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Quality loss problems with dvd shrink.
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Forbidden
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13. January 2004 @ 10:04 |
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cobruh2k:
I think you misunderstood my post.
I was talking about DVD Shrink being able to select the main movie.
You are right that Xpress automatically backups the main movie or if you select "whole disc" (not sure if thats the exact title) it will backup the entire disc including the menu and special features.
You dont have the option in Xpress though to pick and choose what parts you want like the full version does.
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ddlooping
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13. January 2004 @ 15:41 |
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Hi all. :)
I've lost interest in DVDXCopy a while ago, when DVDShrink v2.3 came out to be precise.
(after I finished redesigning http://backuplist.dvdxcopy.com/ )
I don't mean to say 321 softwares are bad, just that DVD Shrink does exactly what I need and with great results.
As some of you might know, DVD Shrink development has unfortunately been stopped, and the latest release v3.1.x will only go through the bug-squashing process and making of help files and translations.
I'd like to list some of DVD Shrink features, hoping one of you might list DVDXCopy ones, just to make a quick comparison:
- Built-in decryption with options to remove Macrovision, RCE, layer-break, PUO ("Prohibited User Operations": what stops you from skiping FBI warning, change audio and/or subtitles on the fly,...).
- Full-Disk: this mode enables you to backup the whole disc.
You can select any or all of the audio/subpictures streams.
You can manually apply different levels of compression to each title (Menus, Movie, Extras,..), including "No Compression" or "Still Pictures", or let DVD Shrink make some or all of the adjustments automatically.
- Re-author (no menus): this mode enables you to make "movie-only" backups or compilations from one or more DVDs ("movie + extras", "movie + movie", etc etc).
The "Start/End" feature enables you to crop titles (removing of end-credits for example) or even to use multiple levels of compression for the same title (applying "Still Pictures" to end-credits, apply less or no compression to a demanding scene, etc etc).
It also enable you to split a DVD to one or more discs, albeit while losing menus.
- Video preview including a full-screen mode.
- Audio preview.
- Burning if Nero is installed (using Nero SDK in the background).
- "Deep Analysis", to increase quality for backups requiring a fairly high level of compression.
- Custom target size.
- "Low Priority" mode, to facilitate heavy multi-tasking while analysing/processing with DVD Shrink.
- Automatic preselection of audio and/or subpicture streams.
- User selectable toolbar (5 available so far, but more will be available from DVDShrink.info).
- User selectable "Backup complete" sound.
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RWG
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13. January 2004 @ 16:47 |
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When I used DVD Express trial version, I don't recall having an option to select just the movie. I recorded a movie from a disc that had well over 7 gigs and the program automatically copied just the main movie. Is there an option to select just parts of the disc?
It's available only in the Platinum release of X Copy and Xpress.
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13. January 2004 @ 18:59 |
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Well I might as well jump in. Shrink is a very good program. Been playing around a bit with ver. 3.1.2 and I like it, pretty much a one stop solution now. The way it automatically burns with Nero (if you have it installed) is a nice touch and eliminates a lot of user error/confusion. But if you are willing to spend $40 InstantCopy 8 (with DVD Decrypter) is the way to go. On a major shrink the video quality is the best of all the above mentioned programs. It may be slow, but the end result is worth it.
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ddlooping
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13. January 2004 @ 19:12 |
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MysticE, after having read how good IC7 was (it was a few months ago), I decided to download and register it.
I think it was $69 as I was not untitled to the then available rebate.
My first trial with the unpatch version yelded an oversize backup.
That wasn't great considering I had to wait more than 2 1/2 hours for it to be done.
My second trial was with the patched version.
After 2 1/2 more hours, the backup size ended up being a ridiculous 2.5GB.
In both cases I used the "IC7 registry tweaking" program.
I then decided it wasn't worth the agravation considering my DVD Shrink backups looked fine on my EIZO 17" LCD at 1280x1024 (better resolution than most high-end plasma screens), my 32" widescreen tv, and a few other TVs and plasma screens from local shops. ;)
Since then, Deep Analysis has been added to DVD Shrink, resulting in even better quality.
