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Is VMD serious comptetition for Blu-ray?
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article published on 3 March, 2008
The High Definition optical disc format war is over. You've read it here and elsewhere, and while some are upset that Blu-ray won, the overwhelming consensus is that a single format is best for everyone. So why does New Medium Enterprises (NME) want to start it up again? Probably because they believe their Versatile VMD format is capable of being a viable alternative to Blu-ray.
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ripxrush
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3. March 2008 @ 03:49 |
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you have got to be kidding me?! idiots! HD-DVD didn't win & they had more features & low production cost & studios behind them, i don't see this going anywhere!
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3. March 2008 @ 03:55 |
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Originally posted by ripxrush:
you have got to be kidding me?! idiots! HD-DVD didn't win & they had more features & low production cost & studios behind them, i don't see this going anywhere!
I agree. I mean, VMD might be the cheaper alternative, but the way I see it, that comes with a different price, namely the lack of certain features. I don't exactly see this going anywhere.
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nobrainer
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3. March 2008 @ 04:39 |
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DVD and downloads are what will crush Drm-Ray. Sony's outlook of total control of the media with anti-consumer DRM & licensing tactics that mean you own only a licence to use it not the actual product, basically an empty bag, will be its downfall. Anti-Consumer never lasts. Down with DRM-Ray and its privacy destruction.
Four reasons Blu-ray Disc will fail
Originally posted by hyperlink pc advisor:
The battle between the next-generation, high-definition optical disc formats was an exciting, if exasperating, contest to follow. But now that the smoke is clearing, and Blu-ray has officially kicked HD DVD's proverbial butt, why am I still waiting to buy a Blu-ray player?
CES: Blu-ray movies
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Las Vegas (NV) - Despite a nearly unprecedented level of anticipation, there really wasn't much to take away from today's Blu-ray press conference at CES, but a couple of the interactivity features seem promising.
being able to register Blu-ray Discs directly from the disc.
the last line is where it gets scary as they could lock it to one device, or one location and with the DRM embedded into the PSN release of warhawk that locks it to 1 account and taking away all rights of ownership this is not that far fetched and something sony is obviously doing to customers, so you'd all better get lubed up and bend over as sony's onslaught of ripping off the consumer is continuing as per usual.
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3. March 2008 @ 07:33 |
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This will fail only because people are lazy. Say that the enemy (NME) gets all of the features, there will be a problem. People will not be willing to go through another format war just because one company thinks they have a better product. I know I'm not. Plus, this is only the second reference I have heard about VMD so it is probably not very well known among the average consumer.
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SDF_GR
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3. March 2008 @ 08:29 |
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DVD and downloads are what will crush Drm-Ray. Sony's outlook of total control of the media with anti-consumer DRM & licensing tactics that mean you own only a licence to use it not the actual product, basically an empty bag, will be its downfall. Anti-Consumer never lasts. Down with DRM-Ray and its privacy destruction.
Even illegal(free) downloads couldn't stop physical media, you really think that legal(by pay) downloads will manage to crash BD? Get real.
Plus dont forget that legal Downloaded movies have DRM too.
2nd as the HD-TV sales going up day by day , BD players sales will go too and thats another factor why BD will keep going up and DVD (really slowly tho IMO) but eventually will go down.
and dont forget that Movie industries support DRM.
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3. March 2008 @ 08:30 |
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People will not be willing to go through another format war just because one company thinks they have a better product
Format wars aren't necessarily a bad thing, because without them there would be no competition. Competition lowers prices and gives cause for improvements.
Now that Sony has beaten down Toshiba with "under the table dealings" with movie studios and then bribed Toshiba to drop out altogether (that's right bribed)there is no competition left. Did Sony break antitrust laws by doing this?
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=10826
http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2008/02...does-it-matter/
Sony is the wrong company to take control of a format. Remember Sony is fully behind the RIAA ands MPAA thugs. Remember all the nice rootkits that Sony shared with unsuspecting consumers?
http://blogs.technet.com/markrussinovich...ne-too-far.aspx
Many of us are starting to create our own HD home movies but because of
the price of Blu-Ray burners and media it is a little on the expensive side. I don't care if a new format markets games and movies, I only care that an affordable HD backup system finds its way to the market.
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error5
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3. March 2008 @ 09:04 |
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
Format wars aren't necessarily a bad thing, because without them there would be no competition. Competition lowers prices and gives cause for improvements.
