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US Attorney General claims piracy funds terrorism
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article published on 29 March, 2008
During a speech to Silicon Valley executives at the Tech Museum of Innovation, Attorney General Michael Mukasey warned that the "enormous" profits made from counterfeiting and piracy is flowing into the hands of terrorists and terrorist organizations.
Mukasey added that the "economy and national security of the United States are increasingly threatened by violations involving copyrighted ... [ read the full article ]
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domie
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30. March 2008 @ 06:10 |
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Originally posted by Ryu77:
Guys... Whooooaa. Slow down. Let's look at the article objectively.
This article is not referring to people that pirate for their own purposes or even the person down the road that has a catalog set up on word that he/she distrubutes via e-mail etc.
This article is referring to the professional underground operations that have factories equipped with machines that press discs (not burn) that look almost as good as the original.
what you say is true , no doubt but looking at the complete article - he is no doubt referring to that and also including p2p users in the equation also - look what he said more closely
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The Attorney General also noted that his department was now giving more resources to prosecuting intellectual property crimes, which has led to a 40 percent increase in IP cases since 2005. "Criminal syndicates, and in some cases even terrorist groups, view IP crime as a lucrative business and see it as a low-risk way to fund other activities," Mukasey said. "A primary goal of our IP enforcement mission is to show these criminals that they're wrong."
now I take that as not referring to dvd mass copying factories in China etc but a direct swipe at online sharers - after all - why would mass production of copied dvds etc need an IP ?
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30. March 2008 @ 06:28 |
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Originally posted by domie:
I take that as not referring to dvd mass copying factories in China etc but a direct swipe at online sharers - after all - why would mass production of copied dvds etc need an IP ?
Have you ever bought one of those bootleg DVD's from Asia? Some of them look very professional but when you play them you discover they are either a telecine, screener, telesync or at the worst a cam release! Where do you think they get their source material from? It has never been easier to obtain such material as it is today through p2p, but yes you are right also. Since it involves p2p to a very minimal extent. That means that if they get their own way, we will all suffer because of a few greedy underground operations. :-(
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30. March 2008 @ 16:06 |
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Isn't OIL the largest money maker for terrorist nations?
Lets see.....If we quit using OIL...how many countries would dry up and die?
HMMM I think ALL the one's supporting terrorism.....
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30. March 2008 @ 16:28 |
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>_> ... Nuff said.
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pmshah
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30. March 2008 @ 22:50 |
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Originally posted by Edikiss:
This is the funiest S!!! I have herd. but I fear this is a way that Big Bro will be able to slo down The world of Warez.
Because Boys and girls if this statment(US Attorney General claims piracy funds terrorism) gets adopted by the United States Senate.
The Goverment will be able to shut down a site just in the name of national securty. no if's ands are buts.
And if they can't get them to shutdown within a short notice period they will simply bomb the host data center into oblivion.
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EMIR
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31. March 2008 @ 00:35 |
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SAMO SERU MATER IM JEBEM BOLJE NAHRANITE GLADNE LJUDE SIROM SVJET....
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31. March 2008 @ 02:02 |
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Spin!!!!!
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ogden2
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31. March 2008 @ 07:24 |
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I hope those terrorists seed
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gramm1952
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31. March 2008 @ 08:15 |
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Your post shows that you really don't know as much as you think you do. You say that Bush can do anything he wants, and to hell with what Congress thinks. As for the gov not caring what the US people or Congress think, Congress IS part of the gov. Not only that, Congress can stop the war in Iraq any time it wants to. They have the purse strings, and can refuse to pay for it! Then it would come to a screeching halt, and there is NOTHING that Bush can do about it but cry! And Israel is not the problem in the Middle East. They gave the Gaza Strip back, even pulling some Israeli citizens out of their homes, and what did the Palestinians do then?! Say "Thank you"? Or "It's about time"? No. To show their appreciation, they ATTACKED Israel! See, if you give in to terrorists, they are not satisfied. They want more! I saw a web site that showed a timetable. The terrorists want the whole world (YES, the WHOLE WORLD!) to be under Islam by the year 2020. The timetable showed the various things that the terrorists would do to accomplish this, and they are on track. One way they are trying to accomplish this is by moving into various countries, and changing the people's mindset, and even governments. Much of Europe is ALREADY experiencing this. Remember the problem they had with artists? That is only part of it. they are trying to get people to bow to their will in ANY country. If the US stopped supporting Israel, and pulled out of Iraq, you probably think that everything would be okay. NO! The terrorists are not going to just stay home. And the US is NOT a terrorist org. FYI, another reason that the terrorists gave for 9/11 was that the US appeared to be weak, after being attacked many times and not fighting back. Can you say 'USS Cole' or '1993 tower bombing' and dozens of other attacks? I dare you to google all of the times that the US was attacked and didn't fight back. As far as Saddam goes, it is public knowledge that he was supporting terrorism. He was housing terorists in his own country, and paying for the actual acts! Look it up! There are other things misleading or untrue about your post, but that is enough for now. But of course, you are like all of the other sheep. Just know that you can not believe everything you read in the mainstream media, which is controlled by the left, and would LOVE to see Bush fail. I can't wait for Bush to be gone, so I am not a supporter. Don't even go there. I will also add one more thing, just in case you are a Democrat or believe as they do. President Putin, who is no friend of the U.S., said a few years ago that ANY Democrat who criticizes Bush for Iraq is a hypocrite, because Clinton did the same thing in Yugoslavia (only on a smaller scale). And he is in a position to know! What he said is also public knowledge, and you can google to find it. I did.
