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Netflix to raise price for Blu-ray access
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article published on 22 April, 2008
Claiming increasing retail and wholesale price, Netflix has officially announced that it will be adding a "modest monthly premium" for access to the rental company's Blu-ray catalog.
Confirming what was implied by Netflix's first quarter earning calls, President and CEO Reed Hastings made the announcement official.
"Purchasing Blu-ray DVDs costs more both at retail and wholesale than ... [ read the full article ]
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r0b0t3ch
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23. April 2008 @ 11:30 |
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Originally posted by Oner:
"that is a store by store case basis as they are a FRANCHISE and the owners have the right to adjust prices to what they want/see fit (to an extent)."
Good thing you're not in politics!!! GOD forbid you making decisions for anyone................including yourself as based on this statement, I would be fearful of you making them for me.
It's franchises that can vary from location to location and the lame statements of "at participating locations" that is crap!!!
So you sticking with Blockbuster because of the franchise aspect is rediculous and exactly what were you referring to about "more options".............other than the rent online and bring into a store which Blockbuster is taking a serious loss for doing and will probably come to a screeching halt soon.
It's a simple as this...........the consumer sees the Blockbusters, Burger Kings of the world as just that.........BLOCKBUSTER AND BK. Consumer doesn't care about 'who owns' it. We care about the fact that the commercials said there's a sale at BK or BB and regardless of who owns it............WE WANT THAT SALE HONORED. This as opposed to 'doing our homework to determine who owns that specific location and whether or not they're "participating".
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23. April 2008 @ 11:31 |
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Originally posted by hulud86:
This sucks. I already pay $30-$35 bucks to buy high-def and now i'm going to get charged extra to rent them. I guess i'm not surprised.
Where are you guys buying your movies from? You can definitely find cheaper prices then that online. Deep Discount sales anywhere from 12-30 dollars.
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23. April 2008 @ 15:22 |
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Originally posted by Oner:
Why/How the hell do people equate this to being a SONY responsible thing? Seriously. This is about NETFLIX raising their prices! NOT SONY. This is the reason why I stick with Blockbuster for my rentals online & in store, as it gives me MUCH more options. Also not every Blockbuster charges extra for BD movies, that is a store by store case basis as they are a FRANCHISE and the owners have the right to adjust prices to what they want/see fit (to an extent). The BB's near me DO NOT charge additional for BD vs DVD and they even have the same time rental lengths (new release 2 1/2 days, old ones 7 days).
Some people here REALLY need to get off their "Everything is SONY's fault" kick and grow up already.
It might be Netflix visibly raising their price, but if things are truly as the article states (increasing retail and wholesale price), then it is an upstream price hike that is being passed on. So, as someone has said, manufacturing/distribution prices have likely gone up. Which defies all logic, unless licensing costs have spiked. Which is controlled by the BDA. Which is in turn largely controlled by Sony.
Even if people can't put two and two together and see the root cause, how about we stop defending these thieves, there is no justifiable reason for the price rise other than greed, and they only get away with it because fanboys can't see past the stars in their eyes that they're being taken for a ride.
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eatsushi
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23. April 2008 @ 15:38 |
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I think there is a big (and unfortunate) misunderstanding here because of one single word in the afterdawn news article:
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Claiming increasing retail and wholesale price
If you look at the original/source article from high-def digest:
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/H...ubscribers/1671
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Citing higher retail and wholesale prices
So here's the situation:
Wholesale and retail prices for BluRay are not INCREASING as indicated in the afterdawn article. Instead the prices are HIGHER (as indicated by the source). They are not the same thing. It is understandable that prices for BluRay are higher since it is a new technology and the manufacturing process from mastering to authoring/encoding and to duplication are all more expensive than regular DVD.
Bottom line - the retail and wholesale prices ar NOT INCREASING. As expected, they are HIGHER than regular DVD thus the plan for a higher rental rate.
Maybe DVDBack23 can edit his news article to avoid confusion and reflect the original source more accurately.
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23. April 2008 @ 17:30 |
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Thank You EatSushi for explaining that. It seems some people here do not have a very high reading comprehension and just LOVE to make assumptions based on nothing as well as TRY to put words into peoples mouths which brings me to my next area that needs addressing...
Originally posted by r0b0t3ch:
Originally posted by Oner:
"that is a store by store case basis as they are a FRANCHISE and the owners have the right to adjust prices to what they want/see fit (to an extent)."
Good thing you're not in politics!!! GOD forbid you making decisions for anyone................including yourself as based on this statement, I would be fearful of you making them for me.
It's franchises that can vary from location to location and the lame statements of "at participating locations" that is crap!!!
So you sticking with Blockbuster because of the franchise aspect is rediculous and exactly what were you referring to about "more options".............other than the rent online and bring into a store which Blockbuster is taking a serious loss for doing and will probably come to a screeching halt soon.
