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Encryption chips to end PC game piracy?
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article published on 25 May, 2008
According to Atari founder Nolan Bushnell, PC game piracy will be a thing of the past thanks to new stealth encryption chips embedded in your computers.
"There is a stealth encryption chip called a TPM that is going on the motherboards of most of the computers that are coming out now," he added.
"What that says is that in the games business we will be able to encrypt with an absolutely ... [ read the full article ]
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26. May 2008 @ 16:12 |
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wikkipedia states this:
These potential other uses have given rise to privacy concerns. Consequently, to address these concerns, the TPM chip cannot be enabled via software alone - a "physical presence request" operation is required, whereby a human sitting at the computer must acknowledge the request to activate the device via a prompt at BIOS level.[4] Furthermore, each application that uses the TPM must register a unique passphrase when it takes ownership of the TPM in order to prevent other applications from also making unauthorized use of the TPM while it's enabled.[5]
so... are they just changing their MO or what?
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26. May 2008 @ 17:15 |
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so what happens when you buy the game, and eventually buy a new computer? Do yo uhave to re-pay for teh game that you already own? No matter how smart they think they are, there is always someone smarter. It won't last.
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26. May 2008 @ 18:08 |
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Originally posted by wolf123:
Look how long have they been putting this chip in already because I would like too know how far back they go and what machines have them so if I buy a new computer or build one what would I be looking for not to get.
WTF are you trying to say...OMG!!
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26. May 2008 @ 18:24 |
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Yeah like that will stop people! It'll slow it down for awhile but its like stopping a 200 car freight train going 100mph with a toothpick and a piece of Hubba Bubba!
When Quantum Computers become a reality. then maybe it'll stop piracy because I'm sure an offshoot of that would be quantum cryptography. (which I'm sure would make the RIAA, MPAA, the CIA, NRO and the NSA sweat and have nightmares and not sleep at night!)
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itchy299
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26. May 2008 @ 19:26 |
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with out repeating what has been said
iv herd this story along time ago
a techer on a corse kept going on on and on about how cd rom drives would eliminate piracy then he said the same about dongles not saying there is absolutly no way to block piracy but its a long way off look at consol gaming you nead in most cases to go at your bored with asoildering iron to use ahm backups that is one major reson people have to 60+ a game the fack of the mater is piracy keaps the general price of software down thats why we should use it in any case where were asked to pay to much for software my rule is i never pay more than 20 usd for software i broke this only twice once with vista keapin a updated vista machine is hard without it and anti virul software for the same reson
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26. May 2008 @ 20:05 |
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Originally posted by wolf123:
Look how long have they been putting this chip in already because I would like too know how far back they go and what machines have them so if I buy a new computer or build one what would I be looking for not to get.
WTF are you trying to say...OMG!!
I really messed that up I wanted too know how long the TPM has been implemented into computers.
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26. May 2008 @ 20:10 |
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Yes these are the same TPM chips that make sure that OSX only runs on macs......Oh wait a minute i have leopard running on my P4 tower, they must be good then ;)
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26. May 2008 @ 20:41 |
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"What that says is that in the games business we will be able to encrypt with an absolutely verifiable private key in the encryption world - which is uncrackable by people on the internet and by giving away passwords - which will allow for a huge market to develop in some of the areas where piracy has been a real problem."
Them be fighting words. You realize that this is just going to make the pirates even more hungry to break your soo called unbreakable code. i give it a month tops after it has been released.
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26. May 2008 @ 21:41 |
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Say you have a 2 year old or older comp are you safe from this so called chip.
I believe it will take a month to break too.
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26. May 2008 @ 21:52 |
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They really think they are going to see profits? If people can't afford their over-priced games in the first place, then they still won't buy them.
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magnets
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26. May 2008 @ 22:56 |
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to those worried that they have a motherboard with a tpm chip or want to avoid buying a motherboard with a tpm chip:
The software will state a tpm chip as a requirement to run, just like most games require a directX9 video card or 150Gb hard drive space etc. The idea is that you will NEED a tpm motherboard to play the game
Purchasing a motherboard without a tpm chip does not mean you will be able to play copy protected games that rely on a tpm chip.
Though, as many others have said, it's just going to be hackers finding the bit of code that says "authorise via tpm" and removing that function. Then the game will work anywhere.
i think the most effective from of piracy proof stuff we have seen is 'give the game away for free then charge a subscription service to use it' like WOW. Much easier to enforce that way.
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26. May 2008 @ 23:24 |
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*Yawn*
What's going to make this effective (from an anti-hack prospective) where most everything else has failed?
Dream on. All this will do is improve upon what's already being done.
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27. May 2008 @ 00:20 |
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Cubase SX uses a usb dongle which is now cracked.
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27. May 2008 @ 06:24 |
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you say "Purchasing a motherboard without a tpm chip does not mean you will be able to play copy protected games that rely on a tpm chip."
so in reality emulation of a TPM would work full stop.... however the TPM is programmed there will be ways to stop this menace to PC-Kind...
the idea this chip is "Unhackable" is bullshit..... i even think this could be a way of been hacked but used in the wrong manor... meaning using it for another purpose... such as checking up on our data and feeding it to local authoritys...
