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Dreamworks stuck with Toshiba, HD DVD
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 27 February, 2008
Dreamworks Studios has announced that they are still "locked" into an exclusivity deal with Toshiba to distribute their movies on HD DVD only and would continue to do so until Toshiba tells them differently.
"We have a partnership with Toshiba and have an obligation to see this through," DreamWorks Chief Executive Jeffrey Katzenberg said.
"As you know, we have been well-compensated ... [ read the full article ]
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A_Klingon
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29. February 2008 @ 22:47 |
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I disagree with you klingon,
Okie, Dokie! :-)
we don't have to live with it.
You misunderstand me. No, *you* or *I* don't have to (personally) live with it, BUT Blu-Ray is in the 'Hollywood Movie system' and maistream consumer marketplace now. HD-DVD is not. Blu-Ray with all of it's yummy DRM is WITH us whether we like it or not. Don't buy it if you don't want to, but as it is now THE dominant #1 optical disc format, you DO have to live with that! As does everyone else. AND, if player prices drop enough (they will), and disc prices do the same (they will), you sir, will be living with it sooner than you think. (Or find another Hi-Def alternative, or else be left in the cold).
For me, since I really don't play that many video games,
Me neither; I can't stand video games. I have enough to do playing 'head games' with people all day at work! :)
...I won't buy a PS3.
Ditto. Nor will I, llongtheD.
If the players drop down to a hundred bucks or less, and 20 a movie, then I might be willing to learn to live with sony's DRM infested format.
Yep. "Infested" is a very good and appropriate word here. Another form of cancer.
But I think we'll be waiting a long, LONG time for $100 Blu-Ray players - I fear that's just not in the works (I *want* to be dead wrong about that!).
I think maybe folks have become far too accustomed to seeing (and paying) $50 & less for a regular DVD player at their local Walmarts and Best Buys. They have become very comfortable with that idea. But when (ordinary) DVD was first released, I paid a whopping $1,500 !!! for Sony's flagship dvd player, which in retrospect, didn't have the same capabilities that a $40 Samsung dvd player has today. (It was built a hell of a lot better though).
And despite Sony's despicable DRM, *IF* Blu-Ray does indeed deliver what it promises minus all the "extra" built-in bull----, then, (well really), the Player would be worth ALL of $100 and a lot more too. Your 1080i Hi-Def LCD monitor will love you.
(Real)High-Definition is a wonderful thing, and ya only gets what ya pays for, right?
(Ummmmm..... so, you were disagreeing with me?) :)
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gerbs
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29. February 2008 @ 22:51 |
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Hey, little dude from Texas, home of the rabid capitalist that expect the many to make the few rich. You just don't understand it because your perspective is distorted by propaganda and american style brainwashing. DRM laws are there to assure the transfer of wealth from the many to the few. Sorry little dude, I will keep on poachin' from you royal bastards who have the money to buy the politicians who make the corporate laws you love so much!
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29. February 2008 @ 23:30 |
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Originally posted by gerbs:
Hey, little dude from Texas, home of the rabid capitalist that expect the many to make the few rich. You just don't understand it because your perspective is distorted by propaganda and american style brainwashing. DRM laws are there to assure the transfer of wealth from the many to the few. Sorry little dude, I will keep on poachin' from you royal bastards who have the money to buy the politicians who make the corporate laws you love so much!
I am from Australia... Doesn't that exclude me from American brainwashing? :-P As I posted earlier...
Originally posted by Ryu77:
I haven't seen anything on Blu-ray that would indicate any restrictions on consumer enjoyment. I absolutely do not believe that Blu-ray would include a DRM that would lock you into using a single player. If it did, then I too would boycott Blu-ray. Can I ask... Where did this notion come from anyway? Is there any proof that Sony/Blu-ray intend to do this or is this a case of Chinese Whispers?
I would really like to see this answered. Can anyone provide any real proof that Sony intend to lock Blu-ray discs into single players?
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29. February 2008 @ 23:58 |
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@ A_Klingon
Well said.
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gerbs
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1. March 2008 @ 01:11 |
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Sorry, RYU77, I meant my comment for YOBUZZBY from Dallas, TX, but yes the whole damn world has suffered from American Political Corporation Brainwashing.
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1. March 2008 @ 01:16 |
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lol@gerbs... I figured that.
I still stand by my post though. I really would like to see proof that Sony plans to lock Blu-ray discs onto a single player... Anybody?
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A_Klingon
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1. March 2008 @ 05:06 |
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I am from Australia... Doesn't that exclude me from American brainwashing? :-P As I posted earlier...
Oh Wow! Tie me kangaroo down, boy.... <gg> I'm from Canada myself.
The folks from The Lone Star State ain't all bad, RYU77. They gave us two wonderful things I can think of right off the top of my head - the magnificient actor/comedian Steve Martin, and probably the greatest rock guitarist who ever lived - Mr. Stevie Ray Vaughan.
