|
Virgin Media gives pirates three strikes and your out alternative
|
|
The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 31 March, 2008
After last month's "three strikes and you're off the Internet" announcement in the UK was made official, it seems the large ISP Virgin Media will be the first to implement the plan.
Although record labels have been pushing for a plan like this for years, it is not even known yet whether the actual measures are legal. The government is expected to have a meeting on that very subject sometime ... [ read the full article ]
Please read the original article before posting your comments.
|
|
domie
Member
|
1. April 2008 @ 18:32 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by DjDanio:
People who say that newsgroups are safe etc etc are so gullible.
If some hacker can get past their millions of pounds worth of drm, why can't they find a way to track down these so called untraceable file sharers
I don't think anyone is saying that News Groups are safe - nothing involving the downloading of illegal copyrighted material can be considered safe but it sure is a hell of a lot safer than Bit Torrent or EMule or Kazaa etc.
The point is they are not file sharers - that's the beauty of it - apart from the original poster who uploads the file to a news servers , nobody shares anything - it is a direct download and if you pay for an encrypted service then even safer - certainly safer than flashing your IP and filelist on p2p networks.
One look at the legal news on this site will show you where the heat has been in the last years - ed2k, bit torrent, kazaa etc - barely a mention of newsgroups.
Now that may very well change in the future but at the moment it is the safest bet by far.The only newsgroup bust reported here is regarding child pornography and that's not a realistic analogy to claim newsgroups are dangerous - we all know what sweeping powers and interests the police have to bust child porn rings and so they should have but the MPAA and RIAA etc haven't been able to cross the line into newsgroups yet and they are the ones who attack file sharers/downloaders that are non child porn related.
|
|
Advertisement
|
|
|
|
|
weedude99
Member
|
1. April 2008 @ 18:33 |
Link to this message
|
|
oh great, im with virgin -_-
But just from reading the article, is this only targeting music downloads? doesnt mention anything about movies and games etc.
also, are they not going to fine you for doing this or is it just a matter of losing your service?
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 1. April 2008 @ 18:35
|
|
juniR
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
2. April 2008 @ 16:04 |
Link to this message
|
|
I'm with virgin for net, phone and TV - 1 strike and they're out :)
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 2. April 2008 @ 16:06
|
|
akira247
Junior Member
1 product review
|
2. April 2008 @ 16:50 |
Link to this message
|
|
i dont see the point in 20MB broadband if your not gona use it to download torrent,and why are they gona up it to 40MB soon??
if all your aloud to do is surf the web pages and pictures????
couldnt you do that with dial up??
im on virgin media max,its ok at moment,but they restrict torrent downloads in the evening,but unlimited in day...
how the hell are they gona inspect every person on there network,and look at what they download??? wether its legal or not??
would virgin take on this huge challenge,and loose customers let right and center,this is one reason i ever change my isp,they ban torrent downloads... f*$*'rs
|
Senior Member
|
2. April 2008 @ 18:32 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by akira247:
i dont see the point in 20MB broadband if your not gona use it to download torrent,and why are they gona up it to 40MB soon??
if all your aloud to do is surf the web pages and pictures????
The main reason for increasing the bandwidth is to allow for streaming video. You can also benefit by downloading legal songs, such as iTunes. In order for Netflix and other video on demand sites to be acceptable, you'll need to have enough bandwidth. Of course, there are other benefits as well, on-line gaming, VoIP, etc..., but video is the big one.
|
|
DRokKer
Newbie
|
3. April 2008 @ 14:17 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by juniR:
I'm with virgin for net, phone and TV - 1 strike and they're out :)
same here, theres cheaper options out there if they start making threats.
it also passable there just paying lip service to the mafia lobbyists.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 3. April 2008 @ 14:18
|
|
aralerm
Junior Member
|
3. April 2008 @ 15:13 |
Link to this message
|
|
I am a virgin customer as well. I noticed that the download speed is
reduced after 17:00 PM and I am really thinking to get a tv with freeview
a BT line and change provider...with unlimited download and no throttle speed.
My curiosity is: if one does not download music but isos for software or games will they strike? in the article it says that the BPI will use a team of technicians to check and enforce the copyrights laws.
