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Sony set to introduce Profile 2.0 Blu-ray players
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article published on 26 February, 2008
Sony has announced that its first Profile 2.0 Blu-ray players will be debuting this summer.
The BDP-S350 will be Sony's first new player since the demise of HD DVD last week and will feature an Ethernet port allowing it to connect to a home network. Curiously, the player will not be able to access online Blu-ray content until Sony releases a BD-Live upgrade for the player. The company ... [ read the full article ]
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27. February 2008 @ 08:36 |
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Originally posted by juankerr:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Profile is part web based content(pointless IMO),Java is another thing they are tweaking.
I hope they get it all tweaked and finished.
The player profiles are already finalized. All the CE makers have to do is put them in the machines.
The java tweaking you're referring to is related to the special features found in the discs.
which nuked a couple movies until they fixed it...
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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juankerr
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27. February 2008 @ 08:48 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
which nuked a couple movies until they fixed it...
Which movies?
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27. February 2008 @ 08:53 |
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which nuked a couple movies until they fixed it...
Which movies?
were there not some issues with java menu systems in a couple movies 6ish+ months back?
still I think I can count he BR movie playing issues on 1 maybe 2 hands, thats not to bad for a totally new product.
finalizing the spec and software will ease my worries over BR I still worry about BD+...but tis not in sonys hands anymore so it can;t be that bad till the crackers break the system and make most net enabled units say most movies are fake when they are not LOL
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juankerr
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27. February 2008 @ 09:03 |
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Oh yes I remember now. Descent and Dragon's Lair from last year.
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27. February 2008 @ 09:07 |
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Originally posted by juankerr:
Oh yes I remember now. Descent and Dragon's Lair from last year.
ya not hearing many other play issues which is good, the next year should be good beyond that their might be a huge issue with the BD+ system other than that I can't see BR failing itself other than rising hardware/movie prices.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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27. February 2008 @ 09:34 |
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27. February 2008 @ 12:05 |
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At least these new players aren't too much more expensive then what the ones out right now are :)
Hopefully they'll probably drop $100 or 2 after a few months...
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27. February 2008 @ 15:00 |
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A bit off topic here but, does the BD-J technology on Blu-ray work the same as iHD on HD DVD? Does it have the same look to it?
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27. February 2008 @ 15:47 |
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Originally posted by goodswipe:
A bit off topic here but, does the BD-J technology on Blu-ray work the same as iHD on HD DVD? Does it have the same look to it?
Here's a quick comparison from highdefdigest forums:
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BD-J is full blown Java, HDi is a high level scripting language.
HDi is quick to develop for, but very limited in it's abilities
BD-J is less accessible, except for "proper" programmers, and takes more time to get right, but is infinitely more flexible and powerful. It's also proper OO (object oriented), and encourages reusable code.
Now we are on the verge of a single format, studios can finally invest more resources in BD-J to get the full capabilities out of the SDK, meaning much better features.
I'm not a programmer but I get the impression that BD-J has a lot more potential as to what can be done. The downside is that it's more difficult and expensive to develop and program. HDi was a quick and easy solution developed by MS.
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27. February 2008 @ 16:09 |
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So what HDi does for the interactive menus on HD DVD, BD-J does the same for Blu-ray's menus?
I've never actually sat down and messed with a Blu-ray player so, I wasn't sure that it had the interactive menu. I'm looking at picking up a BD player soon so, I guess I'll get to play around with it then.
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27. February 2008 @ 16:36 |
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Originally posted by goodswipe:
A bit off topic here but, does the BD-J technology on Blu-ray work the same as iHD on HD DVD? Does it have the same look to it?
Here's a quick comparison from highdefdigest forums:
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BD-J is full blown Java, HDi is a high level scripting language.
HDi is quick to develop for, but very limited in it's abilities
BD-J is less accessible, except for "proper" programmers, and takes more time to get right, but is infinitely more flexible and powerful. It's also proper OO (object oriented), and encourages reusable code.
Now we are on the verge of a single format, studios can finally invest more resources in BD-J to get the full capabilities out of the SDK, meaning much better features.
I'm not a programmer but I get the impression that BD-J has a lot more potential as to what can be done. The downside is that it's more difficult and expensive to develop and program. HDi was a quick and easy solution developed by MS.
ya BR is not cheap or simple to produce for, maybe in 3 to 4 it will be but for now its tricky.
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27. February 2008 @ 16:40 |
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Java Code is simple once you get past the learning curve it holds.
High level Coding witch HDi did does not make it limited.
Java uses resuable code how does this make it hard to programme for
Clearly Im missing Somthings there.