TPM's have been out for like 4 - 5 Years but why re release them? its either a mis-leading device planted in your motherboard or just another re-design.... fact is.... hacked in like a month.... they try with the best antivirus systems to remove viruses and such yet pc's are still hackable what makes this chip any different?
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empulse
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27. May 2008 @ 08:18 |
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If a man can build it, a man can break it.
Simple as that.
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27. May 2008 @ 10:04 |
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Originally posted by nobrainer:
who would even purchase a crippled piece of hardware, well other than blu-ray and game console fans! that are both designed to block media.
vote with your feet ppl, don't purchase anti-consumer, restricted crapware.
Sheesh............what kind of question is this? Who? Who you ask? YOU, ME, THE DOG, ELVES..............ANYONE that has a computer that crashes or wants to stay current technologically. I guess you could always just buy 10 year old mobos down the road and even that won't work in 20.
As for the TPM, many of us could only hope that it's hackable because even though I buy many games, like I just picked up Rainbow Six V2 for 30 bucks at BB, there are still plenty of games that I would rather just grab N' play. Example, C.O.D. 4 was awesome but it was extremely short. Painkiller games are kinda fun but not worth 50 or even 40 bucks..............maybe 10. Easier to just download. I buy my fair share but nothing feels better than a successful jacking of a decent game.
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27. May 2008 @ 11:15 |
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If some one can build it some one else can crack it!! Fools.... maybe they should have saved all of the money they spent develping this idea and considered that extra income. LOL
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27. May 2008 @ 12:42 |
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Originally posted by magnets:
to those worried that they have a motherboard with a tpm chip or want to avoid buying a motherboard with a tpm chip:
The software will state a tpm chip as a requirement to run, just like most games require a directX9 video card or 150Gb hard drive space etc. The idea is that you will NEED a tpm motherboard to play the game
Purchasing a motherboard without a tpm chip does not mean you will be able to play copy protected games that rely on a tpm chip.
Though, as many others have said, it's just going to be hackers finding the bit of code that says "authorise via tpm" and removing that function. Then the game will work anywhere.
i think the most effective from of piracy proof stuff we have seen is 'give the game away for free then charge a subscription service to use it' like WOW. Much easier to enforce that way.
what game you playing that need 150 GB or is that a typo, sorry then .
I would think making you have a TPM device too play a game you purchase would be illegal.
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27. May 2008 @ 12:46 |
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Hahahahaha
Give me a freaking break. But wait, let's say this will work, what about the millions of computers that already exist and the millions of motherboards that already exist?
No wait, ahahahahahhaha, give me a freaking break.
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27. May 2008 @ 16:05 |
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Originally posted by adre02:
But wait, let's say this will work, what about the millions of computers that already exist and the millions of motherboards that already exist?
That's the easy part. They put out a version of Window$ (no point mentioning other OS's for gaming, sadly) that will only work on a mobo with TPM. Force most of the world to switch to that OS like they did with Vi$ta, produce games only for that OS, and there you go.
The hard part will be to make sure all the above works as they imagined. ;)
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27. May 2008 @ 18:35 |
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if you would read the above comments you would realize this chips have already been implemented, theres almost nothing that the end consumer can do, but in such times of distress the net superheroes will always be with us :p or against them if you preffer.
the 1 thing they dont learn, is that the harder they do it, the more appealing for the hackesrs
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27. May 2008 @ 19:37 |
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This won't last, TPM emulation exists, just the same as CD-DVD-ROM EMU.
if you don't like TPM grab a pair of needle nose pliers and pull it off.
TPM is a non system critical object.
without Windows, Hackers wouldn't have any fun time.
The genius Built it, the pirate used it, in the end only the pirate was alive.
it was a simple concept. see if you can grasp its true meaning.
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28. May 2008 @ 00:35 |
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hmm TPM souns fun....remember windows xp....they came out with windows genuine validation...and thanks to an unnamed person ( for security reasons) windows genuine advantage nightmare was born
then there was vista....man microsoft was smooth....giving out free copies of RC1 and RC2 etc all the while collecting data about how the hackers crack it and they say it wont be pirated now vista is out ...and guess wat man i have so many copies of it u could call me bill gates's son....though i would rather hang myself first than be microsoft's bitch
but say what..need not worry..TPM's are here to stay....for a month at most until they find the piece of code that says "authorize" and disarm it....and then it's all yours...
hackers working on the TPM and other game hackers working on the game...have no fear....copying will continue
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28. May 2008 @ 00:42 |
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Starting to think that they want to end the 2nd hand market by forcing the games to a chip....what wasteful foolishness.
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28. May 2008 @ 08:54 |
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Originally posted by adre02:
But wait, let's say this will work, what about the millions of computers that already exist and the millions of motherboards that already exist?
That's the easy part. They put out a version of Window$ (no point mentioning other OS's for gaming, sadly) that will only work on a mobo with TPM. Force most of the world to switch to that OS like they did with Vi$ta, produce games only for that OS, and there you go.
The hard part will be to make sure all the above works as they imagined. ;)
Yeah, I understand that part but there is not going to be a version of windows developed anytime soon just because of gaming piracy. I really can't see that happening, because they tried that with windows xp and vista and it did not work. Now, I take that back, i do see it happening, but I also see it working for a good one month or so and that's it. Plus, TPM already exist.
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