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Virgin Media gives pirates three strikes and your out alternative
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 31 March, 2008
After last month's "three strikes and you're off the Internet" announcement in the UK was made official, it seems the large ISP Virgin Media will be the first to implement the plan.
Although record labels have been pushing for a plan like this for years, it is not even known yet whether the actual measures are legal. The government is expected to have a meeting on that very subject sometime ... [ read the full article ]
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8. April 2008 @ 13:14 |
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i am currently with virgin ( well ntl until the takeover happend) and wont be for much longer the way there going.
they need to get a grip first they break the contract with sky so we cant watch that anymore and now this WE ARE THERE CUSTOMERS WHO PAY THERE WAGES they should be on our side.
they put this into action they stand to lose millions and i hope they do.
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Bozobub
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8. April 2008 @ 14:29 |
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Originally posted by gaazzaa:
I download a lot of tv shows such as stargate atlantis/24/battlestar galactica/coronation street for the wife etc. I have already paid for these shows through tv license and sky digital. Would these be classed as illegal downloads through virgins eyes or would these be okay. Iam with aol at the moment and would never consider virgin now. gaazzaa
Technically, yes, these CAN be classified as "illegal" downloads but very, very rarely are. You'd have to be running a zillion torrents or w/e (or run a site) to even be noticed...
The deal they're talking about above, btw, regards music downloads. While any laws that came from it would likely apply to ANY piracy, currently it's not written law.
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9. April 2008 @ 17:43 |
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and who will police the BPI and the record companies? after all they have been stealing off the British public for years. during this entire saga not one of the greedy basturds in the industry has even considered dropping the prices down to a reasonable level. they cant have their obsurd profit margins decrease now can they.
as a student my flat was broken into, and i had over 500 CD'S stolen. being a skint student, i obviously did not have house insurance. who replaces those albums? near £5000 worth of CD's. i have replaced all those albums via p2p and make no apology for it. the industry would tell me that it was tough sh1t i had my entire music collection stolen witout insurance, well i think that downloading replacements via p2p is their tough sh1t.
i see that the carphone warehouse are not going to implement these ludicrous 3 strikes and your out internet policing. other companies will have to do likewise or they will not be able to compete, ergo it wont work IMO.
Again, how about selling music at realistic prices? prices that everyone can afford!
nah! didn't think you would!
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nobrainer
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13. April 2008 @ 15:16 |
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and it gets even more interesting:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a9...neutrality.html
Originally posted by link:
Virgin Media CEO Neil Berkett has attacked the principle of net neutrality, whereby internet service providers do not interfere with or degrade the speed at which content is delivered from websites to consumers, branding it as "b****cks".
Berkett's cable operator ranks as the second largest internet service provider in the UK with approximately 3.6m customers.
In an interview with the Royal Television Society's Television magazine, Berkett said that "this net neutrality thing is a load of b****cks", and revealed that Virgin is already in talks with unnamed content providers about paying to have their content delivered faster than others.
Feeding into the debate between internet service providers and the BBC over iPlayer, Berkett even warned that public service broadcasters who choose not to pay for faster access to Virgin's subscriber base would end up in "bus lanes", effectively having their content delivered to consumers at a lower speed.
Thus far, Ofcom has made little comment on the network neutrality debate. In 2007, long before the current iPlayer discussions, the then Ofcom policy chief Douglas Scott indicated that the regulator planned a "hands off" approach to the issue. Scott has since departed the regulator for Channel 4.
if you are in the uk and with virgin as an isp now is the time to request your mac code!
a great video highlighting why net neutrality is essential for our culture and why corporations should not dictate to us what we can see and do with Sir Tim Berners-Lee, inventor of the world wide web. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP_3WnJ42kw
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Zigmaster
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17. April 2008 @ 16:27 |
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Originally posted by dabs40:
it's a dangerous game for both sides...
the hardest it's going to be for them to lose you as a customer( or should i say your money...). we're talking around £ 70-80 / month. now you multiply this by a couple of thouthands,and we start talking big loss of money
Exactly right my friend, it amazes me when I see the Virgin adverts for 4 for £40, I pay nothing less than £80 to £90 per month, so if they lose that sort of volume of paying customers, they wont survive long.. Also as mentioned, personally I think whatever good ideas Virgin had / have are not going according to plan, the service is terrible as compared to when TELEWEST ran the show, slow broadband speeds, and the TV film channels freeze for half a second here and there, not much but annoying when trying to get into a film...
I say stuff them.. Keep doing what we do until,. as they put it send you a warning letter first anyway, so if get one of them stop, if not, don't..
Ziggy
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nobrainer
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18. April 2008 @ 09:18 |
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Cory Doctorow, writer, co-editor of Boing Boing, columnist for the UK paper "The Guardian", and tech geek has publicly slammed Virgin for their anti-consumer move to filter the web in their destruction of, freedom of speech.
http://www.boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html
Originally posted by cory above link:
As a Virgin customer, I'm not paying to see those services that bribe Virgin to reach me, I'm paying to reach the entire web, whichever bits I think are useful, as quickly as Virgin can deliver them.
Theoretically, I'm locked into a Virgin plan for another six months, but as far as I'm concerned, they've just announced that they're violating the agreement by announcing that the services I can reach will be systematically slowed down unless they pay Virgin extra. That means that we're now null and void. I'll be calling to cancel today.
Who's with me?
I will join cory in his boycott of everything "virgin" until the censorship in the UK has ceased, and in the name of "free speech" would advise you all to get your mac code, lose the mobile ect, until the corporations stop filtering what we can and can't do.
if you are with "virgin" on LLU a great alternative is http://www.bethere.co.uk/ no, filtering, with a fair use of 500gig+ per month(uploads not counted) with speeds upto 24meg.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 18. April 2008 @ 09:34
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westbrom
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16. June 2008 @ 15:55 |
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ive had a letter and are now paying £25 for 1 meg at certain times of the day due to downloading.. (what i have supposed to have done )but get told to gett 5 meg im supposed to get i can get back but buy a £35 20 meg.. so its not about bandwith its about them making more money
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16. June 2008 @ 17:52 |
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they need to focus on speeds to plans have 100-300LPS plans around 10-20$
add after 5-15GB your speed is halved in the 20-40$
range more speed higher caps.
at 50$+ it should be a premium and you are not caped at 70+ you get 3MBPS or higher speeds, there needs to be some balance and I think this is the best way to do it but if they continue on metered rates and secretive caps government is goign to come in to regulate and we don;t need that...
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