I wonder...well if I receive just one letter from them I will change provider....as simple as that and in extreme cases rely on newsgroups
|
|
dabs40
Newbie
|
3. April 2008 @ 15:31 |
Link to this message
|
it's a dangerous game for both sides...
for every game there is a rule...you obey it or you bend it but you know what might happen to you if you get caught.
and if you get caught and they ban you, they also lose a customer...
if we're talking money,i think they will think twice before they ban you...( depending on what kind of contract you have with your isp).
the more you pay for your service ( tv + tel + internet),the hardest it's going to be for them to lose you as a customer( or should i say your money...).
we're talking around £ 70-80 / month. now you multiply this by a couple of thouthands,and we start talking big loss of money ( even though they could be giants like virgin,etc... a loss is a loss and they don't like to lose money...:)
tricky problem which i hope will never be put into force.
live and let live...
|
|
davolente
Newbie
|
4. April 2008 @ 18:29 |
Link to this message
|
|
How dare they set themselves up as judge and jury! How will they know who has been downloading illegally unless they snoop on customers` traffic? Sounds dodgy in the extreme to me, as how will they differentiate between legit stuff, such as Linux distributions, personal files, etc. and the shady stuff? This will only serve to alienate both the ISP`s and the poor, impoverished (not)record companies. Surely there are going to be ways around this, such as encryption?
|
|
nobrainer
Suspended permanently
|
5. April 2008 @ 01:05 |
Link to this message
|
One ISP is fighting back!
One small step for files sharers, one giant leap for the freedom of information from the spying overseers and the still wannabe gatekeepers of our culture/media.
Carphone Warehouse stares down BPI and UK.gov on three strikes
Originally posted by above hyperlink:
Carphone Warehouse has called the government's bluff by stating that it will not cooperate with the record industry to clamp down on copyright infringement over peer-to-peer networks.
In a statement today, CEO Charles Dunstone said: "Our position is very clear, we are the conduit* that gives users access to the Internet, we do not control the Internet nor do we control what our users do on the Internet."
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 5. April 2008 @ 01:15
|
|
oxosbase
Newbie
|
5. April 2008 @ 04:45 |
Link to this message
|
|
what we really need is something to get us round this.ive read of things like peerguardian and other bits of software that block your ip address. do these things work? what i need is some of you computor nerds to knock up some software that works. i would gladly pay a small fee every month for something that works. come someone, theres a way round this, it just needs finding?
|
|
Tecpos
Newbie
|
5. April 2008 @ 04:50 |
Link to this message
|
|
I've been looking for a way out of my contract with Virgin media since the day I signed it. Their service is dire & they have the cheeck to expect £50 to cancel in the fist year.
This seems like a way of getting out early for free.
Will they send you a mac code along with the terminiation letter ?
|
|
danj
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
5. April 2008 @ 05:23 |
Link to this message
|
|
I am with Virgin, So is my neighbor about to get a warning when i use his wireless network to download mp3's?
|
|
KarlSteer
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
5. April 2008 @ 14:21 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by FreqNasty:
Why doesn't the train wreck that the UK is do something useful like stopping all the illegal immigrants coming in. You wonder why you have such have high taxes there? All those immigrants get spoon fed with welfare, health care, housing.
Please be more tolerant. Immigrants are more useful to the country than you might think. A little research of the economics will show you why.
|
Junior Member
|
6. April 2008 @ 10:13 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by oxosbase:
what we really need is something to get us round this.ive read of things like peerguardian and other bits of software that block your ip address. do these things work? what i need is some of you computor nerds to knock up some software that works. i would gladly pay a small fee every month for something that works. come someone, theres a way round this, it just needs finding?
does anyone know a good ip address blocker?
|
Junior Member
|
6. April 2008 @ 12:48 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by danj:
I am with Virgin, So is my neighbor about to get a warning when i use his wireless network to download mp3's?
does your neighbor know that you use his wireless network.
|
|
tomkinson
Newbie
|
7. April 2008 @ 08:17 |
Link to this message
|
How is this going to work - can't you mask your usage statistics with most torretn software. I use Azureus sometimes you can do it with that?
|
Junior Member
|
7. April 2008 @ 19:57 |
Link to this message
|
Quote:
Originally posted by oxosbase:
what we really need is something to get us round this.ive read of things like peerguardian and other bits of software that block your ip address. do these things work? what i need is some of you computor nerds to knock up some software that works. i would gladly pay a small fee every month for something that works. come someone, theres a way round this, it just needs finding?
does anyone know a good ip address blocker?
Peer Guardian is a excellent IP blocker, which I use along with Kaspersky Internet Security. Peer Guardian is now currently blocking 772,679,600 IPs for me! They have "lists" that you can check of whom you want to block...like "goverment, ads, P2P, spyware..." and this doesn't conflict with Azureus (I use for downloading)...and the best thing...it's free...the bad thing...they are currenly working on a "Vista" version (soon to be out).
Here is a example of some IP's that tried to come through on my system... (who are these guys?!!):
DSL.net, Inc ........................ I don't know you..
Fraunhofer FOKUS CC SatCom .......... Military crap??
PROVIDER ............................ Yea, right.
Beyond The Network America, Inc...... Beyond what?
