Originally posted by juniR:

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Argon, D2Pro, Wasabi, D2CKey in that order - all wiiclip I think but there've been one or 2 ppl having probs with clipped chips lately - just so you know. I wouldn't like to say how reliable any are.

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Originally posted by Ree81:

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With all due respect, juniR is full of $#!7. :P

D2CKey is a very good chip, very much comparable to both Argon and D2Pro. There's really No reason not to pick D2CKey over those when you're going for the Wii-Clip as it's been proven to be a very reliable chip.

Wii-clip has gotten very good reviews too and I've yet to find a single person who hasn't gotten it to work (though I'll do a search now). It's simply a working solution, and while I do understand the sceptisism surrounding it, nothing so far has shown it's substantiated.

So by all means, read some reviews, but also try to find some people who hasn't gotten it to work, then decide.

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Originally posted by juniR:

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hmmmm - it's not respectful to suggest anyone is full of sh1t - but I'll put it down to stupidity...

D2CKey doesn't match up to Argon or D2Pro - it's not guaranteed future proof and doesn't have JTAG programming available to it which definitely means it isn't as flexible. Also if D2CKey is that good then why did they decide to develop the D2Pro after it? Surely there'd be no point unless it was just to cut down the number of wires. If JTAG isn't that big a deal, then why didn't they stick with the same idea as the D2CKey and make a chip that would never need updating?

Post facts not the bigotted opinion of someone who just accepts what they have is ok ;)

I've read in these forums of ppl who've had problems with the clip and if you read VERY CAREFULLY what I said in this thread - I didn't say it wasn't an option, I actually said it "might well do." I merely added a note of caution and I think that's fair enough if I've read of issues don't you? Also if you search hard enough you'll see I've suggested the clip to ppl looking for a solderless solution.

You take your time before you say anyone is full of sh1t next time ;)

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Originally posted by Ree81:

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Okay. *looks ashamed* Sorry I said you were full of shit, but I still won't give up on some points.

Sure, D2CKey isn't As flexible, but it's managed extremely well so far, don't you think? Not a single (Wii) game seems to have failed to boot where other chips have had problems. Also, the reason they'd make the D2Pro is probably because they drastically reduced the number of wires in it and.. well let's be honest here, it's more expensive and they want to make more money.

And since he's using the very well recieved Wii-clip, I'd say go for the D2CKey and a clip since they're so cheap and -so far- the D2CKey has managed just fine.

Also the programmers for those new chips are expensive as hell if you ask me. >>

Lastly, the only reason why I reacted the way I did was beucase I thought You had bigoted ideas! :P Modders these days seem to have a hard time letting go of soldering when a new alternative which basically puts them out of business comes out. My view was (and still is) that the Wii-clip is a very solid product, and I aim to sell a lot of them in the near future, despite having -just- bought very expensive soldering equipment meant to solder Wii chips.

Again, sorry for any disrespect.

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