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Indonesia wants YouTube ban for Koran video
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 3 April, 2008
Indonesia is requesting that Internet Service Providers (ISP) block access to YouTube in response to a video posted by a Dutch lawmaker. The video in question accuses the Koran of inciting violence. Geert Wilders, leader of the Dutch "Freedom Party", made the film which sparked radical Muslims to call for his death during protests outside the Dutch embassy in Jakarta.
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cousinkix
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3. April 2008 @ 01:38 |
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Here we go again, ALLAH's fascists demanding more censorship. This is typical of intolerant relious fanatics who worship the AK-47 and pretend that committing terrorist acts is their ticket to Heaven.
Go ahead and ban YouTube. Then wake up an realize that some people will get there using international proxy servers in foreign countries. Such futility reminds me of those recent failed attempts to block use of torrent sites in certain countries!
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windsong
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3. April 2008 @ 02:33 |
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But..but..Islam means "Peace"!
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3. April 2008 @ 02:43 |
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Originally posted by windsong:
But..but..Islam means "Peace"!
No,No,No, a thousand times No.
Islam means SUBMISSION
"The flimsier the product,the higher the price"
Ferengi 82nd rule of aqusition
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3. April 2008 @ 03:37 |
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just shows which countries are still living in the stoneage. If you can´t openly discuss and show videos then you should think there is something wrong with your country. Forsomereason those "ALLAh´s fascists" as cousinkix called them dont realise that everything written on internet is not true. IF your religion is so weak that you have to defend it from every video or picture,etc i would start to think is it really worth of defending.
If someone made fun on what i believe i would´t care.. thats their opinion. That still does´t mean it is so.
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wasprider
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3. April 2008 @ 07:47 |
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That's it. I am going to the store to buy a Koran. Then I will set it on the cabinet next to the toilet. Then I am going to get my video recorder out. I will take a crap and wipe with a page from the Koran. Then I will post it on youtube. Stay tuned.
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SDF_GR
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3. April 2008 @ 07:49 |
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Unfortunately fascism has many faces from west to east.
As long people dont do anything about it this things will be more often. They accept it cause there religion, and in some other country's cause their stupidity or cause they like to live in a lie.
Democracy is dying day by day.
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wasprider
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3. April 2008 @ 07:57 |
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Democracy is dying day by day.
GOOD!!!!
Democracy is a stupid idea. It is two lions and a sheep voting on what is for dinner.
The United States is supposed to be a REBUBLIC. Not a stupid democracy. The founders HATED democracies.
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tefarko
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3. April 2008 @ 12:50 |
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Quote:
Jewish group seeks to purge YouTube of anti-Semitic videos
By DPA
Tags: Germany, anti-Semitism
Hamburg - Germany's national Jewish body said Thursday it has filed suit against YouTube and its parent company Google, demanding a court order for the site to be permanently purged of anti-Semitic videos.
Stephan Kramer, secretary general of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, said in Hamburg, "we charge Google with aiding and abetting racial hatred and discrimination on its YouTube video- platform subsidiary.
"We applied this week for an injunction from a court in Hamburg."
He said one example was a video clip that showed a late president of the Central Council, Paul Spiegel, being burned alive [in effigy]. He charged that it had been available for download for months on end.
YouTube allows users to flag videos as inappropriate, leading to a review by YouTube editors who can delete videos that breach the platform's terms of use.
two sides of the same coin...
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SDF_GR
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3. April 2008 @ 18:11 |
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Originally posted by wasprider:
Democracy is dying day by day.
GOOD!!!!
Democracy is a stupid idea. It is two lions and a sheep voting on what is for dinner.
Stupid is your example, you don't even know what democracy is.
I am sure that you don't even know where Democracy borned in first place.
Originally posted by wasprider:
The United States is supposed to be a REBUBLIC. Not a stupid democracy. The founders HATED democracies.
