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Controversial intellectual property treaty being drafted in secret
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article published on 27 May, 2008
Officials from the United States, European Commission, Japan, and Switzerland are among those secretly working out details for a new anti-piracy treaty to be discussed at this year's G-8 Summit being held in July. A leaked discussion paper for the proposed Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) suggests the adoption of several new legal measures in participating countries that would ... [ read the full article ]
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27. May 2008 @ 11:59 |
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The treaty, as outlined in the leaked document, would mandate authority for customs agents to examine portable devices from laptops to iPods for evidence of either P2P file sharing activity or copied content from media including CDs and DVDs that could constitute copyright infringement. They would then have the ability to seize such property without any judicial oversight, and even levy fines to "offenders."
Ok, this is complete BS. There is no way this would ever happen. If so it's ludacris.
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dsgrce
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27. May 2008 @ 12:27 |
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Absolutely ridiculous, I can't believe that this would actually pass in the U.S. (hoping not).
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27. May 2008 @ 12:47 |
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America won't do anything about climate change, but will do things like this????
Doesnt actually surprise me anymore
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27. May 2008 @ 12:51 |
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LOL THIS IS SO SECRET THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS LOL if it was a secret i doubt that the public would know ... dumbasses
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27. May 2008 @ 12:51 |
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Ok, this is complete BS. There is no way this would ever happen. If They Do I Can See Huge Backlash From People Better Think Twice About It I Am Serious.
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27. May 2008 @ 13:04 |
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Lots of ridiculous laws get passed. I can totally see this passing.
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nobrainer
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27. May 2008 @ 13:34 |
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Originally posted by kevinkor9:
LOL THIS IS SO SECRET THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS LOL if it was a secret i doubt that the public would know ... dumbasses
wikileaks obtained official documents, some government workers actually care about the population getting screwed over by the Media Industry (insert your fave .. AA here).
its a real dozy this one.
http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Proposed_U...greement_(2007)
you know unless you are doing something illegal...... /sarcasm
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27. May 2008 @ 14:30 |
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Scoffers: You want to surrender national sovereignty to the UN, yet you're surprised that this is happening?
Do they not teach cause and effect in schools anymore?
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27. May 2008 @ 15:58 |
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jesus
i almost think it would be better that we all just strip naked and lie down on our backs. it'd be much less painful than this sh*t.
terrible, terrible, terrible. i've been saving some money to get out of the country if things take a turn for the worst, and i'm quite afraid that i may be using that money here real soon. No way am I going to live in a country that will molest every device I own because they know i'm a bloody pirate.
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27. May 2008 @ 18:10 |
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All this means is that we transmit and receive in a highly cloaked and encrypted format, so "It's for my eyes only darling"
"The flimsier the product,the higher the price"
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27. May 2008 @ 18:26 |
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Originally posted by iluvendo:
All this means is that we transmit and receive in a highly cloaked and format, so "It's for my eyes only darling"
no it doesnt, unless you are going to encrypt all your mp3 on your player? but even then they will probably know you are hiding something and confiscate it!
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27. May 2008 @ 18:29 |
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Originally posted by DjDanio:
Originally posted by iluvendo:
All this means is that we transmit and receive in a highly cloaked and format, so "It's for my eyes only darling"
no it doesnt, unless you are going to encrypt all your mp3 on your player? but even then they will probably know you are hiding something and confiscate it!
Once transmitted, we have the unencrypted data
Alos just because it's cloaked and encrypted, it has broken no law. Unless your country can convict on allegation alone, u r safe.
"The flimsier the product,the higher the price"
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27. May 2008 @ 18:44 |
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Wow... And how can they prove that it isn't your own (in the cases of mp3 players and laptops)? Unless its a a cd that hasn't come out yet, there's no actual way to prove it... Its all speculation.
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27. May 2008 @ 18:47 |
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Originally posted by engage16:
Wow... And how can they prove that it isn't your own (in the cases of mp3 players and laptops)? Unless its a a cd that hasn't come out yet, there's no actual way to prove it... Its all speculation.
that's the point you are guilty and have to prove your innocence.
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27. May 2008 @ 19:52 |
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Originally posted by engage16:
Wow... And how can they prove that it isn't your own (in the cases of mp3 players and laptops)? Unless its a a cd that hasn't come out yet, there's no actual way to prove it... Its all speculation.
wow, i didnt think about this yet. this is a really good point. its a shame if this happens. im guessing they would be looking at the file names. groups like to tag there stuff so unless you change the name of the file and description i guess you're busted. this whole thing is really obsurd though and I doubt it will ever get passed. Could you imagine the chaos it would create. I bet people in the range of 15-30 probably have a 50% ownership rate on mp3 players. there would be no way to police this. and the time it would take would be crazy. if you think about it they simply wont have the funds to police this issue. i dont think theres anything to worry about. i could say "well, ive heard of crazier things" but i honestly havent.
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27. May 2008 @ 19:58 |
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Originally posted by engage16:
Wow... And how can they prove that it isn't your own (in the cases of mp3 players and laptops)? Unless its a a cd that hasn't come out yet, there's no actual way to prove it... Quote:
Its all speculation
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The RIAA likes it that way and wants it that way.
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27. May 2008 @ 20:02 |
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This means I'm not bringing my laptop or external hard drive across the border anymore, I have no great desire to give them away.
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27. May 2008 @ 20:19 |
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Welcome to the NWO :(
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27. May 2008 @ 21:38 |
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Why do they really do this? I bet they'd search your laptops for p2p apps, and your mp3 players of unreleased work... but how are boarder gaurds going to know whats unreleased in music and some movies? Totally ridiculous.
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27. May 2008 @ 21:56 |
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can you just imagine this!!!???
Sorry sir, but you have a p2p app, installed in your 3000usd Alienware laptop, so we're going to seize it, i mean come on!! i swear they do this to me and i kill you!! i mean, i for sure would get arrested for fighting to death the security officers
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28. May 2008 @ 12:09 |
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Put all your goodies in "invisible folders". I used to use a program called Magic Folders and it worked great. I don't know if they're still around, but there are plenty of similar programs. The authorities can search and confiscate what they can't find.
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28. May 2008 @ 12:16 |
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Only one thing to do here. If this passes, we all need to band together and stop buying music and movies. For one month. Then two months. Heck, I can go a year without buying music or movies. There are other forms of entertainment. But it has to be a movement by everyone in order to impact the industry. The revolution starts now. You can do without that movie, right? Make a statement!
Nobody does anything now because freedoms have not been taken away. But everyone will be crying when this does pass. Should people just lay down and take it?
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29. May 2008 @ 17:30 |
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The only thing that really shocks me is the possibility of going to the airport and getting my laptop seized due to some warez.
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29. May 2008 @ 22:26 |
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As far as I could tell it sounds like its only for international travel. Not within the country...
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The treaty, as outlined in the leaked document, would mandate authority for customs agents to examine portable devices from laptops to iPods for evidence of either P2P file sharing activity or copied content from media including CDs and DVDs that could constitute copyright infringement. They would then have the ability to seize such property without any judicial oversight, and even levy fines to "offenders."
Ok, this is complete BS. There is no way this would ever happen. If so it's ludacris.
Investigate it
Already agents at US borders can seize laptops without suspicion or warrant
Already their is an act called the IP act which basically let the "authorities" steal your everything if you are caught copyright infringing ( similar to the drug forfeiture laws) This information does not seem at all far fetched
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