|
|
|
Indonesia wants YouTube ban for Koran video
|
|
The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 3 April, 2008
Indonesia is requesting that Internet Service Providers (ISP) block access to YouTube in response to a video posted by a Dutch lawmaker. The video in question accuses the Koran of inciting violence. Geert Wilders, leader of the Dutch "Freedom Party", made the film which sparked radical Muslims to call for his death during protests outside the Dutch embassy in Jakarta.
Indonesia's information ... [ read the full article ]
Please read the original article before posting your comments.
|
|
Wolf873
Junior Member
|
10. April 2008 @ 14:31 |
Link to this message
|
|
I can understand what you mean. But you have to take other factors into account don't you. Since Sept-11, Muslims have been widely popular for terrorist acts, there are some who would really love to believe all this is Islam's fault and there are some who would like to find out the truth, but who wants to listen to the truth when it's just easy to point fingers at some famous terrorist figure, a figure created by U.S. government itself: but who wants to listen to that? No one likes to take responsibility anymore, just point fingers and be off the hook. Now you tell me, people who have been condenmed as terrorists, their countries blamed for mass producing weapons of destruction to be used "supposedly" against the West and their lives turned to hell, how would they react? Enraged, don't you think. How much one can tolerate? Being peaceful does not mean for ever tolerant of these insane acts. I mean first it was Iraq, ok Saddam was ruthless and got what he deserved, but now onto Iran? When is it going to stop, when U.S. has taken complete control of the world (it has already left Afghanistan in ruins), now isn't that an act of totalitarianism government? If Iran is indeed creating Nukes for its own safety, shouldn't it have a right to do so? Or U.S. is so dellusional that it thinks every other country is its enemy?
Now about suicide bombing kids, you tell me exactly how do they control that when the country's own political situation is flipped over? In hour of hopelessness, don't you think people will turn to whatever that gives them hope? They will right. There are people of every race and religion that would like to take advantage of this situation to start their own war against who they deem their enemy. Fathers who kill their daughters if they go against their will, are simply insane. They believe they are protecting their honor by doing so, following their "tradition": not religion keep in mind, but that's just folly. Read the Quran (not Koran), and it will tell you what you want to know. Quran is not a simple book that you read like a bedtime story or anything, there's more meaning to it between the lines, there are institutes that deal strictly with understanding its meaning so that should alone tell you how complicated Quran is.
When it comes to staying silent or speaking out, there are those who voice their opinions peacefully and demonstrate in peacefully manner. How much more people can do, really? They can only go as far as protesting and voicing their opinions and anything beyond that is considered "terrorism". Even voting can be alterted in favor of parties that want to win, so there is really no democracy in these ruined countries.
I can't go on forever, I simply want everyone here to know you can't just point fingers and look at the books cover, take some time and do extensive research, if you don't have time to do that don't blame others without finding out certain facts. You should know by now that this world is not so easy to understand, so it is in our best interest to always keep an open mind to avoid conflicts.
|
|
Advertisement
|
|
|
|
|
dufas
Member
|
10. April 2008 @ 15:09 |
Link to this message
|
|
Message deleted by author
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 10. April 2008 @ 15:14
|
|
dewolf
Newbie
|
11. April 2008 @ 07:05 |
Link to this message
|
|
Wolf 873 you are correct. Dont judge a book by its cover.
but u kno there are lmits on what to do on what. Although religion should have its freedom to defend themselves, there i also the freedom of speech where people can talk shit about anything and not get tried. Its not worth killing someone because sounds of opinion came out of a man's mouth.