...the founders hated democracies...and that made the US the perfect country that it is today...
They bombing the planet, they kill innocent people, US is No1 country at environment pollution.
Yeap you are right they hated democracy, and for sure they still do.
But as you said "democracy is stupid" and thank luck that US knows that, and people all around the glob (see Serbia,Iraq,Cuba) can enjoy the good actions that USA offers them.
Now i advise you to Go stick your head in to a book and read, read a lot! You need it.
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wasprider
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3. April 2008 @ 20:15 |
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You say I don't know what a democracy is. You are the ignorant one. A democracy could vote slavery into law. A democracy can vote to attack and kill other countries.
A republic with democratically elected representatives on the other hand is good. You see a Republic has principles that can't be violated to protect the rights of people. For example free speech. You can't violate that even with a vote.
So if you favor democracy than you favor restrictions of free speech if that is what is voted for.
There are lots of other examples. It is you that needs to get your head out of the dark hole and do some reading.
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3. April 2008 @ 20:26 |
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It is neither a democracy or a republic that matters, but the will of good men and women.
PRC the Peoples Republic of China is a good counter example of a poor republic.
Good people do what is right and just. Bad, greedy and selfish people do not do what is right and just. Never have and never will.
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3. April 2008 @ 21:08 |
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Democracy is a wonderful thing. The US was founded on a democracy, and because of the growth of population within the colonies became a republic that which it is today. Don't condemn a type of government because of shitty foreign polices. We elect our leaders to carry out what we believe is right, but sometimes our leaders fuck up hard core. The power of a republic lyes with the people to vote leaders out of office, and elect new leaders to change what was fucked up. The problem is education!!! If the US was not a republic things would never change, but we are so things can change. Its just harder to vote someone out of office then to elect a new official...I know. Study up guys the US has a great government. As for the actual topic discussed...wheels off. People really need to grow up and take a little criticism and shrug it off. If need be debate it, but don't destroy freedom!!!
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4. April 2008 @ 04:02 |
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Islam is Peace.
none of its teachings tell to do bad things.
the problematic video here is take the meaning of Islam in partly, incomplete. The words must be understand as one, NOT partially like the video showed.
this just like when someone say a long explanation, and you only quote it partially, IT WILL create miss understanding.
you should try reading Qur'an / Koran
its telling peace, telling us to live in harmony.
no matter what is your religt, or you an atheist,
just try read Koran / Qur'an.
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btw about the youtube banning,
its efective if the government really do it.
because many Indonesian are an noob in PC and internet.
PC and Internet is still an Expensive thing in Indonesia.
but, the problem is, the government ands ISP, NOT block youtube,
the govgernment is telling the ISP to block youtube, but none doing it
LOL
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4. April 2008 @ 05:59 |
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Originally posted by wasprider:
You say I don't know what a democracy is. You are the ignorant one. A democracy could vote slavery into law. A democracy can vote to attack and kill other countries.
A republic with democratically elected representatives on the other hand is good. You see a Republic has principles that can't be violated to protect the rights of people. For example free speech. You can't violate that even with a vote.
So if you favor democracy than you favor restrictions of free speech if that is what is voted for.
There are lots of other examples. It is you that needs to get your head out of the dark hole and do some reading.
Democracy has Speech restrictions??hahahah you are a joke.
You dont know what you are talking about hahaha.
You are posting to a forum and you dont even know the roots of the word "Forum".
plus i didnt just say that you dont know what democracy is, you proved that you dont know what democracy stands for.
Originally posted by jutsu:
Islam is Peace.none of its teachings tell to do bad things.
I have reed the Koran (long time ago tho) and i agree with you, their religion/Koran doesn't say anything like "beat your woman to death"
But as in every thing/idea/religions if you become fanatic you get that things.
...and all comes down to what _Icarus_ well said , lack of Education.