Oh yeah, and they make a Bitchin' barbequed steak, and don't forget the wonderful "King Of The Hill" cartoon series!
(Besides, if I tease them too much, they'll all gang up on me and beat me up!) ;-)
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1. March 2008 @ 05:25 |
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A_Klingon, I really don't have a problem with any Country at all. I have made friends in many Countries. I actually spent 3 months in Texas in 2005 to help kick off a business venture. My post was directed cheekily to gerbs.
I personally think that people are taking this DRM thing too far. It's almost psychopathic, like a severe case of Paranoia! Oh no.... It's the DRM monster again. Imagine waking up in the middle of the night screaming "The Rootkits are coming! The Rootkits are coming!".
These people seem to constantly talk about something that hasn't happened and hasn't shown any signs of happening. Until it does actually happen... I just wish they would shut up, put a Blu-ray movie into a flippin' player and enjoy the damn thing! There are two types of people in this World, they are optimists and pessimists. I believe that the optimist gets the most out of life. While the latter... Well I am sure that I don't need to state the obvious.
Seriously, I believe 100% that Sony will not do anything to restrict use of genuine Blu-ray discs on any capable Blu-ray platform to not be able to enjoy it as intended. If I am wrong about this, I will eat my words and then re-consider my position as a Blu-ray consumer.
Let's get one thing straight... There is a big difference between anti-consumer and anti-pirate.
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A_Klingon
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1. March 2008 @ 08:24 |
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I personally think that people are taking this DRM thing too far.
Noop. Quite the contrary, it's Sony who has taken DRM too far.
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These people seem to constantly talk about something that hasn't happened and hasn't shown any signs of happening.
It HAS happened. It's a known given. Blu-Ray is the most DRM-ridden optical disc format ever devised, and if Sony has their way, it will only get worse. They're DRM champions. Right up (down?) there with Microsoft. I'll explain below.
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There are two types of people in this World, they are optimists and pessimists.
You forgot the realists. They're the people who can see the 'forest for the trees'; the ones who can smell a rat a mile away; the ones who stand up for their rights as consumers; the ones who do not and will not take everything shoved down their throats (up their ass**?) by Big Business with vested interests; the ones who have been lied to before and don't intend to be led down the garden path with a ring through their nose ever again ("Once bitten, twice shy" - in Sony's case, they have bitten repeatedly); the ones who SHELL OUT THE BIG $$$ to keep the greedy corporations, their wives, mistresses, lawyers and families in BMWs and Florida Vacation resorts.
IMHO you have the right to make a legitimate Fair-Use backup of any expensive retail disc you have purchased. You can argue until you're "Blu" in the face <gg> that Sony's DRM is simply meant to protect what is theirs. Well! At $30-$35-a-pop, I have a right to protect what is mine too!
I'm not talking about dedicated PIRATES who make illegal copies right down to the packaging on a wholesale, massive basis - the studios have a legitimate concern there, but they have constantly used the lame excuse for years, crying into their champagnes all-the-way-to-the-bank, that it's all the paying *consumer's* fault.
DRM is not "Copy Protection" - it is Copy Corruption. A deliberate attempt to introduce so many Core Errors into the disc system so that you cannot make a backup copy on your home PC. The next time you buy a $35 Profile 2.0 disc and find it won't play on your older Sony Profile 1.1 player, maybe you'll start loathing DRM too.
I don't belive in 'DRM monsters', but I have seen enough Corporate Greed, paid-off politicians and corrupt attorneys to last a lifetime. DVD has been very very good to both the software and hardware industries if you ask me. Even today, with regular DVD, the newer waves of "copy protection" (you'll see the little 'These Discs Are CopyProtected' logo on the box), render some newer retail discs unplayable on some players, or else they stick or stutter or temporarily freeze up..... Can Blu-Ray be far behind? No, not with Sony's track record, they won't.
And it's all the *other* s----t about Blu-Ray that bugs me too, Ryu77. Since I don't yet own a blu-ray player and cannot speak from experience, maybe I should just shut my mouth until I get one.
But I will not tolerate things like being *required* to have a mandatory internet hookup to get "permission" to play an 'authorized' disc (remember the old, original Circuit-City DivX system?), nor do I intend to "register" my disc purchases on anyone's 'official' website, nor do I intend to have my viewing habits monitored by *anyone* at Sony or anywhere else.
I have NO use for disc-based, active links to web-sites offering "extras" like stupid goodamned movie-themed GAMES (which by the way, you pay for when you buy your discs, whether you ever use them or not), and the list just goes on and on.
No my friend - I don't like Sony's DRM *AT ALL*. If you're not careful and let it go unchecked, that (supposedly benign) cancerous blu-ray tumour you just found on your new disc, will become maglignant and spread to the rest of your disc collection.
