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UK government orders ISPs to retain data
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article published on 16 May, 2008
UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown has passed a law that will force phone and internet companies to keep full logs of their customer's internet usage. The data will also need to be made readily available to the police if they need it.
The law, dubbed the "Communications Data Bill", is an offshoot of the EU's "Data Retention Directive". Last October the first part of the bill was passed and ... [ read the full article ]
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nobrainer
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16. May 2008 @ 18:30 |
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"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act."
George Orwell, 1984
i suppose this bill coincides with the review of the socpa and the right to protest that the government wish to expand to the whole country not just around parliament square, what is free speech?
http://www.parliament-square.org.uk/
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/01/389354.html
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One of Gordon Brown's first announcements when he became prime minister, was that the state would 'look again' at the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005 (SOCPA) clauses which affect the right to protest within a kilometer of the Houses of Parliament. Since then, a consultation has been launched by the Home Office, and the closing date for responses is 17/01/08.
Anti-SOCPA campaigners who have studied the proposal are concerned that, rather than leading to a repeal of the relevant clauses of the act, the consultation could lead to an extension of the powers, meaning that any demonstration anywhere in the country would be required to seek police authorisation in advance.
what comes after 99% surveillance, stopping the right to habeas corpus, destroying freedom of speech exactly?
great UK documentary about how the labour government is destroying our rights can be found here, every UK citizen needs to watch and wake up. http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doci...ALrw5XqCQ&hl=en
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16. May 2008 @ 18:31 |
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Now we see a need for more encryption and to encrypt the amounts of data transmitted ( of personal internet usage)
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16. May 2008 @ 19:02 |
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everone jumps on the bandwagons > its all b*****ks ya ya > select to encrypt your transmissons of data the powers that be have beening doing for some time > nothing can stem the ever large
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16. May 2008 @ 20:08 |
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At least in the UK you know before hand. Here in the U.S. you find out after it been going on for a couple of years.
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16. May 2008 @ 23:32 |
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big brother has been here for some time now.this is just another manifestation of it.
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16. May 2008 @ 23:32 |
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big brother has been here for some time now.this is just another manifestation of it.
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16. May 2008 @ 23:32 |
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big brother has been here for some time now.this is just another manifestation of it.
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16. May 2008 @ 23:33 |
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sorry for the multiple post.
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17. May 2008 @ 08:01 |
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Is this tracking what you download etc aswell, or just emails ingoing and outgoing? Its not very clear
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17. May 2008 @ 11:57 |
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Ahhh, big brother, ever present and ever lurking.
Nice quote BTW nobrainer. That's one of the one's that popped in my head as well.
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17. May 2008 @ 12:31 |
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Install fear, then lose all your rights. What has this world come to. All this national security BS. Just implant the chips in us already and get it over with.
This is just the beginning. zeitgeist.
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17. May 2008 @ 15:58 |
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The big trouble is this..
In one of the least free states in the world we have the most state surveillance and spying. It impacts on ordinary every day people.. It does not affect the criminals who have for a long time used unregistered phones and stolen internet connections.
Terrorists were filmed all the way from home to London before the bombings.. they were already on a "watched list".
Every night in my town people are violently assaulted and robbed.. Nobody ever gets caught, but somebody I know was accused of working on the side because he had left home at 8am 3 mornings in a row and was filmed doing so.
This new law hasn't been reported in any way by the mainstream UK media, they are full of some pig bastard getting the shit kicked out of him by some football thugs.. I wish they had killed the asshole myself.. with his baton and riot gear
DEATH TO THE NAZI STATE STORMTROOPERS.. and all their rich big business cronies... MP's BTW are exempt from having their communications bugged and data retained. One law for them... one law for the rest of us.. Charles 1 got his head cut off for that kind of bollocks.
Also in 1984 Orwell stated" In a strictly governed country like Britain any attempt to overthrow the state powers will lead to massive bloodshed, as the state will use any violence necessary against the people to enforce peaceful (if oppressive) rule"..
This has happened in Britain before.. The massacres of civilians who were having nothing more than peaceful political public discussions (Chartists wanting a proper written constitution no less).. peterloo massacre etc...
They had us in 1948.. and by god they have us now after 60 years of complacency! This is not and has never ever been a democracy. The time to rise and cause social upheaval is upon us. I will see you on the barricades comrades!!
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17. May 2008 @ 20:33 |
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Hahaha...hey varnull Electro Magnetic Pulse is your friend.