How then can you explain how regular DVD - without any competition - has managed to bring down its prices to $50 for an upconverter and $15 for a new release title?
For BluRay the competition will be between the different manufacturers. HD DVD had only one manufacturer and they artificaially deflated player prices to the point that it become non-viable for other makers.
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Many of us are starting to create our own HD home movies but because of the price of Blu-Ray burners and media it is a little on the expensive side.
My father's first standalone DVD recorder was a $2500 Panasonic imported from Japan and his first DVD-RW PC drive was $350 with blank discs costing $15 to $20 each.
Prices come down as the technology matures.
If you hate Sony so much then buy a Panasonic, a Pioneer or even a Denon. A Funai branded player from China will be coming soon at an expected MSRP of around $250 or less. IIRC most of the BluRay burners bundled with Sony Vaios were made by Matsushita/Panasonic.
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juankerr
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3. March 2008 @ 09:17 |
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Back to the VMD topic: It's my impression that the lack of studio support will spell an early doom for this format. The only market I see for VMD is the Bollywood fan who has to have his movies in HD.
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3. March 2008 @ 09:51 |
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How then can you explain how regular DVD - without any competition - has managed to bring down its prices to $50 for an upconverter and $15 for a new release title?
My previous point was directed at a need for HD burners and underlying media at reasonable costs, not prepackaged media and players.
Note that upconversion doesn't make standard DVD playback into actual HD content because it can't add what was never there in the first place. All upconversion is doing is upscaling the lower aspect ratio and pixel count of standard DVD to the higher aspect ration and pixel count of high-definition television. The picture quality remains unchanged.
To answer your question, there was two competing DVD formats with Sony once again in the picture. Remember the DVD-R and DVD+R debate. in the end both formats survived and we all benefited for it.That is perhaps one of the primary reasons for the lowered prices of standard DVD. Also adding to the lowering price of the standard DVD format is that it is cheap and easy to manufacture where Blu-Ray is expensive and difficult to manufacture.
If VMD falls into the easy to manufacture and inexpensive to operate category then it might get a leg hold just as DVD+R did, and it should be given a chance to survive. As I stated in my last post beyond prepackaged movies and games there is a need for affordable burners and media.
If you expect blu-Ray burners and media to seriously drop in price any time soon under the control of Sony, then you expect what never has been and what probably never will be. Imagine a $15 Blu-Ray coaster which is likely to happen on a buggy and expensive Blu-Ray burner. I shudder just to think about a $1.50 Dual layer coaster.;)
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atomicxl
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3. March 2008 @ 10:08 |
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This whole thing is full of fail. Had they launched when the others launched, maybe this format would have a chance. If these discs could be read by most devices that read DVDs, maybe this format would have a chance. If this had ANY major studio support, maybe it would have a chance.
But none of these are the case. They need some sort of haymaker to come into the game this late. A couple of jabs and hooks aren't gonna do squat.
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atomicxl
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3. March 2008 @ 10:08 |
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*double post*
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3. March 2008 @ 10:51 |
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It's my impression that the lack of studio support will spell an early doom for this format.
As juankerr said, lack of studio support will kill them! No support for the new hi-def audio formats? WTF, yea they will need to work on that as well.
Also, they don't seem to have any heavy DRM on their discs, for any company to back them, they are definitely going to have to step it up in that dept - look what happened to HD DVD.
I don't see this format doing so well.
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3. March 2008 @ 11:24 |
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What about HVD? LINK [URL=HTTP://www.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc]link[/url]
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pomelo
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3. March 2008 @ 12:26 |
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I waited awhile before choosing blu-ray, as did alot of other people. i just don't see two seperate formats surviving. i think HD VMD is wasting money, its too late for them. people simply do not like multiple formats. while i realize that VMD may have lower production costs, the US economy is reeling right now and introducing this format now is a bad idea.
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tripplite
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3. March 2008 @ 12:49 |
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dam there just to late+there out gunned sony...is just to much competition
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sciascia
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3. March 2008 @ 13:19 |
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Now that Sony has beaten down Toshiba with "under the table dealings" with movie studios and then bribed Toshiba to drop out altogether (that's right bribed)there is no competition left.
You act like Toshiba is clean or something. If Sony hadn't done it first, Toshiba would have. It's the nature of the beast.
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3. March 2008 @ 13:20 |
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i just don't see two seperate formats surviving. i think HD VMD is wasting money, its too late for them.