And the video is all fact; there are no false asumptstion concluded in it. If the dutch politician is able to compare terrorizm with the Quran, then it means that there are some problems with the book. Not that im against it or anything; i respect the Quran and yes i know that it was written centuries ago where day to day lives were different than now. but the thing is that some authorities take the book so seriously, that they want religion to be the law. ITs isnane. This is where the actions of extremness takes place; because of wrong conclusions from the Quran.
what im trying to say here, is tht the whole of the Quran shouldnt be taken seriously because it is an age where daily life a couple centuries back were different. You have to think for yourself and decide what is right and wrong. And for you people who think tht the Quran is bullshit and all just cos there like only 2 or 3 senteces talking about killing, you have to realize that the book is all one and you cant just pick little pieces of it to make it look negative. THAT is BULLSHIT.
this video was a waist of time and yes it is offensive, but so are a couple 1000 others. Its just crap coming out of someones head. so is it worth killing this man and banning youtube from a couple 100 million people just cos he told his opinion??
i hope tht ud surely say no...
|
|
varnull
Suspended permanently
|
11. April 2008 @ 07:28 |
Link to this message
|
The problem with religion.. across the board is the motives behind it in the first place.
It is a method of control, and a method of enforcing submission to a set of rules that may or may not be right.
It is good to hear the voice of an intelligent and educated muslim for once. dewolf I congratulate you for having the guts to speak your mind. It is refreshing to hear a sensible and educated opinion rather than the rabid screaming we all too often hear in the West.
The big problem is when religion becomes a function of state. Now that other bunch.. you know the ol' stars and stripes brigade keep going on about democracy and freedom.. BS.. in 2000 they didn't even get to elect their president. They are supporting the fascist christian right (exactly the same bunch that did so much harm from 1932-45) but they are brainwashed and blinded to what crimes their country is doing to others on a global scale.
In the west we like to think we are free, but actually we are oppressed just as much as in most islamic states, and in some cases.. because it is covert and hidden beneath layers of lies and secrecy it is actually worse than an open declaration of non-free status.
The USA currently is a republic run by a megalomaniac madman. His puppeteers want a global USA where the fat cats get richer and nobody can stand up and be anything but subservient to the gods of consumerism and profit for the few. Freedom.. pull the other one. It's been seen through by those of us that the USA and Britain now seek to silence by spying on all our communications. I KNOW they will come for me one day soon because of what I write online. They don't like the truth.
Quote:
PRC the Peoples Republic of China is a good counter example of a poor republic.
A better example would be North Korea closely followed by the USA.
Good examples are Italy and Greece, who actually care about their citizens rather than seeing them as subjects.
|
|
dewolf
Newbie
|
12. April 2008 @ 02:33 |
Link to this message
|
|
vurnull i couldnt hve said it better!=) u r absolutly correct. The faith of ones belief can always lead to unimaginary devastation.
|
|
Advertisement
|
|
|
|
Wolf873
Junior Member
|
12. April 2008 @ 20:16 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by dewolf:
vurnull i couldnt hve said it better!=) u r absolutly correct. The faith of ones belief can always lead to unimaginary devastation.
Yes, I find that correct to some degree, but I know people who are hardcore religious and it doesn't drives them to bombing up the neighborhood. Faith in ones beliefs alone doesn't justifies ones actions, rather what that person desires or wants to achieve in respect to his/her beliefs and how is he/she willing to achieve it.
I respect your opinion, but I have to contradict you about what you said about Quran. The Dutch man is no position to relate anything with Quran since, as I said before, it is much too complex for any mere person to study. I wish I could explain more about this but I am not educated in deciphering meaning of Quran but I have heard those who are and believe me, it is harder to understand. I know times have changed and Quran was written centuries ago, but it's guidelines are ageless. Everything that is written in Quran is written while taking everything thing into perspective, even modern times.
The only people who I have heard complaining are those who want to have it their way, including myself. Sometimes even I see things mentioned in Quran as harsh but when I take other things into perspective, they seem sensible. You can't just look at the negatives, observe the positives. There's nothing wrong in implementing "selected" laws from religion because that's what characterizes a state as a Islamic State, right? Governments don't utilize those Islamic laws very well into the system and that's what makes it troublesome. Some only use it as a cover.
The main problem comes down to money, there's nothing much more desirable than money these days, and those big guys would do anything...anything to gobble up as much as they can. While we argue about such things, those guys laugh in their heaps of money.
Again, my intentions are not to look down on others beliefs or religions or their opinions, rather I'm just trying to clarify as much misconceptions there are about Islam as I can. If I offend anyone, I apologize.
|
|
