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MPAA goes after Newzbin
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article published on 29 May, 2008
The premier Usenet indexing site Newzbin has announced that it is now under attack from the MPAA and it seems the the service will either have to change significantly or face a shutdown.
Newzbin is the creator of the NZB format, generally considered to be Usenet's equivalent of a .torrent file. Usenet was generally considered to be complicated to use before the format emerged.
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domie
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29. May 2008 @ 18:43 |
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I think a lot of sites and commentators need to take a close look at the current UK laws because depending on your point of view - Newzbin etc does NOT comply with them.
The copyright, designs and patents act 1988 was recently updated although little press attention has been paid to it -
The crucial wording is
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Under section 107(2) a person commits an offence who -
(a) makes an article specially designed or adapted for making copies of a particular copyright work,
Now the question is - what exactly is an "article" ? You can see how this could open a can of worms in a court case but also allows UK authorities to begin a prosecution claiming that an NZB file is an article designed for making copies of copyrighted work.
Of course i'm not in favour of it but you can see how they can try and persuade a court to view it in that light and the way the UK justice system works - would anyone owning such a site want to try their luck in court ? As the owner of an ed2k site living in the UK who was busted under this law last year - I certainly didn't feel like taking the risk.
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Footie979
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29. May 2008 @ 19:01 |
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Any good similar alternatives to Newzbin? I wasn't a customer, but I browsed. Now you can't even browse listings for free.
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29. May 2008 @ 22:19 |
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Originally posted by Footie979:
Any good similar alternatives to Newzbin? I wasn't a customer, but I browsed. Now you can't even browse listings for free.
Just google .nzb and I am sure you will find many.
Geez the MPAA just don't stop do they.
Curious to see how that all ends up.
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30. May 2008 @ 02:54 |
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di di di dii dii di dii dii di di........
ticker paper rolls out of the machine and reads:
News flash Everyone in the world who uses a toilet receives letter from mpaa telling them to cease and desist. Claims made that everyone is infringing upon what their clients have benn producing for some years now.
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30. May 2008 @ 04:04 |
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USENET is not FREE. It is a money making venture, for those who want to profit, from allowing other people to download somebody elses' copyrighted music and videos. So bust them for that, for all I care. Those kind of scumbags are what really pizzes off the rock stars...
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30. May 2008 @ 05:48 |
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Where do you think all the top torrent sites get 99% of there things from? Hmmmm newsgroups
That will definitely hinder the chain of command for awhile
No time for Leap frog!!!
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varnull
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30. May 2008 @ 06:21 |
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Damn.. looks like it's back to metasploit and spam emails to distribute malware again. Shame.. we were getting 20,000 keylogger backdoors installed every day.
Anyway.. it's about time these profiteering scumbags got taken down. I remember when the newsnet was free.
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hape
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30. May 2008 @ 08:08 |
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Originally posted by varnull:
I remember when the newsnet was free.
I think then newsnet wasn't VERY fast and had 200 days retention, like now does.
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30. May 2008 @ 11:58 |
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Have they annexed the Sudetenland yet?
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varnull
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30. May 2008 @ 12:01 |
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Do you mean back in the free days... when the best internet people had was 16k analog dialup? Times have changed, and last week we connected a wireless hacked undernet all the way from Liverpool to Newcastle with speeds approaching 8Mbps totally free and with permission from around 10% of the connections.. the days of the isp and government spying and control are coming to an end!!
These newsgroups are the haunts of the proper criminals... people who distribute the kinds of things you deserve to be jailed for in some cases... and the people charging for access to what the users provide are no different... The only questions raised really are the same ones the isp's are trying to hide behind.. NET NEUTRALITY!.. so an anti/takedown result will be bad for everybody.
MPAA territory is everywhere EXCEPT ... Iran, North Korea, Cuba, Italy (??) Indonesia, Russia and Antigua (and my house of course.. a Welsh enclave in a sea of ignorant northerners.. 900 years and still not forgotten that military occupation.. take note bush and brown!!)..there are other undecideds.. burundi, uganda, somalia, liberia spring to mind.. even China surrendered when pushed... damn.. don't you just wish the japs had succeeded with those small hot air balloon bombs?? We wouldn't have to put up with all this hollywood tripe and could enjoy our tentacle porn in peace, with higher production values.. .