So much so that some Instant Copy users have decided to switch to it (I'm not making this up). :)
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14. January 2004 @ 03:42 |
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Well I was was talking about InstantCopy 8, which is available as a $39 download from Pinnacle's site. Many things have changed/improved since ver 7 (speed being one). Forget about the tweaking program (IC Hidden Settings) it should not be used and it's attempt to hit the target disc size of 4.36G just causes problems. IC 8's Movie Only mode is quick to start and needs no intervening steps to get to the finished disc like Shrink does (although Shrink 3.1.2 has narrowed that gap if you have Nero installed, but you still have to play around in re-author mode a bit).
Although not perfect (what program is?) it is the only program that can drop below 60% and still have decent video quality on a 32 in. set. In full disc mode it is very easy to drop trailers, logos etc, seamlessly. It does sometimes still undershoot the disc size but they are addressing this. We'll see where Mr. Shrink takes Nero Recode 2 (he certainly has made many improvements over the original) but for now I still prefer IC 8's resultant video quality.
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ddlooping
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14. January 2004 @ 04:15 |
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Ok, thanks for the info. ;)
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pbailey
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14. January 2004 @ 10:52 |
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Haven't posted for a while, but just wanted to throw my hat into the ring...
I've used dvd x copy express and gold, DVD2One, dvdshrink and dvd decryptor, and for me hands down the only one i'd spend any money on what soever is the free dvdshrink, i love this program, it's fast, the quality from the tests i've done are better than the others, not always a great deal or at all, and it only take at most 15 minutes to rip an uncompressed movie of 4.4gb, and 15 minutes to burn using record now dx. Half an hour i think is brilliant.
Different strokes for different folks tho, have been having a look at tmpenc, and don't know if the time it takes is worth it over dvdshrink, tho i haven't backed anything up that would really benefit from it.
Bailey
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14. January 2004 @ 15:59 |
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From a real test at CD Freaks:
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The images that were produced in the complete DVD tests, were clearly less detailed than we saw in the movie only tests. The InstantCopy software, overall, produced the best results. CloneDVD came in second, closely followed by DVD2One. The DVD Shrink software was not far behind but did produced the lowest quality. The DVDXCopy XPRESS didn't compete in the complete DVD tests as it can only copy the main movie from a DVD.
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ddlooping
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14. January 2004 @ 16:24 |
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fritz12
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14. January 2004 @ 17:54 |
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Why do some of you say that you use DVD Decryter and then DVD Shrink? What does Decryter do that Shrink doesn't do? I have the latest Shrink and when I Re-Author, I don't recall seeing the deep analysis thing. Is it automatically done? Oh, and one last thing, when I copied "Saving Private Ryan" I got the subtitles even though I Re-Autored just the movie, any thoughts? Thanks in advance.
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wavshrdr
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15. January 2004 @ 04:19 |
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How are you guys getting shrink to rip so fast? I have a Sony DRU510a with the Sony speed up program and it still takes me about 30 minutes to just rip a DVD. I have a 1.8ghz P4 and a 7200RPM HD and 512MB RAM.
What am I doing wrong? Any help is appreciated.
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15. January 2004 @ 04:54 |
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Why do some of you say that you use DVD Decryter and then DVD Shrink?
Because sometimes Shrink will have problems on a particular DVD (no software is perfect). Mr Shrink himself then recommends the use of Decrypter. Decrypter is also useful for a quick look at the various file sizes of a DVD.
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How are you guys getting shrink to rip so fast? I have a Sony DRU510a with the Sony speed up program and it still takes me about 30 minutes to just rip a DVD
How can you tell how long the ripping takes? Unless I'm missing something there is no actual ripping phase. The initial analysis takes about 3 minutes and the encoding might take about 50 minutes.
You could try DVD Decrypter to see how long an actual rip takes. With my burner a full 8G DVD takes around 16 minutes.
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wavshrdr
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15. January 2004 @ 05:13 |
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To tell how long it takes to rip, all I do is look at the temp directory where I told it to store the files. My last burn just completed minutes ago took 64 minutes start(copy of DVD) to finish (burned and finalized). The actual rip of the DVD took exactly 41 minutes and the burn 23.
Anyone know if shrink supports disk to disk reatime on the fly copy and compression? I have both a DVD burner and DVD reader in my PC.