Don't say I didn't try to warns ya. :-)
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1. March 2008 @ 09:35 |
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Klingy, A very well worded post and I can see you're quite passionate about your thoughts too. I admire that.
In regards to the third type of person... A "Realist". I believe that either an Optimist or a Pessimist can also be part of the Realist group. That is more about perspective. An Optimist can see something bad is about to happen and choose not to be involved in any way. A Pessimist on the other hand also sees it's about to happen and thinks "Awesome, now I have a chance to complain". I believe I am a Realist, and on that note has any of the above DRM related statements actually happened to anyone?
I think we might have to agree to disagree... My opinion is as long as I can enjoy Blu-ray without any of the DRM catastrophes actually becoming a reality, then I am happy to continue to enjoy my 1080p HD movies... While the others do not.
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1. March 2008 @ 11:00 |
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wow, people are quite passionate about making illegal copies of dvds and incredibly eager to buy them from other countries. there also mad about the fact that blu rays seem to only play in blu ray players... thats why dvd is so great cuz you can steal movies in the format making it cheaper for us consumers since our movies doesnt have to go to the companie, their cheaper since theyve been around longer and we can play them every where since u dont really need a dvd player to play a dvd. and we all know that we tend to buy our dvds anywhere outside the country and all that.
thats why blu ray will fail i tell you! jeez i guess now that hd dvd will about to be defunct, this is an argument we will have to live with for the next 40 years!!! lord save us all, the end is coming i tell you!!!! its all conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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1. March 2008 @ 11:08 |
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Originally posted by jove:
wow, people are quite passionate about making illegal copies of dvds and incredibly eager to buy them from other countries. there also mad about the fact that blu rays seem to only play in blu ray players... thats why dvd is so great cuz you can steal movies in the format making it cheaper for us consumers since our movies doesnt have to go to the companie, their cheaper since theyve been around longer and we can play them every where since u dont really need a dvd player to play a dvd. and we all know that we tend to buy our dvds anywhere outside the country and all that.
thats why blu ray will fail i tell you! jeez i guess now that hd dvd will about to be defunct, this is an argument we will have to live with for the next 40 years!!! lord save us all, the end is coming i tell you!!!! its all conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
40 years from now I doubt that anyone will even remember what HDDVD or BluRay were.
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1. March 2008 @ 11:08 |
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*******since our money**********
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gerbs
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1. March 2008 @ 13:44 |
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Kling-on, You are about 100% Right on.
Now for myself, Ive made over sixty trips around the sun and much of my optimism has been stripped away, the worst being the last 7 years of Texan Rule. We are not consumers on a level playing field, politicians are bought out by big money so they will serve them-the few, not us the many. Texas has been one of the pioneer states in this type of government and why the good people of the state keep bending over is beyond me. Texas style optimism took this country right to Iraq. Now you who say this has nothing to do with DRM I say that if you can show me how this is not related to politics I will shut up.
About Sony: I once sought out their products. They were a great company with great products. The day they took over my computer because I copied a CD to play in my car I said never again. Now I am told to just wait and see what they do with this new product. Oh yes I am ever so optimistic!
Love you all, and peace--
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domie
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1. March 2008 @ 16:19 |
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Originally posted by A_Klingon:
Blu-Ray with all of it's yummy DRM is WITH us whether we like it or not. Don't buy it if you don't want to, but as it is now THE dominant #1 optical disc format, you DO have to live with that! ?)
silly me and here was I thinking that DVD was the dominant optical disc format :P ( just rib-pulling and nit picking , live long and prosper ;)
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1. March 2008 @ 17:01 |
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Originally posted by gerbs:
Hey, little dude from Texas, home of the rabid capitalist that expect the many to make the few rich. You just don't understand it because your perspective is distorted by propaganda and american style brainwashing. DRM laws are there to assure the transfer of wealth from the many to the few. Sorry little dude, I will keep on poachin' from you royal bastards who have the money to buy the politicians who make the corporate laws you love so much!
WOW!! You obviously have no understanding of the American mind-set where politicians or the corporate few you refer to are concerned. I think you're the one believing propaganda and are brainwashed. Are you kidding? Because I'm American I've got money to simply throw away. Guess again my Aussie friend! And frankly, I could give a dingo's butt as to why DRM's are imposed......I DON'T LIKE IT!!! Oh, and by the way...haven't you heard? Nothing "little" ever came from Texas!(~:
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1. March 2008 @ 19:08 |
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Oh, and by the way...haven't you heard? Nothing "little" ever came from Texas!(~:
God help us all, you are so correct. The last 7 years have taught us that our present woes are due to Texas' BIG export......Mr Shrubbery.
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1. March 2008 @ 19:30 |
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Hey guys, come on now...
