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Sony set to introduce Profile 2.0 Blu-ray players
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article published on 26 February, 2008
Sony has announced that its first Profile 2.0 Blu-ray players will be debuting this summer.
The BDP-S350 will be Sony's first new player since the demise of HD DVD last week and will feature an Ethernet port allowing it to connect to a home network. Curiously, the player will not be able to access online Blu-ray content until Sony releases a BD-Live upgrade for the player. The company ... [ read the full article ]
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DDR4life
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26. February 2008 @ 17:02 |
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First post, yeah!
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More interestingly, HD DVD players have had PIP and Internet capabilities since 2006 meaning Blu-ray is still catching up.
lol.
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goodswipe
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26. February 2008 @ 17:07 |
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Wow, all the same features HD DVD offered but, at a much higher price, just mind boggling. ;)
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26. February 2008 @ 17:12 |
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I'm sorry to say this but this player is garbage I can already guarantee it won't support most advance audio. Argh what a piece of $h1t.
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juankerr
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26. February 2008 @ 17:19 |
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Originally posted by plutonash:
I'm sorry to say this but this player is garbage I can already guarantee it won't support most advance audio. Argh what a piece of $h1t.
Correction. They do support advanced audio - Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD Master Audio.
The S350 supports advanced audio bitstream transmission and the S550 supports both onboard decoding and bitstream transmission.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/630898
http://www.electronichouse.com/article/s...lu_ray_players/
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BDP-S350
Firmware ? Street Date Summer 2008
Video Decoder ? Sigma SMP8634 Rev C
24fps - Yes
Audio Decoding
Dolby Digital - Onboard
DTS - Onboard
Dolby Digital Plus - Onboard/Bitstream
DTS ? HR - Onboard/Bitstream
PCM - Onboard
Dolby True HD ? Bitstream
DTS HD Master Audio - Bitstream
Analog Out Channels ? 5.1
HDMI Channels ? 7.1
HDMI Version ? 1.3
Profile ? 1.1/2.0 ready with added memory port
Ethernet - Yes
BDP-S550
Firmware ? Street Date Fall 2008
Video Decoder ? Sigma SMP8634 Rev C
24fps - Yes
Audio Decoding
Dolby Digital - Onboard
DTS - Onboard
Dolby Digital Plus - Onboard/Bitstream
DTS ? HR - Onboard/Bitstream
PCM - Onboard
Dolby True HD ? Onboard/Bitstream
DTS HD Master Audio - Onboard/Bitstream
Analog Out Channels ? 7.1
HDMI Channels ? 7.1
HDMI Version ? 1.3
Profile ? 2.0
Ethernet - Yes
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26. February 2008 @ 17:48 |
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Meh, I'm a slow mover to knew formats. I didn't a dvd player until 3 years ago. I still don't own any dvd's. But ... that doesn't mean I don't own any movies.
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redux79
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26. February 2008 @ 17:50 |
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Now that sony's done they're part to win the format war they finally have time to focus on their format and player specs.
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More interestingly, HD DVD players have had PIP and Internet capabilities since 2006 meaning Blu-ray is still catching up.
Double the price for features that hd-dvd had in 2006... Now that?s the sony I remember.
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26. February 2008 @ 18:01 |
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Now that Blu-ray has won, it's time for them to beat the competition.
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MrXenu
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26. February 2008 @ 18:28 |
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Originally posted by nonoitall:
Now that Blu-ray has won, it's time for them to beat the competition.
I beleive the ps3 was the reason it was won, because taht was the cheapest BR player and had decentish spec's for its price.
There is no competition price wise, because Sony are lapping up all the consumers with the PS3!
Persoanlly I don't see why other companies in the BDA should allow this now they have won the format war with HD DVD
If i was one of the BDA i'd be demanding hte ps3 prices were risen, so that everyone doesn't buy a ps3 as their BR palyer!
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domie
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26. February 2008 @ 18:36 |
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What's wrong with all you guys ? Late developers spelling and eloquent expression in english classes were cancelled at school this week ?
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Ludikhris
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26. February 2008 @ 19:25 |
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Those complaining how BR players are too expensive are very ignorant. What about the companies that are not Sony that make BR players? Truth be told, it's still in the early adoption phase. HD-DVD was gasping for air when they fire saled the players. I'd rather have BR make a profit and be around for awhile so I can enjoy it. Two conditions will make prices go down.
1) Mass market adoption of the format
2) BR dies
I'd opt for #1 so we still have a HD media around.