City of Lebanon ..................... I have never been there!
IDG COMMUNICATIONS VERLAG............ I might know you? No!
Bundesministerium fuer Unterricht und kulturelle ... What the hell!!
Hope this helps... Here is Peer Guardian's website to download...
http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/
Cheers!
|
|
varnull
Suspended permanently
|
7. April 2008 @ 20:51 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by KarlSteer:
Originally posted by FreqNasty:
Why doesn't the train wreck that the UK is do something useful like stopping all the illegal immigrants coming in. You wonder why you have such have high taxes there? All those immigrants get spoon fed with welfare, health care, housing.
Please be more tolerant. Immigrants are more useful to the country than you might think. A little research of the economics will show you why.
Yeah.. they come in, get all the free healthcare that we pay for, work for less than the minimum wage cash in hand then vanish off to spend all they have earned back where they come from where things are cheaper..
How is that helping our economy??.. Oh yeah.. Virtually free labour to keep the impoverished workers (like me) meek and quiet.. We have NO RIGHTS left in this country.. It's like being a Tibetan.
|
|
juniR
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
7. April 2008 @ 22:41 |
Link to this message
|
|
Virgin - 3 strikes and you lose your internet connection.
Tibetan - 3 strikes and you lose consciousness - prolly for good.
Just an effort to remind ppl what the topic is and also bring a lil realistic perspective. ;)
|
|
ianv01
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
8. April 2008 @ 05:49 |
Link to this message
|
|
We could copy music/movies the old fashioned way - 'buy' it from a shop, copy it, scratch it and return it claiming 'it's faulty'!
|
Junior Member
|
8. April 2008 @ 07:03 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by ianv01:
We could copy music/movies the old fashioned way - 'buy' it from a shop, copy it, scratch it and return it claiming 'it's faulty'!
that word not work because some shops will know.
|
Junior Member
|
8. April 2008 @ 07:10 |
Link to this message
|
Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by oxosbase:
what we really need is something to get us round this.ive read of things like peerguardian and other bits of software that block your ip address. do these things work? what i need is some of you computor nerds to knock up some software that works. i would gladly pay a small fee every month for something that works. come someone, theres a way round this, it just needs finding?
does anyone know a good ip address blocker?
Peer Guardian is a excellent IP blocker, which I use along with Kaspersky Internet Security. Peer Guardian is now currently blocking 772,679,600 IPs for me! They have "lists" that you can check of whom you want to block...like "goverment, ads, P2P, spyware..." and this doesn't conflict with Azureus (I use for downloading)...and the best thing...it's free...the bad thing...they are currenly working on a "Vista" version (soon to be out).
Here is a example of some IP's that tried to come through on my system... (who are these guys?!!):
DSL.net, Inc ........................ I don't know you..
Fraunhofer FOKUS CC SatCom .......... Military crap??
PROVIDER ............................ Yea, right.
Beyond The Network America, Inc...... Beyond what?
City of Lebanon ..................... I have never been there!
IDG COMMUNICATIONS VERLAG............ I might know you? No!
Bundesministerium fuer Unterricht und kulturelle ... What the hell!!
Hope this helps... Here is Peer Guardian's website to download...
http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/
Cheers!
does anyone know what this Vista" version they are working on?
|
Senior Member
|
8. April 2008 @ 10:08 |
Link to this message
|
Quote:
Originally posted by oxosbase:
what we really need is something to get us round this.ive read of things like peerguardian and other bits of software that block your ip address. do these things work? what i need is some of you computor nerds to knock up some software that works. i would gladly pay a small fee every month for something that works. come someone, theres a way round this, it just needs finding?
does anyone know a good ip address blocker?
A IP blocker isn't going to stop your ISP from watching and following you just sites you visit will be blocked.
You would need to spoof your broadband modem which you can do with certain ones. But that gets tricky to do and you would end up getting someone else kicked off and would have to assimilate someone else?s account.
I can do this with my modem after flashing the BIOS and then spoofing someones account.
Comcast has been doing something like Virgin by shutting down bitorrents but the gov has stepped in and told them it's illegal to do so, it should be for Virgin as well. How do they know if, or if not, your doing something illegal, you may have or have bought the CD of the music you are downloading? They are considering you guilty by assumption, which really isn't new these days unfortunately.
|
|
Advertisement
|
|
|
|
gaazzaa
Newbie
|
8. April 2008 @ 11:04 |
Link to this message
|
|
I download a lot of tv shows such as stargate atlantis/24/battlestar galactica/coronation street for the wife etc. I have already paid for these shows through tv license and sky digital. Would these be classed as illegal downloads through virgins eyes or would these be okay. Iam with aol at the moment and would never consider virgin now. gaazzaa
|