Let's not turn this into a World War... lol. It's really not nice to start trying to prove which Country or State is better than the other. Every person, no matter where they're from has their strengths and weaknesses. We can all be friends here. We should be mature enough to share our views without getting into an argument. Let's get back to topic. :-D
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1. March 2008 @ 20:11 |
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Great discussions. What kind of "TV" would you recommend to best view the BLUE RAY?
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Originally posted by retepa:
Great discussions. What kind of "TV" would you recommend to best view the BLUE RAY?
Your question is too open. It will likely result in too many opinions that will differ so greatly that you will be more confused than you were when you started... :-P
I would recommend looking through some of the threads here... http://forums.afterdawn.com/forum_view.cfm/107
Also, you should do a little research on your own. Go into some shops, have a look around and see what appeals to you. Google some of the models you are interested in to get more information and reviews.
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Plasma/LCD/Rear projection ...etc.
Which, viewing device, will best show the Blue Ray disc in all its glory?
When you go into stores the sales people differ on choice. My only explanation for this
is stores instruct their sales people to "plug" certain products.
Think personal, consumer, opinions are more valuable.
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A_Klingon
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2. March 2008 @ 07:59 |
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Thanks for all the feedback, guys, both pro and con.
Up until now I couldn't even consider buying a Blu Ray player (or HD-DVD one for that matter) while the format war was still raging (which alone should tell you volumes about corporate greed) - and I'm not still convinced that getting one is the wisest thing to do while Sony's final blu-ray specifications are still (apparently?) in a bit of ongoing flux. I think it is a bit premature to buy (inve$t-long-term) into any new system who's basic, underlying specifications haven't been completely set in stone yet. And with the Sony-vs-Toshiba debacle, it's been one wild-&-whacky 'race to the finish line'.
But at least - with the current 'war' behind us, it's makes the decision to get a blu ray player a lot more sensible. (Of *course* I'm going to get one!) If I seem overly negative, maybe it's because I've seen so much crap foisted on us before, and I want to make it clear to Sony to avoid making these same mistakes in the future. I have very high hopes for Blu-Ray indeed, for myself all consumers alike.
I don't inherently dislike Sony (god only knows how much time I've spent in their retail stores ["The Sony Store"] and how many $$$$ I have spent on their (somewhat pricey) equipment over the years, but I'd hate to see them repeat the same mistakes that have been made over the years with regular DVD. (Which would take about another 500 posts to explain here!!) :-)
And don't forget, it's the 'Squeaky wheel that gets the grease'. If you don't make your concerns known, well......, maybe you will deserve all that you get.
Time to hunker down now and do some research on Profile 2.0 players.
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2. March 2008 @ 15:31 |
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Thanks for your work and help--it's good for all of us to have this discussion!
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A_Klingon
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3. March 2008 @ 10:10 |
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"Ah gots the Blues, Bay-Bay..."
Oh man, DEJA VU! Here we go again. "The Early-Adopter-Blues". Been there, done that, seen the movie already.
Just one quick example - the Sony BDP-S300:
It's friggin' ridiculous - this time coupled with more, unspecified, vague, potentially infuriating DRM. (I did warn you, but then most of you knew about it anyway). Says the Canadian Sony website:
Certain circumstances may limit/prevent Blu-ray Disc, CD or DVD Playback.
Well, if I can't get any more specific information than that, I won't be buying this model. And anyway, don't ALL Sony-licensed machines (regardless of brand name/manufacturer) need to adhere to the same DRM crap?
More woes - the USA Walmart price is $369.54. (I could live with that). Here in Canada, if I wanna trot down to the local Sony Retailer, they'll ORDER the player for me for $499.99. No they won't sell it to me. (It really is still way too early for this blu-ray stuff.)
$130.45 difference in the price. Same machine. (Minus shipping). Last time I checked, our Canadian Dollar was worth $1.02 US. What gives? We're being gouged again. And I still have yet to get a 1080p monitor/tv. Could get pricey.
There are NO blu-ray titles at my local walmart. On the USA Walmart website there are a few, but damned little that interested me, and most of which I've already seen multiple-multiple times.
"Same old Same old", as they say. The more things change the more they stay the same.
Methinks I'm going to wait to see shelf-fulls of blu-ray discs AND players before I budge this time.
gerbs, have you taken the plunge yet? Ryu77, what player are you using?
[Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...] :-)
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3. March 2008 @ 11:06 |
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A_Klingon:
A word of advice: Forget about the Sony standalones.
I recently got a Panasonic DMP-BD30 and it has played everything I've thrown at it (except of course for HD DVD's). There's at least a couple of other users here who will swear by their Panny's.
If you really need a 2.0 then wait for the DMP-BD50. It's got practically everything that the upcoming Sony S550 has.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/630898
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