It's a simple as this...........the consumer sees the Blockbusters, Burger Kings of the world as just that.........BLOCKBUSTER AND BK. Consumer doesn't care about 'who owns' it. We care about the fact that the commercials said there's a sale at BK or BB and regardless of who owns it............WE WANT THAT SALE HONORED. This as opposed to 'doing our homework to determine who owns that specific location and whether or not they're "participating".
#1) Who the hell do you think you are? You REALLY need to watch who & how you talk to people. You REALLY have to read over the rules as it seems you have forgotten them.
#2) What point are you trying to make about "Thank God I am not in politics"? Are you for real? I mean seriously!
#3) You absolutely totally missed my point and then try to make assumptions about the choice I made being BECAUSE of it being a franchise? What are you daft?
#4) I don't understand what is so hard to understand. NETFLIX is the ONLY one doing this (as of now) and there has been no indication or information that states otherwise.
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23. April 2008 @ 18:05 |
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Now now.........don't be gettin' all defensive and huffy and puffy just because I was right about ya'. I said nothing mean or beligerent and did not call you names so TAKE IT LIKE A MAN! You're a moderator amigo. This is daily for you. No biggie.
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23. April 2008 @ 18:27 |
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I have to agree with some posters, some people don't know how to read, unable to comprehend, or just simply lack the "hardware" necessary for proper reasoning. Hence, let's blame Sony...for what, again?
Just a quick question for those that are all pissy about the raised prices for renting higher quality video on BRD: why the expectation to get premium quality at the same price paid for the regular quality? Just because "it used to be the same"? Where is the logic behind it? C'mon people, we're not talking about Jesus handing out bread and fish, we're talking about a business who's sole purpose is to make money. Stop being bent out of shape, you think you're being taken advantage of, switch to BB, or buy your own discs.
It still baffles me, how come people expect two absolutely distinct quality products to be sold for the same price! I would say, think of it as a free ride, that now is over, and get over it!Maybe I am the narrow minded one though!
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Originally posted by r0b0t3ch:
Now now.........don't be gettin' all defensive and huffy and puffy just because I was right about ya'. I said nothing mean or beligerent and did not call you names so TAKE IT LIKE A MAN! You're a moderator amigo. This is daily for you. No biggie.
You are lucky another mod got to you before I did.
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24. April 2008 @ 04:23 |
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all i can say is WOW, so much for an unbias opinion.
at the end of the day they see this as a way to raise prices and with the lack of competition from another hd format customers will be extorted as usual, the same as the last ten years of the dvd pricing structure and regional price fixing using the DRM regional coding but at least the DVD anti-consumer DRM was easily bypassed, IMHO ppl stick to DVD until its actually worth the change and courporations are not ripping everyone off.
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And to those who don't know how to mind their business or like to make "little jabs" after the fact should also be VERY careful as they can easily follow r0b0t3ch's lead/example as they are already on thin ice.
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nobrainer, edit your sig to conform to forum specs ASAP. yours is 9 lines of text as yours is double spaced.
1. Text-only signatures should have at most 5 lines of text.
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Originally posted by ddp:
nobrainer, edit your sig to conform to forum specs ASAP. yours is 9 lines of text as yours is double spaced.
1. Text-only signatures should have at most 5 lines of text.
NB bro,I probably could make that into a scrolling pic, PM me and I'll see what mew can slop together..
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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25. April 2008 @ 00:36 |
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I noticed that only one person mentioned a huge factor in all this, gas prices. Lots of stuff gets shipped in trucks and with diesel at well over $4.00 per gallon a lot of stuff is going to go up in price. Start getting used to it now as diesel will probably go over $5.00 per gallon since it isn't even May yet.
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Simple fact: SONY has a long history of DRM tactics that are very sleazy, sometimes illegal, pro-SONY making money, very anti-consumer rights. No need to even argue about it. Just pay attention.
Simple fact: You don't have to support higher prices or things that are blatantly against your interests. Don't buy, rent, lease whatever. If you think the product is worth the price, pay it. Otherwise do not. Simple.
Simple fact: You are free and you DO have a right to oppose, fight, complain about, and resist anything which Corporations do which impinge upon your freedoms -- including fair use.
Simple fact: If you do not defend your rights, you will lose them.
Thanks for reading and feel free to disagree.
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Simple fact: SONY has a long history of DRM tactics that are very sleazy, sometimes illegal, pro-SONY making money, very anti-consumer rights. No need to even argue about it. Just pay attention.
you do realize that without the digital rights the company wouldn't reap
a profit?
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NeoGeoz
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Originally posted by tripplite:
you do realize that without the digital rights the company wouldn't reap a profit?
Really? Maybe you should think about that a little more and look deeper.
First, no one is complaining about their "digital rights" -- just their infringement of *our* rights.
Second, there are millions of ways to make money without digital rights. Just deliver a good product or service at a fair price. There has never been any substantiated proof of any monetary loss of any significance to a large company like Sony from *consumer* theft of rights. I am not talking about China or other Asian countries where *commercial* thieves operate under govt sanction. I am talking about people like you and me.