The prices would be about the same if HD-DVD was the only tech around and never had BR to compete with it.
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26. February 2008 @ 19:59 |
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Reminds me of the Beta. Beta was steroe from the get go and had all sorts of features for editing. VCR's were mostly mono and had jack for editing.
Ironically Sony was the better one then and they suck now. I guess they learned the lesson. Build the suckier product and people will buy.
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hendrix04
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26. February 2008 @ 20:02 |
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yes, i am so glad sony won the format war so we can wait to buy a blu-ray player when they finally get the spec settled.
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26. February 2008 @ 20:08 |
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Originally posted by Ludikhris:
Those complaining how BR players are too expensive are very ignorant. What about the companies that are not Sony that make BR players? Truth be told, it's still in the early adoption phase. HD-DVD was gasping for air when they fire saled the players. I'd rather have BR make a profit and be around for awhile so I can enjoy it. Two conditions will make prices go down.
1) Mass market adoption of the format
2) BR dies
I'd opt for #1 so we still have a HD media around.
The prices would be about the same if HD-DVD was the only tech around and never had BR to compete with it.
Ignorant? Hardly, Blu-ray has always been more expensive then HD DVD. Even before the fire sales started. Blu's entry level player has always been at least 100 dollars more then HD DVD's.
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26. February 2008 @ 20:20 |
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Originally posted by Ludikhris:
Those complaining how BR players are too expensive are very ignorant. What about the companies that are not Sony that make BR players? Truth be told, it's still in the early adoption phase. HD-DVD was gasping for air when they fire saled the players. I'd rather have BR make a profit and be around for awhile so I can enjoy it. Two conditions will make prices go down.
1) Mass market adoption of the format
2) BR dies
I'd opt for #1 so we still have a HD media around.
The prices would be about the same if HD-DVD was the only tech around and never had BR to compete with it.
Ignorant? Hardly, Blu-ray has always been more expensive then HD DVD. Even before the fire sales started. Blu's entry level player has always been at least 100 dollars more then HD DVD's.
i agree with you if people dont like the price they can bitch and moan if that makes them feel better about how they spend their money.
ludikhris you are ignorant if you think for one second that all people should see blu-ray as a great deal because it is not.
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26. February 2008 @ 22:50 |
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Well Sony needs to stop being MoneySuckers An give us a BD-player Profile Upgrade and they can do it iv seen it done Before.
Oh and on another note make sure Sony That this is the last And Fully not bug ridden update they make.
i dont wanna here in the next month or so the profile 3.x is out and all my profile 3.x disc's wont work on profile 2.x player's
cause following Sony recent upgrade your Firmware in are products every Week fettish. will see a BD profile 2.1 and a 2.2 mabey even a 2.3.
Sony do thing's right the first time. like old time saik. Please dont be another Microsoft update your computer every Day cause we Fu** up somthing else Service.
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elfman12
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26. February 2008 @ 22:58 |
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The BR spec is such a screwed-up product. This will keep evolving for at least the next 18 months... at a time when a solid single spec would help win over trepidatious consumers.
But this is what 'the consumer" wanted, so let's see how "the consumer" responds.
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ripxrush
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27. February 2008 @ 01:31 |
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they won but hopefully they don't kill them selves with all of this spec change BS they are doing!
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Ludikhris
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27. February 2008 @ 01:44 |
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I far from believe BluRay is a good deal for everyone. Those that complain are the ones that are not ready to adopt yet. They are the people that want the technology the price just hasn't met their equilibrium price to make it worth it. Many PS3 owners (like myself) just had BR packaged as an extra on something else. For that reason I am already in, though I buy few movies due to price. It should just be understood that we are in the adopting stage still. I think people forget that.
I remember the first 40" plasma tv I saw was 720p and $10000. I thought they were insane for charging that much. Guess what? They aren't that price anymore. You can expect the same to happen with BR players. As they gain more market penetration and become older technology they will go down in price.
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A_Klingon
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27. February 2008 @ 03:04 |
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Originally posted by domie:
What's wrong with all you guys ? Late developers spelling and eloquent expression in english classes were cancelled at school this week ?
Oh! Oh!, Domie! Ish you makin' funs of me agins ??? [grrrr...]
4 you're infermations, I schpeeks vurry WELL Engrish, and I is *rait* El-A-quints & stuff, & don't needs no Engrish glasses.. [er..] ...Classes
You know, it's funny, really. Whatever happened to the basic concept of:
a) Liking a movie.
b) Purchasing a disc of that movie.
c) Putting the disc in one's home player, and then .... [oh my god],
d) Just watching the damn thing ???
