though.
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Originally posted by nMIK3:
Enjoy this hilarious video regarding HD format war between Blu-ray and HD DVD!
LMAO a classic :P
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Blu ray winning the so called "format war" is fine with me but it undermines the point of the Sony backed intentions. If I am understanding this correctly...what do all of us as members have in common on AfterDawn (even before there was any government intervention)? This link in this post has me totally agreeing with sags. This is why I am here. http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/198934
I agree with any BD fan. It looks and sounds good as well as did HD DVD but, there is no conspiracy behind the intentions of a company like Sony. This is one big corporation that has its hand in almost everything consumer based worldwide. Like every global corporate giant the motivation will always be the same....money! Is there anyone on this site who felt it was wrong for any of us to backup a product that we paid for...or if a newbie couldn't figure it out we would post our help. I remember when Resident Evil 2 came out and dvd decrypter nor anydvd could break the new ARccoS. It took me 12 hrs to crack including coming up with a valid PDL file to bypass the protection. Those were the days. If anyone on this site doesn't believe in that type of freedom...then what are you here for.
Anyways for any of you tech geeks like myself who are willing to understand more about the blu ray security and why it hasn't been compromised you can check out info from pc programmers in this link. www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/01/bluray_cracked.html
I'm way beyond my whole point but I'm just stating that until it is compromised...anyone supporting BD will be paying out of pocket. For the record some of you need to get your facts straight. The Durabis coating is not indestructible. In june of 2007 the coating was found to be rotting on the disc which in turn made the discs vulnerable but the data still played on the players. Thats why a quality control program was implimented into the BD cam last month.
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LMFAO!!!
That is pure class right there!
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Holy freakin' cow are some people ornery in here!
For those of you who read my comments, I have not adopted either side in this format war. I've always stood upon the fact that I can upscale SD DVD's or enjoy my newly purchased DirecTV HD-DVR.
I have moved in the last month, so I can honestly tell you that both Armstrong, and Time Warner Cable HD services are SERIOUSLY lacking. DirecTV is offering more channels, plus the DVR advertises 80 hours of recording, and can be upgraded by adding an external eSata drive or removing the original internal drive. (Plus the advertised OTA add-on coming shortly will allow my DVR to work with ALL OTA local channels, some that are not carried by DTV.)
Not to mention that with the use of TVersity, I can stream content from my PC to either my HD-DVR or my Xbox 360.
Several good points were made by HughJars and others on here:
- The name "Blu-Ray" is stupid.
- There is a ton of non-BD HD content out there if you know where to look.
- Blu-Ray Forum IS looking to recoup profits they have lost from discounted DVD prices, PLUS "PIRACY" (oh no, not that DIRTY word!)
Yes, "they" believe that the internet (invented by Al Gore) is responsible for their losses. By jacking up the size of the discs, they take longer to download (discouraging to some), plus the new media gives them an excuse to create a DRM format that cannot be implemented with DVD, and "should" be unbreakable. (This promise has swayed some of the studios.)
I am looking forward to the remaining HD-DVD studios reaction and seeing if they will decide to go "Blu". Don't forget, studios such as Disney weren't staunch DVD supporters at first, and went the Divx route. With HD discs having trouble topping VHS sales, I can't see these studios quickly sinking more money into HD ventures immediately.
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NextGen76 not to take shots at you but you might want to watch what you say by stating someone is promoting piracy. Thats almost as if you were accusing every member on this site of piracy but, of course in your opinion. For example....if I let you borrow a disc of mine so you could copy it to file or burn it to disc I wouldn't accuse you of promoting piracy especially considering that I am taking something that I purchased and shared it with you. If you believe differently than why are you here.
Piracy had always been the illegal sales of a copyrighted product for profit. Companies considered file sharing as piracy by changing the rules themselves. We called it as it is...file sharing. It was once purchased and then shared freely to everyone who wanted it. Since companies felt they made no profit from it they in turn called us the criminals.
Sorry everyone...not to get off subject.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 19. February 2008 @ 17:06
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19. February 2008 @ 17:47 |
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Originally posted by SProdigy:
- The name "Blu-Ray" is stupid.
- There is a ton of non-BD HD content out there if you know where to look.
- Blu-Ray Forum IS looking to recoup profits they have lost from discounted DVD prices, PLUS "PIRACY"
1.)Hey I like the name; you can speak for yourselves but not everyone.
2.)Of course, it's called the Internet.
3.)Any company would do that, what is the point of having a company if you don't make a profit in the end. It's not like either of the formats were open source so you can't say that HD-DVD supporting companies wouldnt have done the same if they had won. Sony isn't the only supposed big bad company out there no matter what one would want to believe.
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19. February 2008 @ 19:14 |
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Ever since from the time when it was announced that Warner is dropping HDDVD I knew that inevitably HDDVD will eventually founder. It will not be long before Paramount and Universal will make a response to Toshiba's decision. Simultaneously, we will start seeing Blu-Ray movies replacing the HDDVD boxes at your local retailer. More interesting is the consumer response that will be generated sooner or later, In order to avoid that fury I believe Toshiba should contract its backers to produce HDDVD movies until the production of all HDDVD devices- Player or Recorder- has ceased. This way hopefully to decrease the impact of the consumer anger. But of course, It is Toshiba's problem and not mine. Personally, It was stupit to introduce this format anyway. Blu-Rays victory had its roots not in the PS3 but its technical advantage. Consumers are like guinea pigs (They always want the best), If it was true that Toshiba made matching or better technical specs they wouuld have more of a advantage in the market. But the format war is over (which is good), we will not be seeing dumb articles overflowing our news providers about whose backing and not.
I always knew Blue-Ray would win because its 'better'
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