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65nm Xbox 360s coming in August?
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article published on 8 May, 2008
According to Taiwanese industry news source CENS, improved 65nm Xbox 360s should be arriving later this year, even as soon as August.
The report adds that Microsoft has "already begun contracting out the production of 65nm chips," which in turn should form part of the consoles long anticipated "Jasper" revision.
There was also word that there was a depletion of the current chipset, ... [ read the full article ]
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8. May 2008 @ 19:16 |
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Great more 360 rumors. I don't believe it.
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varnull
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8. May 2008 @ 19:20 |
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Yeah.. these were coming in July 2007.. then August.. then December.....
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65nm Xbox 360 seen in the wild
Gaming round-up Wii will not be moved
By Dean Pullen: Monday, 08 October 2007, 9:41 AM
Xbox 360
Xbox-scene.com forum posters believe they have spotted a 65nm CPU Xbox 360 in the wild - but without the use of the upcoming Falcon motherboard.
"The motherboard looks (almost) identical to the Zephyr, so I doubt it's the Falcon already. If the CPU is 65nm or not is hard to say ... it seems to be a bit different to those in the Pro-hdmi or Elite anyway. The smaller package, the lower power usage and missing 'power converters' on the right side of the board seems to indicate we indeed have a 65nm CPU here." read the posting.
No official word on whether Microsoft is indeed manufacturing 65nm components yet, but it's a strong possibility.
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/n...s3-sku-released
Lets face it.. They can't make them work.
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8. May 2008 @ 19:30 |
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Pardon the stupidity, but what is so great about a 65nm xbox ?
"The flimsier the product,the higher the price"
Ferengi 82nd rule of aqusition
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8. May 2008 @ 19:35 |
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Supposedly they have lower power consumption which equals less heat output. Also due to the smaller die size there is a very small but significant decrease in overall transit time, meaning the cpu seems to work faster for a given clock speed.
Less heat + small speed boost = better.. still need to sort out the dodgy build quality.
(that time at llamma did come in useful after all)
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8. May 2008 @ 19:56 |
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I already knew about the technological advances, but will they deliver on the goods? Also using a smaller distance between components on the cpu will result in greater computational power for a 65nm vs larger distance cpu. What keeps xbox (M$) simply to use 65nm technology and not deliver more crunching power to save money. Sure you get a cooler running cpu with (most likely ) more longevity, but that may be it.
"The flimsier the product,the higher the price"
Ferengi 82nd rule of aqusition
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8. May 2008 @ 20:01 |
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viny1313
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8. May 2008 @ 20:04 |
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3 years later? Did they even bother to test the console before they even released it? I find this to be extreme BS... This should have been implemented in the 1st gen consoles. They would have made SO much more money...
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8. May 2008 @ 20:08 |
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"The flimsier the product,the higher the price"
Ferengi 82nd rule of aqusition
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8. May 2008 @ 20:10 |
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A day late a dollar short........
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viny1313
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8. May 2008 @ 20:12 |
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I don't think they're really a dollar short... They're just cheap ;)
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8. May 2008 @ 20:14 |
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... and a console that could have been so great spoiled by bad manufacturing and poor customer service..
Just shows when you have billions to waste what a monumental cockup you can make.
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8. May 2008 @ 22:33 |
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DoomLight
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8. May 2008 @ 22:59 |
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funny i thought these were already out.
jeeze
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redux79
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8. May 2008 @ 23:53 |
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I remember reading about this just before the falcon chip 360's were released. The falcon chips were released fall 07 now the jasper chips will be released fall 08. If that wasn't enough there have already been rumors of 45nm chip sets to be released sometime in 09. They are literally fixing one single chip once a year instead of just knocking it out all at once. By the time the 360's failure rate is comparable to the ps3/wii it's going to be 2012 and time for a new round of consoles.
Warning conspiracy theory:
This whole "we are improving the 360" crap is looking more and more like a giant marketing ploy. They change one minor thing once a year and don't advertise it so it looks like some kind of big secret. People get their hopes up and think wow this one won't break the RROD is gone! Sales spike and some buy their second or third 360 then the truth comes out that brand new consoles are failing. In the end people still have to worry about RROD and the only consolation they get is that the RROD statistical ratio has somewhat decreased.
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9. May 2008 @ 01:20 |
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Originally posted by varnull:
... a console that could have been so great spoiled by bad manufacturing and poor customer service..
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9. May 2008 @ 01:22 |
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Stuffed up the quote above so answered here
I could'nt agree more as i was think'n about ms today (i was bored :p) ,& how it is that the xbox 1 to my knowledge was a mighty fine first attempt at a console (not too many hardware issue etc) ,what really made it for me was the game graphics in Halo 1 & 2,both the console & game complemented one another to a level that suprised me compared to any other game on any platform inc the ol' pox 1 (other than pc),later down the track we end up with the 360 & i think to myself now that i've been on the net since 03 with my comp & assuming the xbox 1 did'nt have any major issues as i was'nt around the net to know,how the bloody hell did ms end up with a 2nd console that was poorly designed & tested,my guess they're just too big a company with too many chiefs & not listening too what the ground floor are telling them,it's ironic that they wanted to beat the PS3 to market when it really would'nt matter since word of mouth is your best advertisement,i have no doubt the 360 can kick the PS3's ass & so it dam well should ms have been around hardware for years so now how to squeeze a lot from a little & effeciency is the key,i was look'n forward to getting a 360 sometime in the next 2 years but now forget it unless by some miracle they pull a rabbit out of the hat & fix their @$%^%*&* i'll end up getting a PS3 instead me thinks ,(i will anyway but would prefer a reliable 360 first) up ..end rant..lol..