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27. February 2008 @ 16:44 |
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Originally posted by DXR88:
Java Code is simple once you get past the learning curve it holds.
thus why its a cost/time issue upgrading to it,once moved to it its going to take alil while for the added cost to be absorbed and lowered into the total production cost.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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27. February 2008 @ 17:16 |
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who needs standalone player anyway? buy sata bd drive for your computer that should do it =).
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27. February 2008 @ 19:43 |
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"You know, it's funny, really. Whatever happened to the basic concept of:
a) Liking a movie.
b) Purchasing a disc of that movie.
c) Putting the disc in one's home player, and then .... [oh my god],
d) Just watching the damn thing ???
In other words, I don't give a fiddler's fudge about "internet interactivity" with Sony's (or anyone else's) discs. 'Interactivity' is the last thing I need or want when (trying) to enjoy a motion picture. I don't want to provide 'input'. I don't give a damn about all these 'advanced features designed to enhance the consumer's viewing experience'. .
If I wanna go on the internet, I'll go on the internet. If I wanna watch a movie, I'll watch a movie. Since when did doing one, need (or even want) to depend on doing the other?"
You said it man. They need to stick with the basics. First, fix that SLOW loading problem. Then, drop the price of the thing. It just plays movies, nothing more. They should have learned from HD DVD that having a lower price will indeed let them sell more players. Now that the movie studios are not taking sides, this seems like the next logical step. If they want special features, make a high-end version of it. Most people just want the higher quality format, not "new innovative BS".
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28. February 2008 @ 16:43 |
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You said it man. They need to stick with the basics.
Thnx for replying, sgriesch. I was hoping someone would. (Oh, man!, where did you find the handle, "sgriesch" ??? <gg>
I too wish Sony would just get their 'basics' together rather than try to impress us with unproven or even unwanted extras. They're trying to provide Too Much Too Fast. If they really wanted to 'enhance my viewing experience' they might want to release a half-decent movie once in a while (oh my god! what a radical concept, eh?) And they wouldn't even need BD+ or Java or Root Kits or anything else to accomplish it.
I don't know what the hell 'JavaScript' is, nor do I care. (I guess it's now an integral part of Blu-Ray). I once went to the official Java website, and after jumping through a dozen hoops and barriers, they (the Java-Folks) *finally* let me download a standalone version of Java to install offline at my convenience. (Normally, you're supposed to install it online like 90% of Microsoft's crap). Now that I "have" Java, I haven't got a clue what it does or what it's supposed to accomplish. I only know it's one Hell of a bloated piece of software and quite a CPU-Hog.
As so many others have pointed out, Blu-Ray may have Won-The-Current-Format-War, but will it really supplant the tried-&-true (regular) DVD system? (Probably, at least for a niche market). Regular DVD is pretty-well entrenched worldwide. Just because Sony payola'd their way out of the current 'war', doesn't necessarily mean they're gonna be the mainstream HD format. I fear that Blu-Ray could wind up as a very small market concern, much like the late-&-lamented Laser-Disc format. (Or their own SACD format (Super Audio CD), or Hi-Res Audio-DVD with Meridian Lossless Packing. How many people buy that stuff these days, and HOW many titles are available TO buy? (Not many, I can tell you).
12" Laser Discs. GREAT STUFF, but only limited in overall market appeal. (I had a magnificent, horrifically-expensive Pioneer LaserDisc Player, but when Laser Disc rentals became extinct in my area, I sold off the player and was damned lucky to have found a buyer.)
However, if some enterprising, intelligent, software 'reverse-engineers' (may god bless them; I kiss their feet) ever DO manage to crack BD+, (my fingers are crossed for Clone-DVD, DVD-Fab, etc.), I may have to rethink my position.
Thanks for replying, sgriesch. -- Klingy --
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28. February 2008 @ 16:50 |
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[Addendum]
Oh, I just wanted to mention......
I was chatting today with a buddy of mine who works for 'Roger's Video' (Video rental outlet here in Canada similar to 'BlockBusters').
He said that the local WalMart is flogging-off their remaining stock of HD-DVD players for a mere $50 bucks each.
HA! :-)
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28. February 2008 @ 20:20 |
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@ Klingon - Java is just a code language that is widely used. My wife is a software developer. SHe's always talking about it.
My suggestion for Sony is to make an entry-level Blu-Ray player that is less than $150. That would get the attention of some of the new consumers to the market. With more people getting Hi-Def TV's, they will like the quality, and possibly buy a reasonable priced player. The other issue would be to fix the price of the discs. They really should be around $15, not $30 or $35. That's a big turn-off for me now. I own both HD DVD and Blu-Ray, and have very few movies, because I refuse to shell out the money for them.