Thanks again!
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ddlooping
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15. January 2004 @ 05:39 |
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I don't recall seeing the deep analysis thing. Is it automatically done?
It isn't. You either have to click on the "Analysis" button, or check the "Perform Deep Analysis..." on the backup window. ;)
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...it still takes me about 30 minutes to just rip a DVD.
This sounds about right for a DVD that requires a fair amout of compression, especially when ripping/processing with a DVD writer.
The less compression a DVD requires, the faster the whole process should be.
If you had a DVD-ROM it should in theory be faster too.
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Anyone know if shrink supports disk to disk reatime on the fly copy and compression?
I'm affraid it doesn't.
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parsons73
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15. January 2004 @ 06:10 |
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I'll toss in my experience with DVDXcopy vs DVDShrink. I ran a test backing up The Itlalian Job (new version) on a cheap Khypermedia DVD-R with both programs. The first one was done with DVDXcopy and although pretty quick (approx 30 min), the movie was pixelated and hung up in the middle. This is obviously with only the feature movie burned since Xcopy Express doesn't allow anything more. Then I burned a copy of the same movie using DVDShrink, removed languages other than English and kept trailers, menus, extra scenes and all of the extra features. The burn took longer (approx 50 minutes total), but the quality was perfect, it burned to one DVD-R disc and I'm able to use all menus and extra features on the disc. There wasn't a single incident of pixelation or hang-ups.
I think you simply need to try them all and decide which one works best on your machine, fits your personal criteria and/or wallet. My 2 cents.
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15. January 2004 @ 07:56 |
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To tell how long it takes to rip, all I do is look at the temp directory where I told it to store the files
Hmmm... using 3.1.2 can't find where the temp files are and I don't see the location listed in Preferences. (?????)
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ddlooping
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15. January 2004 @ 08:01 |
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They've been moved to:
"C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\DVD Shrink"
Also, v3.0b5 and v3.1.2 files are compatible, so you can copy the content of the v3.0b5 analysis folder to the v3.1.x one. ;)
P.S: apparently this compatibility feature introduced in v3.1.2 does not seem to be working. :(
http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=139459#post139459
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ddlooping
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15. January 2004 @ 08:12 |
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yuedana
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15. January 2004 @ 08:57 |
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15. January 2004 @ 12:40 |
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However, it was made in July 2003 with DVD Shrink v2.3. ;)
They are also using the older InstantCopy 7.
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ddlooping
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15. January 2004 @ 13:04 |
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Has there been a noticeable quality increase between backups made with IC8 and those made with IC7?
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pbailey
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15. January 2004 @ 13:58 |
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I don't know what the hell is going on here, but how are you guys getting 50-60 minutes just in the DVD Shrink phase? Are you compressing the whole disk by 50% and then deep analyzing? When DVD Shrink is finished it tells you how long it took, and with an uncompressed image of 4.4 gb it will do it as fast as your drive will allow data transfer...
Why you'd compress the whole disk using any of these programs is beyond me anyway, thus making that test you're talking about Mystice an invalid point for me, compression of anythting equals deteriation in quality, i don't care how good the compression technique is, you want good quality don't compress it or go with TMPGEnc.
15 minutes at the most in DVD Shrink uncompressed with my lg dvd reader, and it takes less than 15 minutes to burn to a disk using record now dx and my pioneer 106.
As I have mentioned before, i only want the movie in my backups, and get rid of all superfluous audio and video streams, even the credits if i have to compress it at all.
Bailey
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pbailey
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15. January 2004 @ 14:04 |
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DDlooping considering how much dvd shrink's compression quality changed during 2.3 and 3.0 beta 5 it wouldn't surprise me if ic7 is a lot inferior to ic8, but a more recent test would be greatly appreciated anyone??
Bailey
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wavshrdr
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15. January 2004 @ 15:34 |
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My last shrink copy took 104 minutes with almost no compression. That was all inclusive with burn. It was just about 4.3 gigs on the disk. That included time to copy from the original to the HD and then burn on a 2.4x RW disk. If it would support DVD to DVD on the fly burning it would be really sweet!
Great product! I feel bad that it is free. Any place I can donate money via PayPal?
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