I too wonder if they have a chance distributing movie and games, but they might have a chance as a low cost burner if their media is reasonable. Their players are compatible with standard DVD so that might make it a bit more interesting to enthusiasts.
I don't know about you folks but if they can produce a recorder with $5 each media I would be game, but then I always go for fringe devices. I suffer seriously from insatiable curiosity.;)
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3. March 2008 @ 13:43 |
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Consumers dont care about DRM until tis locked enough of them out to start a class action suit.
Any format to take on BR needs 4 things lower price,same/better quality larger disc space and studio support.
BR is not going anywhere for the next 5 years unless the studios revolt on sony.
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You act like Toshiba is clean or something
Nah! I don't do much acting.;)
No one is saying that Toshiba is clean especially since they took to the bribe from Sony. I was advocating for the format and against Sony because they are bad news, but I wasn't advocating for Toshiba in any way. Check the context of my previous statements.
There are antitrust laws in most countries for a reason. Corporations never work to the best interest of others which leaves all of us to help them make better choices. If we get it right then everyone wins and if we get it wrong we get Sony, the RIAA, and the MPAA Nazis. This time we largely got it wrong because our choices could have made a difference.
When the DVD consortium adopted DVD-R as the chosen format Sony ignored them and gave us DVD+R, and this time Sony got it right. It was because of the introduction of DVD+R that the price of burners and media dropped dramatically, even though all movies were still being released in DVD-R format only. In time DVD+R burners began to win the burner market because of price and performance, but still no movies were being released in DVD+R. In time the issue was solved by simply making dual format burners and multi format players. Don't let anyone convince you that there is not enough room for competing formats. It is to our benefit to have them and not the corporations.
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I don't think any manufacturer will change format now that they have paid to be a part of the Blu-ray camp, and as they have already invested in manufacturing lines for Blu-ray it probably would't be worth it to change again. Also all the free press Blu-ray has gotten lately its becoming a household brand, even people who know nothing of technology have heard of Blu-ray, and that weighs a lot when marketing issues are considered.
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3. March 2008 @ 16:08 |
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vmd is a great format and it doesn't have all the features cuz it hasn't been used by major studios.
IF the three formats would have started at the same time, i'm sure vmd would have won, now it's just too late
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3. March 2008 @ 16:21 |
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Originally posted by chaos_zzz:
IF the three formats would have started at the same time, i'm sure vmd would have won, now it's just too late
Highly unlikely, with basically no DRM built in, this surely wouldn't have won over the movie studios. And with no support for the new hi-def audio codecs, I don't think anyone would have purchased that over HD DVD or Blu-ray - I know I wouldn't have.
Just 5 gigs more space on a single layer? Nah, that isn't worth giving up all the extras Blu or HD DVD had to offer.
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ighly unlikely, with basically no DRM built in, this surely wouldn't have won over the movie studios. And with no support for the new hi-def audio codecs, I don't think anyone would have purchased that over HD DVD or Blu-ray - I know I wouldn't have
So what is VMD's technology compared to Blu-Ray? It claims to be able to store up to 40 gigabytes on a single disc using a red laser where as Blu-ray can hit 50 gigabytes using a Blu-Ray laser. But then VMD can also use a blue laser and store up to 60 gigabytes and therefore beats Blu-Ray for storage.
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And with no support for the new hi-def audio codecs
The current high definition codecs standards are called (High Profile and Main Profile}and are licensed through MainConcept now owned by DiVx (a familiar name to all of us old video geeks) and SMPTE VC-1 - standard based on Microsoft's Windows Media Video (WMV) technology. Both are available for licensing to anyone who can pay for it, and as you know until recently Microsoft was supporting HD DVD.
VMD like HD DVD is easier and less expensive to manufacture and like HD DVD promises fewer bugs and greater standard DVD compatibility.
I don't think that VMD is likely to stand down to Sony because they are already making waves in the fringe indie movie market.
Here's thier website, read up on it:
http://www.nmeinc.com/index.aspx#
I'm not making any claims in favor of VMD but I can see them making an impact by supporting outside the mainstream HD video.
Here is a link to movies already available on VMD.
http://nmestore.com/index.php?cPath=2&os...e3906c1cec0c761
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tripplite
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3. March 2008 @ 17:16 |
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i smell serious fanboy arguments rioting allover this place!!
anyway right now id be happier if blu-ray stayed! its 9ish times the size of a dvd (thats huge), and id love to back them up!! am i right!
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