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17. May 2008 @ 21:09 |
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varnull/no brains
I do like cameras everywhere(public areas),however data gathering is pointless unless the government can ensure it wont be used for petty brow beating of the consumer by industry, industry dose not have a right/need to access it the government may use it for real crime but another trouble what is a real crime in PC-ville.
We have camera's here locally(USA,TN) but they just hand out car tickets because we are to cheap to put out them to use for real public safety and then they have the balls to shut them down when the company starts price gouging the city, ah unfettered capitalism wait...zippy has a thought introducing.............
Zippy definition="G"apitalism, when greed creates gaps in reason and logic in a monolithic capitalist society.
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17. May 2008 @ 21:37 |
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Zippy made a post....Run Away....
i don't like camera's in any area sorry zippy. you see they help not since its a camera. now a remote mini-gun slapped on with the camera and a script that detects illegal actions when on camera that cause's the mini gun to activate pulverizing everything within its firing path using
armor piercing incinerating rounds.
that effective.
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17. May 2008 @ 22:40 |
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Originally posted by DXR88:
Zippy made a post....Run Away....
i don't like camera's in any area sorry zippy. you see they help not since its a camera. now a remote mini-gun slapped on with the camera and a script that detects illegal actions when on camera that cause's the mini gun to activate pulverizing everything within its firing path using
armor piercing incinerating rounds.
that effective.
what do you have to fear you are doing nothign wrong, look beyond the prying and look at whats its used for, public minor crimes (jwalking,sex in public places and over offenses) not so much ensuring criminal's don't have an alibi or they get caught doing the crime yes its imperfect since criminals can network and figure where the cameras ain't, theres a cadanida cop drama with a coroner lead that went over the ins and outs of cameras setups pretty nicely, its not exactly something thats ripe for abuse, unless its traffic cam.
I think what would be better if you enlisted unarmed (but for mace) street watchers,let them meet every 2-4 weeks for drills and exercise, be sure they sign away a good bit of their rights away this is community service after all and be sure to heavily fine anyone who aids illisct activities who's part of the this public watch.
The trouble is between the lawyers and the "how can I make money off this" people the public gets vague protection.
If anythign they should start putting cameras in high crime areas then work there way up, also public house needs cameras to deal with vandals and crime, I see the good in cameras but more often than not they are under used because the same people who wont put cops on the beat wont pay more for more people to watch the Gdam cameras..
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17. May 2008 @ 23:09 |
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im sorry i just don't believe camera's will solve anything. its the dame government there getting to lazy and cops are about as useless as it get.
i had my house broken into before if i didn't have my Remington ready id probably be dead as it took them 15 minutes to get there. there trying to replace eye's of law enforcement with camera's and it simply isn't going to work. put on a ski mask and dark shades and you ruin the camera's IDing capability's by a good 60% right there. in the end its still processed by human judgment and hands.
this is oppression of human rights, when we as a human being can no longer judge for are self right and wrong. when we can no longer move in public without the aid of the government monitoring us.When we can no longer stand until the government says to do so.
my grandfather lost the use of he's legs, so we could live in freedom
and millions others lost there life for that right. and now that right is being suppressed by the government.
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17. May 2008 @ 23:13 |
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Originally posted by DXR88:
im sorry i just don't believe camera's will solve anything. its the dame government there getting to lazy and cops are about as useless as it get.
i had my house broken into before if i didn't have my Remington ready id probably be dead as it took them 15 minutes to get there. there trying to replace eye's of law enforcement with camera's and it simply isn't going to work. put on a ski mask and dark shades and you ruin the camera's IDing capability's by a good 60% right there. in the end its still processed by human judgment and hands.
this is oppression of human rights, when we as a human being can no longer judge for are self right and wrong. when we can no longer move in public without the aid of the government monitoring us.When we can no longer stand until the government says to do so.
my grandfather lost the use of he's legs, so we could live in freedom
and millions others lost there life for that right. and now that right is being suppressed by the government.
oppression of human rights?
thats a bit of an overstatement, again look at what cameras do if anything its a misuse of government funds to under staff/fund it when they need to focus on other things.
Next yyou will say if they had a cop on every conner it would be some odd oppressional setup to herd the populace better.
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17. May 2008 @ 23:26 |
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oh it will lead to that my friend just you wait, they will be cattle prodding us to our cages,and branding are babies with micro identifiers in no time.
human ethics are for the most part gone, and what little there is, is being swept under the rug of time.
a waist of government money yeah it is considerings the pay scale of police officers these day's.
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