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9. May 2008 @ 04:14 |
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damn sounds like more bs to me they just holding off till next gen because the only way they gonna fix the problem is to start from scratch
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rainofire
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9. May 2008 @ 05:12 |
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Woah, a new chip after 3 bloody years... well there is the falcon chipset. But the 360 still has the RROD problem. Now when this chip comes out there is going to be a rumored 45nm chip. I really wonder if it will really help the 360 and the RROD problem.
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scorpNZ
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9. May 2008 @ 05:52 |
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Surely the RROD is nothing more than a component failure warning system so it could be a hdd or incorrectly seated power cable etc,since i don't own a 360 i have to go by my xbox 1 & it has a warning system of the flashing ring when somethings not right
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9. May 2008 @ 06:03 |
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True.. But it is usually that faulty overheat sensor buried in the cpu.
I don't know why they didn't socket the cpu... oh wait.. that would cost them $.50 per unit....
The coppermine on the X1 was reliable.. I think these are just faulty design from the start and instead of starting over they are trying the sure fire way to a disaster.. "we can fix it"..
Didn't lockheed say something similar about the Starfighter?
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9. May 2008 @ 08:00 |
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Yeah.. these were coming in July 2007.. then August.. then December.....
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65nm Xbox 360 seen in the wild
Gaming round-up Wii will not be moved
By Dean Pullen: Monday, 08 October 2007, 9:41 AM
Xbox 360
Xbox-scene.com forum posters believe they have spotted a 65nm CPU Xbox 360 in the wild - but without the use of the upcoming Falcon motherboard.
"The motherboard looks (almost) identical to the Zephyr, so I doubt it's the Falcon already. If the CPU is 65nm or not is hard to say ... it seems to be a bit different to those in the Pro-hdmi or Elite anyway. The smaller package, the lower power usage and missing 'power converters' on the right side of the board seems to indicate we indeed have a 65nm CPU here." read the posting.
No official word on whether Microsoft is indeed manufacturing 65nm components yet, but it's a strong possibility.
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/n...s3-sku-released
Lets face it.. They can't make them work.
Did you bother reading the article? It's the 65nm GPU which is to be released fall '08. The 65nm CPU WAS released fall '07.
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kojiro00
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9. May 2008 @ 11:03 |
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Originally posted by scorpNZ:
Stuffed up the quote above so answered here
I could'nt agree more as i was think'n about ms today (i was bored :p) ,& how it is that the xbox 1 to my knowledge was a mighty fine first attempt at a console (not too many hardware issue etc) ,what really made it for me was the game graphics in Halo 1 & 2,both the console & game complemented one another to a level that suprised me compared to any other game on any platform inc the ol' pox 1 (other than pc),later down the track we end up with the 360 & i think to myself now that i've been on the net since 03 with my comp & assuming the xbox 1 did'nt have any major issues as i was'nt around the net to know,how the bloody hell did ms end up with a 2nd console that was poorly designed & tested,my guess they're just too big a company with too many chiefs & not listening too what the ground floor are telling them,it's ironic that they wanted to beat the PS3 to market when it really would'nt matter since word of mouth is your best advertisement,i have no doubt the 360 can kick the PS3's ass & so it dam well should ms have been around hardware for years so now how to squeeze a lot from a little & effeciency is the key,i was look'n forward to getting a 360 sometime in the next 2 years but now forget it unless by some miracle they pull a rabbit out of the hat & fix their @$%^%*&* i'll end up getting a PS3 instead me thinks ,(i will anyway but would prefer a reliable 360 first) up ..end rant..lol..
Youre right about M$ wanting to beat PS3 into the market. 360 is going to go through many many changes, it it wont make much cheaper to the consumer. only complete knuckle heads would buy any new 360 builds they make until M$ announces that theyve made a final build of the 360.
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9. May 2008 @ 12:25 |
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Dodgy quality is correct. I just got mine a few days ago. When I took it out of the box, I noticed something rattling inside it, WTF!
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9. May 2008 @ 12:44 |
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Originally posted by BludRayne:
Dodgy quality is correct. I just got mine a few days ago. When I took it out of the box, I noticed something rattling inside it, WTF!
Ya, that's the sensor which detects whether the 360 is positioned horizontal or verticle. So of course you'll hear it rattle.
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9. May 2008 @ 12:50 |
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only complete knuckle heads would buy any new 360 builds they make until M$ announces that theyve made a final build of the 360.
So, using your logic, everyone who purchase any and every version of the PS2 up until the last build is a complete knuckle head? You should try rethinking that.
It would be stupid on a manufacturers part NOT to keep upgrading and cutting costs on their products. Why keep using old tech if new and more cost effective items are available? And that's all the 65nm gpu is. A newer and more cost effective processor.
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