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29. February 2008 @ 05:35 |
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@ Klingon - Java is just a code language that is widely used.
Yes, it's everywhere (like in this browser), but the standalone Java install file I downloaded (I would have 2 dig around to find the original) was Huge in size and required a reboot. (Java itself is just basically text, isn't it?) but it has powerful command capability.
Anyway....... now that it's here with us, I hope Blu-Ray catches on in a big way, and Sony manages to straighten out its hefty DRM issues. I have yet to take the plunge. :)
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29. February 2008 @ 06:28 |
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A_Klingon, are you referring to the Java Runtime Environment install package? It is a 13.9mb archive which installs to the Windows Program Files directory as 70.1mb... I am thinking that this might not be it as I don't consider 70.1mb as huge... But just thought I'd ask.
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29. February 2008 @ 11:03 |
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Yep, I think that's it, Ryu77.
"Java Runtime Environment Version 5.0 Update 1.exe"
15, 814, 200 bytes.
OK, perhaps not as big as I had remembered, but as you say, it swells upon installation, and I have no idea how it affects the Windows Registry. Also, this may be quite an older version. (Nothing in the software world stays static for very long).
I've no idea what it does or what it's supposed to do, but it (seems) transparent enough most of the time.
I've noticed on some websites, that - when a Java screen kicks-in, you are pretty much at the mercy of it. (You can only click - on certain functions for example - it can be user-restrictive; it sort-of "takes over", if that is the right phrase. It can block your browser window right off the screen if it wants to.
In the Blu-Ray world, I think Java is just another means for User Control. I could be wrong. It may indeed provide additional features or options for the viewer (I myself would rather just have a good movie to watch without all the hoopla), but I think it's just mostly another way for Sony to exert control over how people use their system.
(But hell, what do I know?) ;-)
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29. February 2008 @ 14:51 |
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"It may indeed provide additional features or options for the viewer (I myself would rather just have a good movie to watch without all the hoopla), but I think it's just mostly another way for Sony to exert control over how people use their system."
We use AutoCad 2008 at my office, and I am always getting kicked out of the program. I then receive a "Java Runtime Error", (which from what I have read means that there is some bad code writing or a conflict with another program). It sucks when you lose 20 minutes worth of work.
Anyways, I'm with you on the movie hoopla. Make a good product at a good price, and it will be well received. Those who steal it probably would have in the first place. If Sony doesn't change what they are doing, then I take no pitty on them. It would be their own fault. They would be the cause of the piracy. Oh, and it's only a matter of time before the current DRM is by-passed. That's how it always works. Sony better hurry to change or the consumer will tell them to shove off.
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29. February 2008 @ 17:07 |
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"More interestingly, HD DVD players have had PIP and Internet capabilities since 2006 meaning Blu-ray is still catching up."
FIGURES! Cheaper was better apparently.
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29. February 2008 @ 18:07 |
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Originally posted by r0b0t3ch:
"More interestingly, HD DVD players have had PIP and Internet capabilities since 2006 meaning Blu-ray is still catching up."
How does that relate to Java? Java uses a "Virtual Machine" to accommodate various interactive features on Blu-ray players. How are they still catching up? I believe this is a more advanced interactive feature set than HD-DVD offered.
Definition: Java generally refers to a combination of three things: the Java programming language (a high-level, object-oriented programming language); the Java Virtual Machine (a high-performance virtual machine that executes bytecodes on a specific computing platform, typically abbreviated JVM); and the Java platform, a JVM running compiled Java bytecodes, usually calling on a set of standard libraries such as those provided by Java Standard Edition (SE) or Enterprise Edition (EE). Though coupled by design, the language does not imply the JVM, and vice versa.
However, I do agree with some of what A_Klingon said. I have never been one to use the advanced features of a DVD and I doubt I will start now. If I put a disc in to watch a movie, I'm pretty sure I have made the decision to simply watch a movie! I just want to be blown away with crisp, life-like images and roaring, cinema like sound! :-D
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29. February 2008 @ 22:09 |
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Ryu77, what did you think all that extra space was for movies(laughs)
audio(laughs) that could easly have been done within 10 gigs of space
and you not going to put a pure stream on any 25-50 gig discs pure stream are just to large.
when this new disc technology came out i knew the were ether going to be filled with unwanted garbage or the first 10 gigs filled with drm. they already have discs filled with enough rootkits to make you puke
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