I have the equipment and the know how to pirate just about any game or movie that I want. Yet I have hundreds of CD's, DVD's and video games all bought and paid for legitimately. Why? Because I don't mind paying a fair price for decent goods.
I also have a copy of a $70 SONY video game sitting unused on a shelf (it was a gift) because it wouldn't run on my system due to the onerous copy protection scheme (since abandoned after several lawsuits).
You may also be interested to know that the biggest thefts of "digital rights" are by companies like SONY - not consumers. They just use corporate lawyers to obsfuscate the theft.
I have owned and run several businesses, including book and software publishing companies, among others, so I know all about intellectual property rights. I am an author of a few small books and several commercial software packages. IP rights were originally designed to protect creators and promote the dissemination of ideas, now, like patents, they have been perverted to just the opposite use.
You need shed no tears over SONY, believe me. I cannot educate you on a forum like this, but I urge you to do some more research, reading, and follow a few court cases in detail. You might particularly enjoy those where the artists are suing companies like SONY for depriving them of their just rights and revenues, or the cases where corps like SONY suppress the dissemination of ideas and works via draconian legal harassment of creators who cannot afford to fight them in court.
Then come back and talk to me about their profits, which are quite substantial, by the way.
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nobrainer
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Originally posted by tripplite:
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Simple fact: SONY has a long history of DRM tactics that are very sleazy, sometimes illegal, pro-SONY making money, very anti-consumer rights. No need to even argue about it. Just pay attention.
you do realize that without the digital rights the company wouldn't reap
a profit?
i hear you there as they wouldn't be able to sell you the same media again and again and continue to rip off customers by selling them licences that state you are NOT allowed to sell, lend or even give away the media because of piracy you do NOT own it anymore!
licensing via the Blu-Ray phone home ability is possibly the worst anti-consumer move that the studios are toying with, imagine in 10 years when Blu-Ray is being replaced and when your entire Blu-Ray collection refuses to play because they have shut the phone home for authorisation servers?
of course they would never think of doing anything like this because ppl have legitimately purchased their media!
Sony confirms closure of 'Connect' music store - paying customers get stung by DRM
Originally posted by above hyper:
Not only is the store closing, but if you upgrade your computer in the future, you can kiss goodbye to any tracks you previously bought. This tidbit is taken from the Sony FAQs:
That's right, through the joys of DRM -- if you change your computer, your Connect-purchased music will no longer play. Though it's been said routinely before, we'll state it again. DRM does not prevent piracy. DRM merely shafts loyal, paying customers who choose to legitimately obtain their media online. More often than not, those customers are not so tech-savvy, and end up being stung by stores such as Google Video and Connect shutting up shop.
EFF to Ballmer: You owe MSN Music customers an apology, a refund and more
Originally posted by above hyper:
EFF has published an open letter to Steve Ballmer upbraiding him for switching off the MSN Music DRM server and nuking the music collections of every customer trusting enough to buy music, laying out a suite of things that Microsoft needs to do to make amends:
then lets not forget the global region price fixing tools DRM "region coding" if this is disabled on a Blu-Ray player you player shuts down and reports home the hack, i'm sure this stops piracy doesn't it, or does it just help to exploit richer nations by charging higher prices?
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The problem with IP/CP rights mainly CP rights it gives the consumer/public lil protection to greed and abuse by corporate and even corporate has layers of protection as so they can rape each other?s CP/IP.
I really think it?s time to go back to a simple CP/IP setup personal private use trumps the deals they inbreed with themselves the when they break their own deals and schemes the government should levy heavy fines(so up to 20% the worth of that what?s in questions), company's only care about money if you enforce hard rules to limit abuses they will try to play fair more often with each other.
As for CP/IP crimes against individuals that?s a joke how can 1 private individual do so much damage to a company they can't even if there are thousands of them the amount of money most corporations bring in is unfathomable by the common man.
Let business whine and fight over the monetary aspect of the rights and distribution, let the people who have the knowledge build their libraries of data, the corporations make a profit one way or another and through dealings with themselves make even more profit.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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Nobrainer -- excellent post!
Re: Blu-RAY, that's why I bought 2 HD-DVD players (cheap) and am buying all the now cheap HD-DVD's I can. I do not own and will not purchase a Blu-Ray player nor any Blu-Ray media of any kind. Economic boycott is the best weapon against this kind of thing. I think Blu-Ray will ultimately be a loser for SONY, but then I also thought HD-DVD would be the consumers choice. Well, I may have been right about that. SONY basically "bought" the market rather than consumers making a choice.
I have a secret hope that the Toshiba will release HD-DVD technology for free (or very low cost) use somehow, but probably will not happen.
ZippyDSM -- I do not worry one whit about the big corporations. I do care, however, about the authors/creators and do wish to see them get the fair compensation they deserve. My hope is that over time, most artists will be able to distribute their works directly without any middle-men and so solve that problem. Happening already to some extent.
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