One thing to remember.. the yanks haven't got a very good track record of winning wars on their own.. I can't think of one offhand that they won without outside help (apart from the war of independence... and we didn't want them anyway.. whining a$$hats.. didn't the French help out with that??) So as soon as their economy collapses completely (3 years at most) we will be able to get on with building a better world... just so long as we are prepared to exterminate all the usa fanboys who call themselves our leaders.
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30. May 2008 @ 12:22 |
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If the MPAA doesn't stop this I think someone out there is gonna go on a shooting spree, taking out Glickman and other MPAA nazis. Stupid terrorists, where are they when you need them?
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varnull
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30. May 2008 @ 12:24 |
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Plotting the next big "outrage" with the US arms manufacturers.
edit removed the ?.. it's a statement not a question ;)
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30. May 2008 @ 12:40 |
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Originally posted by Blackjax:
di di di dii dii di dii dii di di........
ticker paper rolls out of the machine and reads:
News flash Everyone in the world who uses a toilet receives letter from mpaa telling them to cease and desist. Claims made that everyone is infringing upon what their clients have benn producing for some years now.
ROFL!
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30. May 2008 @ 12:47 |
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there is a diffrance here people forget USENET and newsgroups are 2 different things, sure USENET started out as a normal newsgroup but moved to a subscription based service to meet demand and decided to go full tilt into proffering like some private trackers, it is a antaquited business mode and it dose need to be dealt with because trackers generally don't distro kiddy porn and what not.... hell I stoped using newgroups for hentai because of the Gdamn kiddyporn or jsut mass spam porn.....
I found a nice lil forum for hentai and go there once in a blue moon for a fix..... and yes I am just crazy enough to hate normal porn :P
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varnull
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30. May 2008 @ 14:07 |
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hey Zippy... so the name "wurmknight" means something to you as well ;)
/me says nothing about javdownloads.com .. hehehehehehe that must be worth a couple of days ;) lets see...
meanwhile... from a basement somewhere in Geneva.. who the hell needs newsgroups
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30. May 2008 @ 14:15 |
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Originally posted by varnull:
hey Zippy... so the name "wurmknight" means something to you as well ;)
/me says nothing about javdownloads.com .. hehehehehehe that must be worth a couple of days ;) lets see...
meanwhile... from a basement somewhere in Geneva.. who the hell needs newsgroups
Either you are giving me a pet name,saying you were looking for hentai or.... :P
*looks at link*
Mmm not to bad, sexy posing beats porn EVERY TIME =^0^=
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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varnull
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30. May 2008 @ 15:25 |
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It does it does ;)
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30. May 2008 @ 15:28 |
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Originally posted by varnull:
It does it does ;)
yay*POUNCE* ^^
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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30. May 2008 @ 23:55 |
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i am a member of newzbin, and i think it is bs. if you go there no one does anything wrong. nothing piracy related is talked about or anything. it is just an indexing site guys come on! give me a break! they arnt providing the files. they are just a secetary to organize them! the mpaa can kiss my a$$.
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paravis
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31. May 2008 @ 15:58 |
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Donnie: In that case, the the makers of cdrom drives, google (HUGE OFFENDER), printers, Microsoft, etc etc
that is.. if you think Newzbin falls into that. Which they obviously DO NOT.
I don't know if people realize this, but there are items on usenet / newsgroups that are freely available to the public. Not only that, almost every single ISP (at least here in the US) gives customers free access to newsgroups, both binary and text.
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paravis
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31. May 2008 @ 16:09 |
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Originally posted by JOHNSTARR:
Where do you think all the top torrent sites get 99% of there things from? Hmmmm newsgroups
That will definitely hinder the chain of command for awhile
Nope. That's not true. Torrents have far more data than newsgroups do, so there is a great deal of material that is not coming from usenet originally. I'd say the 1st place stuff like this is coming from, is a purchase or a leak from movie studios / record companies (yes, their employees FUEL ADVANCE RELEASE PIRACY), then FTP, then IRC bots, then Torrents and perhaps newsgroups.
And just FYI, newzbin .com is one of hundreds of sites that index newsgroups and allow searching (google being one of those). They are NOT newsgroups. So taking down newzbin, will not affect newsgroups in any way.