In other words, I don't give a fiddler's fudge about "internet interactivity" with Sony's (or anyone else's) discs. 'Interactivity' is the last thing I need or want when (trying) to enjoy a motion picture. I don't want to provide 'input'. I don't give a damn about all these 'advanced features designed to enhance the consumer's viewing experience'. .
If I wanna go on the internet, I'll go on the internet. If I wanna watch a movie, I'll watch a movie. Since when did doing one, need (or even want) to depend on doing the other?
I think Sony is too wrapped-up in it's own overbloated technology. We're talking about an optical movie-disc format here - folks seem to lose track of what that means.
Most of us work very hard all day. When we come home, tired and cranky, we like to relax, put our feet up, and (maybe) let someone else do our 'thinking' for us. At least for the duration of a good film. We don't - necessarily - want to have to 'think' about _anything_. That's what we shell-out the hefty $$$ for to the Hollywood Movie Industry - to ENTERTAIN US for a short bit. (Do our entertainment-thinking for us).
Isn't that what truly GREAT movies are all about? To have trusted and respected actors/actresses help us 'escape' for just a short time?
We don't want to have to make sure our player's firmware upgrade is sufficiently-modern-enough to enjoy the latest disc we just bought, or make certain we've connected our players to the internet, or 'registered' the farking disc on their official website, or are using a 'legit' (authorized) retail disc, or used the right interconnect cable, or hard-wired our PC's into the set-top player, or .....
So..... I guess it's *all* a BLU-Ray world now. Fine. I just hope they (Sony) don't expect me to hook up my (or any other manufacturer's) player to anything other than a decent HI-Def monitor & cool audio system.
Every additional "feature" or unwanted/un-needed 'extra' built-in to your new player just costs you money and adds to the complexity of everything, & only serves to detract you from doing what you probably most wanted to do in the first place - simply_enjoy_a_good_movie. Has Sony (or even some of YOU out there), lost track of that?
Sony needs to Royally Dump ALL their players that don't natively incorporate Profile 2.0 - and any other firmware upgrade necessary to enjoy ANY Blu-Ray movie for the forseeable future. In other words - especially now that they've bought their way (Warner-$400 Million, does the word "Payola' ring a bell?) - into the mainstream, they NEED to provide:
a) STABLE, reliable Home Players that work for every Blu-Ray disc ever made
b) Set their standards in concrete STONE
c) Stop f----ing around with ongoing-&-ever-evolving upgrades and updates just because they can't get their technical s--t together
And they need to be able to reliably discern the difference between a consumer's legitimate desire (and RIGHT!) to simply enjoy a movie, instead of doing a hundred other unrelated things that have nothing to do with watching that movie.
Scho ..... don'ts you make no more funs of my well Engrish! (I wents 2 schkools, -I just nevir tooks no classes). :-)
Love & Peace 2 All.
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27. February 2008 @ 05:59 |
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Sony needs to plan ahead a bit and make the newer specs and software retroactive IE upgradable, theres no excuse not to, but then again money schemes and consumer unfriendliness run on the same boat.
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Sazaziel
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27. February 2008 @ 08:04 |
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Blu Ray may never have a final spec due to the fact of the BD+ security feature will constantly upgrade itself every time the keys are cracked. It will always become a work in progress.
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27. February 2008 @ 08:08 |
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Originally posted by Sazaziel:
Blu Ray may never have a final spec due to the fact of the BD+ security feature will constantly upgrade itself every time the keys are cracked. It will always become a work in progress.
depends if they put so much effort in BD+, the spec needs tweaking because they launched it un finalized....
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juankerr
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27. February 2008 @ 08:09 |
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27. February 2008 @ 08:13 |
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Originally posted by Sazaziel:
Blu Ray may never have a final spec due to the fact of the BD+ security feature will constantly upgrade itself every time the keys are cracked. It will always become a work in progress.
BluRay player profiles have nothing to do with BD+.
There seems to be some confusion here so here's a couple of good reads so people can educate themselves:
BluRay Profiles Explained:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=868226
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/J...ed/1186
Profile is part web based content(pointless IMO),Java is another thing they are tweaking.
I hope they get it all tweaked and finished.
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juankerr
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27. February 2008 @ 08:32 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Profile is part web based content(pointless IMO),Java is another thing they are tweaking.
I hope they get it all tweaked and finished.
The player profiles are already finalized. All the CE makers have to do is put them in the machines.
The java tweaking you're referring to is related to the special features found in the discs.
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