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Piracy, Paedophiles and Terrorism is how they are destroying our liberties with us all peacefully accepting it.
YOU all do know that before the illegal invasion of Iraq there were NO terrorists in the country, PPL you really need to read history because the rhetoric and propaganda that is put out by the western governments with the aid of corporate media is mostly LIES.
great movie about the destruction of UK rights by the labour government.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doci...earch&plindex=0
If you live in the USA, well you are F****D as your gov does not care what you or congress thinks, they will continue to act as they have been for years.
American foreign policy funds terrorism not piracy.
NEVER forget Rachel Corrie murdered by an Israel bulldozer.
Military AID is free weapons, 30 billion $ worth for Israel on top of the $24 billion America has already given, to continue, to illegally occupy Palestine and slaughter its inhabitants paid for by the American tax $!
In the official American 9/11 report Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's main motivation behind the attack was Americas continued support for ISRAEL this is in black and white freely available to anyone that can read! The pdf 9/11 report, its very heavy reading but i can help *5.2 The Planes Operation report page 154 about half way down "U.S. Support for Israel"*
http://www.9-11commission.gov
Report download page:
There was the public 9/11 commission on c-span stating that the main reason for the 9/11 attacks was the continued support for Israel in their quest to cleans the occupied state "Palestine" C-Span video can be found on youtube and here is the link:
Israel Violates UN Security Council, Occupying Syria's Land with Noam Chomsky: CLICK
Analysis: New US-Israeli arms deal (BBC) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6949904.stm
Originally posted by bbc link:
Thursday, 16 August 2007, 16:02 GMT 17:02 UK
This new agreement sets increased levels of US military aid for Israel over the coming decade.
In broad terms, Israel will receive a total of some $30bn (£14.8bn) in military aid, a significant increase over $24bn (£12bn) it received over the past 10 years.
US ARMS AID TO ISRAEL
$30bn over 10 years
1st payment of $2.55bn in 2008
Annual payments rising to $3.1bn by 2011
26.3% can be spent in Israel
Rest must be spent on US arms
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31. March 2008 @ 12:27 |
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rdmercer1, what country do you live in? I knew someone that lived in Asia. All the software and movies in the store were counterfit. He could guess because it was all so cheap and much of the software was US and Canadian versions of the software.
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31. March 2008 @ 13:11 |
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politics should be left out..i agree it's a stupid move for our government figures to be speaking something so boldly, but for christ's sake, let's not drag Bush into it..
the matter at hand is that someone important thinks piracy funds terrorism. I agree with somebody above that it is simply ridiculous if you go out and buy your pirated sh*t because it's all free online. I have only bought one DVD that was a R5 with laggy audio and that was only before I knew how to DL online.
However, I don't think I just put $2 towards a AK47 or some bullsh*t like that. it may be a lucrative business but if you'd show me some evidence of piracy supporting mass murder, rape, and kidnapping, then i'd care.
until then, it's all bullsh*t to me.
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johnny121
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31. March 2008 @ 13:28 |
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Nice bit of rhetoric- that I'd dismiss it off-the-cuff....IF it weren't an attempt at promoting a personal agenda by using a buzz-word mentality. If politicians can create even a 'perceived' link between their pocket-lining lobbiests' special interests and the big, bad face of terrorism, they've won.
The sad fact is, if they can get enough mindless politicians to get onboard with it, they could cause some REAL change. And what politician doesn't want to jump on a bandwagon and proclaim they're "fighting terrorism"....especially when elections are near?
Keep your eye on the REAL ball here, people.
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hermes_vb
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31. March 2008 @ 14:22 |
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BREAKING NEWS...
US Attorney General links piracy to Cancer, AIDS, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome and Flatulence...
