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Controversial intellectual property treaty being drafted in secret
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article published on 27 May, 2008
Officials from the United States, European Commission, Japan, and Switzerland are among those secretly working out details for a new anti-piracy treaty to be discussed at this year's G-8 Summit being held in July. A leaked discussion paper for the proposed Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) suggests the adoption of several new legal measures in participating countries that would ... [ read the full article ]
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2. June 2008 @ 20:21 |
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Originally posted by engage16:
As far as I could tell it sounds like its only for international travel. Not within the country...
That seems equally unacceptable to me.
Border searches for drugs or terrorism, yes.
Searches to make Sumner Redstone fatter and richer, HELL NO!
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2. June 2008 @ 21:04 |
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This is YET Another attempt at "CONTROL"
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2. June 2008 @ 21:40 |
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It has a far more sinister overtone of censorship and control. Imagine you are a writer of political reports and news items. You write them on your legal and clean laptop during long flights, in airports and on aircraft. You arrive in some country with your work.. YOUR WORK .. saved in PDF format, and because it doesn't have any source other than your brain and fingers it can and will be seen as IP infringing material unless you have copyrighted it through a publisher the moment it is put in any saved document format. It can be stolen and given to any chosen and "approved" publisher, and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.. because you will have been found guilty without trial of stealing your own work. (did you know it is an offence to refuse to give encryption keys and passwords to any "authorised" investigator, police officer or customs guard on demand? I encrypt all my data, and after 3 wrong password attempts it scrambles the lot. I don't care.. I will give them the wrong ones 3 times and then watch their faces as linux destroys everything for me.)
This can happen now to any content at all, at the whim of some fascist bullyboy ignorant armed border guard. It doesn't matter whether you have bought it, and even have the original paid for copy somewhere in your luggage.. It's organised theft, and a way to only allow any output from "approved" sources.. whether that be music, text, video or speech.
Big Brother will approve everything, or will take it from you for their own satisfaction. Welcome to 1984. I tried to warn you about what was going on 5 years ago, but I was called paranoid!
I'm now firmly in the camp of the enemies of the rich and so called leaders.. burn, bomb and attack at every turn.. the choice is plain.. go down fighting or accept the grey stagnant future we have allowed them to create.
BTW.. I haven't bought a film or cd in years, and I'm not starting now. If we could just convince the sheep across the world to do the same, and to stop downloading the latest rubbish.. just for a month would do, it would just about silence these idiots. Only by making a firm stand with resolve will we get anywhere now.
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2. June 2008 @ 22:30 |
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i dont know the answer to this quagmire, but varnull im not exactly following the journalist who doesent immediately copyright his own work thing...
has anyone here considered making their own music? reason is a great little scratchpad for music production
or anyone interested can get the anticon records sampler which has the song "divine disappointment" by alias on ... indy is the answer, son! until of course indy becomes big name then you start all over again....ya get me?
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5. June 2008 @ 17:24 |
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Originally posted by varnull:
demand? I encrypt all my data, and after 3 wrong password attempts it scrambles the lot. I don't care.. I will give them the wrong ones 3 times and then watch their faces as linux destroys everything for me.)
Excellent idea, varnull, but there's a caveat on encryption. It's illegal to transport encryption technology to many countries, so even having (or having had, witnessed by the cops) encrypted files is enough to prosecute you. This was well established during the Bill Clinton-era Clipper chip/NSA/Echelon unconstitutional power grab. Keys or files are enough to get you arrested, even if the encryption technolgy is INSIDE the software you're transporting.
The bottom line is, if you're going to travel outside the country, to a country that doesn't have a real, written constitution like ours, or a bill of rights, (a description that covers even the UK) leave your stuff at home. You're guilty until proven innocent and de facto seizures are the norm. They like it, they take it. They know you're not going to come back to fight it in court.
It's your word against theirs. Always.
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5. June 2008 @ 17:27 |
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Originally posted by lubricant:
i dont know the answer to this quagmire
The answer to Quagmires is "Giggety-giggety-goo."
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5. June 2008 @ 17:35 |
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Originally posted by dude845:
Why do they really do this? I bet they'd search your laptops for p2p apps, and your mp3 players of unreleased work... but how are boarder gaurds going to know whats unreleased in music and some movies? Totally ridiculous.
If they right-click on a file and don't see "Protected" you're probably off to the hoosegow. That's how stupid and uninformed the people behind these laws are. They're going on the theory that the only way you'd have a movie on your machine at all is because you either bought it and it would have their lovely DRM, or if it's unreleased, you're guilty. If you say it's a screener, they probably take your name and verify you were on the prescreening list, comparing it to the striped or blanking interval key number.
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9. June 2008 @ 03:22 |
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and things just keep getting worse for us consumers, not that we had to try hard to guess who was actually behind this anti consumer proposal or anything!!!
Secret super-copyright treaty MEMO leaked Originally posted by hyper:
Wikileaks has the full text of a memo concerning the dread Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, a draft treaty that does away with those pesky public trade-negotiations at the United Nations (with participation from citizens' groups and public interest groups) in favor of secret, closed-door meetings where entertainment industry giants get to give marching orders to governments in private.
It's some pretty crazy reading -- among other things, ACTA will outlaw P2P (even when used to share works that are legally available, like my books), and crack down on things like region-free DVD players. All of this is taking place out of the public eye, presumably with the intention of presenting it as a fait accompli just as the ink is drying on the treaty.
Honestly, it's becoming clearer and clearer that the entertainment industry is an existential threat to the idea of free speech, open tools, and an open communications network.
Who is really behind ACTA? Follow the money:
Rep. Howard Berman (D-CA)[4]
Top four campaign contributions for 2006:
Time Warner $21,000
News Corp $15,000
Sony Corp of America $14,000
Walt Disney Co $13,550
Top two Industries:
TV/Movies/Music $181,050
Lawyers/Law Firms $114,200
Other politicians listed also show significant contributions from IP industries.
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