I don't meen only the people from Muslim country's.
e.x. Most people think that Koran say's Kill-kill-kill.Thats wrong.
example 2 People like wasprider thinks that democracy = Fasicm(lack of education) and they post thinks like this
Originally posted by wasprider:
That's it. I am going to the store to buy a Koran. Then I will set it on the cabinet next to the toilet. Then I am going to get my video recorder out. I will take a crap and wipe with a page from the Koran. Then I will post it on youtube. Stay tuned.
and he thinks that he will become a hero.
That is what lack of education do.
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4. April 2008 @ 15:04 |
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"Democracy is a wonderful thing. The US was founded on a democracy.."
Yeah. I just remember, that the holy US congress, who are the champion of Democracy and Free World, voted to go to war because of Iraq has a weapon of mass destruction.. So what is good of free speech when they can control the policy regardless of what people said.
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4. April 2008 @ 15:15 |
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Here we go again, ALLAH's fascists demanding more censorship. This is typical of intolerant relious fanatics who worship the AK-47 and pretend that committing terrorist acts is their ticket to Heaven.
LMAO...
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dufas
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5. April 2008 @ 16:30 |
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Help me understand this.....
The Koran and Islam is for peace yet when something happens that is against the Koran or Islam, the peaceful Islamists put out a death contract on the offender???? Then came an announcement that everyone shall become Muslim or face the threat of death. While it is said that it is only the radicals that are making these threats and/or carrying them out, the majority of the Islamic population is is very silent in condemning such things. In fact, when one of our local Islamic leaders was interviewed about this very subject, he stated that the very act of asking such a question was, in itself, an act of bigotry and a reason for Muslims to be against America......
I am having difficulty in understanding this type of peace.
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6. April 2008 @ 21:07 |
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Originally posted by koifuku:
"Democracy is a wonderful thing. The US was founded on a democracy.."
Yeah. I just remember, that the holy US congress, who are the champion of Democracy and Free World, voted to go to war because of Iraq has a weapon of mass destruction.. So what is good of free speech when they can control the policy regardless of what people said.
Like I said the issue is lack of education as with most people. A good example is your comment because that demonstrates that you are not familiar with the politics of democracy. In a democracy people have the power, and they have the power to control the representatives who make and uphold policy. The problem is that there are so many people that have no clue how to go about exercising this power. Everyone should study and be active in their countries government, but it just does not happen as much as one would expect.
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FreqNasty
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8. April 2008 @ 02:20 |
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Islam is a pungent stench on Western society. All Muslims stay in your own lands where you can have your Islam rules and beliefs until the day you die!
We all wonder why Muslims flock to Western countries when they supposedly love Islam so much?
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Wolf873
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Originally posted by FreqNasty:
Islam is a pungent stench on Western society. All Muslims stay in your own lands where you can have your Islam rules and beliefs until the day you die!
We all wonder why Muslims flock to Western countries when they supposedly love Islam so much?
Well I can say the same about keeping those sorry excuse for soldiers that is U.S. army to your own land. After seeing the unreleased photos from Iraq how U.S. army treated every man and child of that country, it is simply the most barbaric of the so called "Civilized Society". Praise your country all you want, it is nothing but a big bully with power, that pleases its own citizens and spills the blood of others. Just for the record, I accuse its politicians and not the people because I have seen some good people in that country who are much more open minded than people I have met here.
I ask the mods to take care of this before its turns into a flame war.
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dewolf
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9. April 2008 @ 11:46 |
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Although the video might have been offensive to muslims, its not like its the only one! i mean seriously! there have ben many cases where videos offend a group of people or race, and them getting angry at it, but banning the WHOLE site is freaking ridiculous. I am a muslim too, and although im offended by the video, its not like i care because its just one stinking video out of thousands of more. I dont know what the hell the authorities of indonesia's problem is. This is really stupid. Just cos some RANDOM dutch dude comments about his own opinion (his OWN RITE of speech) it doesnt mean tht the rest of the cople hundred million people in indonesia be included in it and also receive the sacrifice of banning the site from the country. I, personally think tht the government is just looking for trouble to make stupid excuses and make themselves look like they know everything and all. If i were them, id jsut ignore it because i kno tht its just 1 freaking video tht wont afect the world unless they bother, and plus its his own rite to talk about his own crappy opinions.