Also, usenet is maintained by thousands of Internet Service Providers. Is the MPAA going to sue the internet? That's what the end result they are going for based on what they're doing.
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31. May 2008 @ 21:58 |
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Sorry, but there are so many historical inaccuracies in this post, it would take too long to correct them.
And I take it you're not the same varnull who said, "Which is why I either pirate everything...?"
Originally posted by varnull:
These newsgroups are the haunts of the proper criminals... people who distribute the kinds of things you deserve to be jailed for in some cases... and the people charging for access to what the users provide are no different... The only questions raised really are the same ones the isp's are trying to hide behind.. NET NEUTRALITY!.. so an anti/takedown result will be bad for everybody.
MPAA territory is everywhere EXCEPT ... Iran, North Korea, Cuba, Italy (??) Indonesia, Russia and Antigua (and my house of course.. a Welsh enclave in a sea of ignorant northerners.. 900 years and still not forgotten that military occupation.. take note bush and brown!!)..there are other undecideds.. burundi, uganda, somalia, liberia spring to mind.. even China surrendered when pushed... damn.. don't you just wish the japs had succeeded with those small hot air balloon bombs?? We wouldn't have to put up with all this hollywood tripe and could enjoy our tentacle porn in peace, with higher production values.. .
One thing to remember.. the yanks haven't got a very good track record of winning wars on their own.. I can't think of one offhand that they won without outside help (apart from the war of independence... and we didn't want them anyway.. whining a$$hats.. didn't the French help out with that??) So as soon as their economy collapses completely (3 years at most) we will be able to get on with building a better world... just so long as we are prepared to exterminate all the usa fanboys who call themselves our leaders.
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3. June 2008 @ 08:47 |
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smokyrain, why should they stop? Media sharing is killing the music industry. Granted, they started a war they can not win. They could have embrased the new technology and made a profit selling good music at a good price. Now the genie is out of the bottle and has been growing for many years and is too big to go away now and is still growing all the time. Much of their attacks have been mean spirited. They are losing support in many areas.
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3. June 2008 @ 08:52 |
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Originally posted by Mez:
smokyrain, why should they stop? Media sharing is killing the music industry. Granted, they started a war they can not win. They could have embrased the new technology and made a profit selling good music at a good price. Now the genie is out of the bottle and has been growing for many years and is too big to go away now and is still growing all the time. Much of their attacks have been mean spirited. They are losing support in many areas.
shearing is killing NOTHING much less harming it to the point of near death, there own poor business practices are doing far more damage than anything else and this a media wide issue, you are never going to sell to people who do not want to deal with retail and its loathsome aspects, altho you are goign to pick up larger numbers of people just downloading because its there they are still full blown consumers.
the media industry is a mess they need to overhaul the way they do business treating the consumer like children and thieves is no the way to do it.
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Mez
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5. June 2008 @ 08:48 |
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I don't know, ZippyDSM, I think even a mild abuser set up for file sharing who used to buy 5-10 CDs a year will shop first on the file share and down load it when a new album is released from their favorite artist. Not only do they save money but that save time as well. Every one knows losing sales is bad for buisiness.
I do agree starting a war with their customers was not a smart move. I believe they distroyed the music industry. If the industry was strong they would not have to rely on selling 20 - 30 year old tunes to stay afloat. I believe they are now distroying the sale of all music in such a way it will never come back. I will not buy new music and will resist ever buying anything from them again. This is because I loath them and want them to crumble to dust! I bet I am not the only one that feels this way. I bet there are millions of would be customers that feel this way. Don't you think this is a huge problem for them? I do buy used CDs and vinyl. I don't mind spending money. I just mind giving THEM any money. I even buy lossless and high quality lossy formats on the web. THEY do not sell high quality music on the web so I know THEY are not getting any of that money.
My questions to you are:
1) Don't you think many people shop music sharing before they descide to go to a store to buy a music CD?
2) If many people opt to borrow the music instead of buying music won't that effect their business?
I think it will eventually kill that business in the end. I think that even if they agree to sell HiFi music at a fair price that will not attract enough cash to keep them afloat.
What you you think ZippDSM?
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