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dvdsndict
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31. March 2008 @ 15:23 |
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What an absolute joke. Just goes to show how low the gov is willing to stoop
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dvdsndict
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31. March 2008 @ 15:23 |
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What an absolute joke. Just goes to show how low the gov is willing to stoop
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tefarko
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31. March 2008 @ 15:54 |
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Originally posted by johnny121:
Nice bit of rhetoric- that I'd dismiss it off-the-cuff....IF it weren't an attempt at promoting a personal agenda by using a buzz-word mentality. If politicians can create even a 'perceived' link between their pocket-lining lobbiests' special interests and the big, bad face of terrorism, they've won.
The sad fact is, if they can get enough mindless politicians to get onboard with it, they could cause some REAL change. And what politician doesn't want to jump on a bandwagon and proclaim they're "fighting terrorism"....especially when elections are near?
Keep your eye on the REAL ball here, people.
bingo!!!
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31. March 2008 @ 15:59 |
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Piracy, Paedophiles and Terrorism is how they are destroying our liberties with us all peacefully accepting it.
Don't forget about drugs!
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BREAKING NEWS...
US Attorney General links piracy to Cancer, AIDS, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome and Flatulence...
LMAO...
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31. March 2008 @ 16:24 |
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The Attorney General also noted that his department was now giving more resources to prosecuting intellectual property crimes, which has led to a 40 percent increase in IP cases since 2005. "Criminal syndicates, and in some cases even terrorist groups, view IP crime as a lucrative business and see it as a low-risk way to fund other activities," Mukasey said. "A primary goal of our IP enforcement mission is to show these criminals that they're wrong."
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now I take that as not referring to dvd mass copying factories in China etc but a direct swipe at online sharers - after all - why would mass production of copied dvds etc need an IP ?
By IP, he means INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY not INTERNET PROTOCOL. In other words, copyright laws.
I see people selling bootleg CD's and DVD's even in my small town, typically at the flea market or a corner store. It's ridiculous to make money off of this. At least I have enough tact to buy/pay/rent a CD/DVD and then make a backup copy of it, and not distribute it to anyone. I know I'm giving back to the industry making the IP and not terrorists! LOL
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31. March 2008 @ 20:06 |
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I'm not going to post all my points again as they contain more than enough material to support my thoughts but most of you are missing the point.
You are only looking out your window at your own backyard. We are talking on a gloabal scale here. If any of you have travelled to a developing or troubled (violent, terrorised etc.) Country then you will see a completely different culture where piracy is a huge business. It thrives so well that in many cases it is more lucrative than drugs! Many of the terrorist or criminal syndicates have their links to these operations in order to fund their activities. Now of course the article isn't stating that is the only way they make money... But... Getting a job certainly isn't on the agenda! :-P
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1. April 2008 @ 21:30 |
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Who BUYS a bootleg anymore?
New Slogan the US Gov't can use.
Use BitTorrent! Or the Terrorists win!
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1. April 2008 @ 21:41 |
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The bomb has been diffused
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Mez
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2. April 2008 @ 14:42 |
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hermes_vb, you have my sense of humor!
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hermes_vb
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3. April 2008 @ 00:37 |
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You've got to have a twisted sense of humor nowadays. With all the crap that's happening now, the alternative would be shipping some bombs via FedEx. LOL.
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15. April 2008 @ 20:43 |
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Piracy Does Not Fund Terrorism US Government Funds Terrorism they use humvees at the war in Iraq Humvees take city 13 Highway 16
they take up too much gas and where do they get it from the oil companies which fund terrorist groups plus who the hell buys pirated movies
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16. April 2008 @ 05:38 |
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@ Ryu77 ##
he is using terrorism as a way to clamp down on rights even further and introduce tighter control and higher penalties as there are already laws in place to deal with mass IP infringement on a large scale for criminal gangs/mafia.
you think this is a new phenomenon, America clamped down on IP years ago, why do you think the Large pharmaceuticals based in the US are allowed to pedal death to 3rd world countries by blocking cheap generic drugs (IP copywrite).
what would be interesting is to find out what lobbyists Michael Mukasey has been speaking to lately or recent bank transactions! As i'm sure the IFPI/MPAA would love all IP violations to be a criminal offence so the tax payers had to pay for their mass suits.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/200...ding-bills.html
Originally posted by link:
Published: April 15, 2008 - 10:50PM CT
For over a year, the RIAA has been going after file sharing on college campuses via the courts (it sent out another 569 "prelitigation settlement letters" just last week). Last year saw Big Content turn the pressure up on Congress to do something about P2P on college campuses: namely, trying to get legislation enacted that forces schools to act as copyright cops on the industry's behalf. A bill that includes this language passed the House of Representatives in February, while at least two states are considering bills with suspiciously similar language. The academic world seems to have become concerned about these bills, and is starting to do its own lobbying.
college kids turn terrorists, who pays for bootlegs?
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