This country is NOT religiously run. Its a country of logic and politics, and not of religion. It is sooo stupid for the governent to have included religion into politics! It is wrong because it unblances the whole social envrionment and rite movements. Religion should never be into politics and the ATHAURITIES OF INDONESIA has said so themselves that there will be no personal cases concerning religion with the way how we live in this country! I am furious about the whole banning thing and if i had the chance to, i would get replace the goverment with foreign politicians whom are more open minded and not concentrated to put their RELIGION as their own personal, polotical affairs.
And i have every rite to say this and plus i am not saying bullcrap that is wrong. Facts are permitted.
I hope that Indonesia will soon realize how stupid they are for banning Youtubea and all the rest of the networks.
Who cares if a dutch talks bull about a religion!! its his own problem and if people cant just ignore him and not make such a big deal about it, then they are the people that screw this world wth trouble and hatred. All we have to do is ignore! its simple!!
Its not COOL and RESPONSIBLE LOOKING when a muslim person says,"hey!! that guy is wrong! and im gonna do somthing about it because islam is my religion and he offended it!!"
it doesnt make anyone feel impressed by his actions, because they know that sooner or later, that person is gonna end up in trouble and will realize that it was all jsut a waist of time.
If people are smart, then they would jsut ignore this random video and continue on with their lives, and not waist their time trying to do somthing about it, especially such as banning a website from the WHOLE COUNTRY!!
Its just dum!
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dewolf
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9. April 2008 @ 12:05 |
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and btw for al the rest of u guys whos arguing bout the muslim religion and tht american has "cleanest environment", just te remind u tht the religion itself has got nothing te do with the killing of this world. Its all people. the religion is just an excuse. So dont just start blabbering off saying tht "muslim kills" and everything cos its not tru. Its all people. Do not add religion into all this. Its the people's own minds; religion is merely an excuse. and btw the U.S is known to be one of the most POLLUTED places in the world and its not perfect. i can give u examples of many things goin on there such as the businesses of extreme, hardcore drugs, and gangs and mobs shooting each other.
and plus Indonesia has many people who are nerds. we arent noobs=p we know alot about computers and internet and compters are freaking cheap here man!! although im dutch and only live in Indonesia, i ca see that there is alot of sense going on here.
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Wolf873
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10. April 2008 @ 09:52 |
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While I agree with some of what you have mentioned up there dewolf, I, however, have to say that Muslims have the right to defend their religion. It is not about making yourself look stupid or asking for trouble, but how much are you willing to defend your religion in more peaceful manner. If some Dutch guy decides to voice his opinion on a religion worldwide and that guy is influential and able to affect the image of someone, or religion in this case, people have the right to respond so as to not to make their religion look like the source of all troubles.It is hard to explain, but this is delicate world we live in, people question things and Islam requires high degree of faith, so if people start asking too many questions and too much of proof then what's the point in believing? I'm not saying Islam forbids questioning, but you have to be careful of what you're actually questioning because that shows your faith towards your beliefs.
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dufas
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10. April 2008 @ 13:07 |
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Wolf873......
The problem is that many Muslims do not approach the defense of their religion peacefully. They will call for the death of the offender and the majority of the other Muslims will stand silent as they continue to condone this type of practice. The same silence that is displayed when a bomb is strapped to a child and he/she is sent into a crowd to commit suicide... Or killing a daughter when she wants to marry someone that her father didn't pick out for her.
I guess one has to keep the faith....
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dufas
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10. April 2008 @ 13:11 |
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edited because of double posting..............
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