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MPAA goes after Newzbin
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article published on 29 May, 2008
The premier Usenet indexing site Newzbin has announced that it is now under attack from the MPAA and it seems the the service will either have to change significantly or face a shutdown.
Newzbin is the creator of the NZB format, generally considered to be Usenet's equivalent of a .torrent file. Usenet was generally considered to be complicated to use before the format emerged.
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29. October 2008 @ 12:11 |
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THis again is old skool with this Grinch Institution. Because they have the funds and support of many corporate idiots, they will continue to suffocate P2P, Torrent, ...Usenet...etc. I use Usenet, I pay a cheap fee and enjoy the latest release's. I luve it and it rocks. Heck I even use Torrent from time to time and have a rapidshare account for smaller things. I still support and buy my games from time to time. As for music it's just a habit that was developed back then in 98' or so. WHen peeps found ways to post and we could get it for free. It made complete sense, when say The Eagles cd came out for $18.00 retail and I only cared for 1 or 2 songs. WHo was ripping who off...for the longest????? The internet Pirates found a way to counter balance that situation. Thats where we still stand today. I worked at Staples and I remember selling Windoz XP retail ed for $300.00 bucks....damn. Again who is ripping who..???
XP is great, no doubt but c'mon make the price approachable.
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29. October 2008 @ 12:41 |
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Originally posted by Mez:
I don't know, ZippyDSM, I think even a mild abuser set up for file sharing who used to buy 5-10 CDs a year will shop first on the file share and down load it when a new album is released from their favorite artist. Not only do they save money but that save time as well. Every one knows losing sales is bad for buisiness.
I do agree starting a war with their customers was not a smart move. I believe they distroyed the music industry. If the industry was strong they would not have to rely on selling 20 - 30 year old tunes to stay afloat. I believe they are now distroying the sale of all music in such a way it will never come back. I will not buy new music and will resist ever buying anything from them again. This is because I loath them and want them to crumble to dust! I bet I am not the only one that feels this way. I bet there are millions of would be customers that feel this way. Don't you think this is a huge problem for them? I do buy used CDs and vinyl. I don't mind spending money. I just mind giving THEM any money. I even buy lossless and high quality lossy formats on the web. THEY do not sell high quality music on the web so I know THEY are not getting any of that money.
My questions to you are:
1) Don't you think many people shop music sharing before they descide to go to a store to buy a music CD?
2) If many people opt to borrow the music instead of buying music won't that effect their business?
I think it will eventually kill that business in the end. I think that even if they agree to sell HiFi music at a fair price that will not attract enough cash to keep them afloat.
What you you think ZippDSM?
ACK!! jsut saw this >>
Depends on the quality of the music and price, if they sell CDs at a price range of 6-10$ and no more than that the music industry would be making a nice profit still but they want to sell them for twice as much and the stores almost have to tact on 1-4$ damning the whole process.
If you sold it cheap to where the stores could make a small profit off sells to stay in business the gears of business are greased you bloat the price you cause stagnation and decay because nothing can move.
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29. October 2008 @ 14:04 |
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I am embarrassed to say I bought a few CDs this month in that price range. Lets keep that between you and me!
Price IS everything. I am cheap as opposed to strapped for money. I will not think to buy something I want at the right price. That goes for most anything under a grand, well maybe only $500. If I want it and I figure I will not see it at that price for a long time, I reach for my wallet in a reflex action.
What makes my blood boil is seeing a real old album I bought for $2.50 sell for 10 times that now. We know the artist made a onetime agreement back then. The artist?s royalties are fixed. The industry probably only made .25 cents on that album then. Why do they need to make $10 now? They have gotten used to doubling the price as the media got cheaper to produce. When they used to be happy with 10% now they want 90% of the sale price of the low fidelity DRMed tune.
STD retail mark up is over 50%. They are hoping for a 50% profit over the life of the product. That is where all the costs are. I do not blame retail. I think they need to make that much if they are to stay alive. It probably costs $.25 to make the CD and $1 by the time you pay management, etc. The music industry gets the rest for the least investemnt.
It is so refreshing to chat with a sentient being! I actually lost it the other day when a clueless bozo tried to give me some tech advice in a condescending tone. I freely admit not being the most technical guy in AD and not the sharpest axe in the shed but I am pretty technical and pretty smart even for AD. I just went ballistic. It was obvious to me the guy did not fully understand the discussion and did not like my position. He figured he would take a bite out of old Mez. I enjoy a difference of an opinion but I don?t like being spoken down to by a dope. I don?t even mind much getting blasted as long as it is logical or I was talking junk. If I was talking junk, I feel the need to apologize. That keeps me from running at the mouth too much.
Have a good one!
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29. October 2008 @ 14:14 |
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Originally posted by Mez:
I am embarrassed to say I bought a few CDs this month in that price range. Lets keep that between you and me!
Price IS everything. I am cheap as opposed to strapped for money. I will not think to buy something I want at the right price. That goes for most anything under a grand, well maybe only $500. If I want it and I figure I will not see it at that price for a long time, I reach for my wallet in a reflex action.
What makes my blood boil is seeing a real old album I bought for $2.50 sell for 10 times that now. We know the artist made a onetime agreement back then. The artist?s royalties are fixed. The industry probably only made .25 cents on that album then. Why do they need to make $10 now? They have gotten used to doubling the price as the media got cheaper to produce. When they used to be happy with 10% now they want 90% of the sale price of the low fidelity DRMed tune.
STD retail mark up is over 50%. They are hoping for a 50% profit over the life of the product. That is where all the costs are. I do not blame retail. I think they need to make that much if they are to stay alive. It probably costs $.25 to make the CD and $1 by the time you pay management, etc. The music industry gets the rest for the least investemnt.
It is so refreshing to chat with a sentient being! I actually lost it the other day when a clueless bozo tried to give me some tech advice in a condescending tone. I freely admit not being the most technical guy in AD and not the sharpest axe in the shed but I am pretty technical and pretty smart even for AD. I just went ballistic. It was obvious to me the guy did not fully understand the discussion and did not like my position. He figured he would take a bite out of old Mez. I enjoy a difference of an opinion but I don?t like being spoken down to by a dope. I don?t even mind much getting blasted as long as it is logical or I was talking junk. If I was talking junk, I feel the need to apologize. That keeps me from running at the mouth too much.
Have a good one!
The whole world is about artificial profit, its not just the media industry look at the finical industry trying to inflate the worth of property and stock its caused a trillion dollar collapse world wide and everyone keeps trying to put the Gdamn thing on life support instead of letting the bad parts fall off and saving what can be saved. I still think giving the money tot eh populace in 50-200ish K checks would have been better since most people could buy their way out letting business reorganize to handle that influx of money but know lets bailout the crooks that raped the system....
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29. October 2008 @ 17:09 |
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I love usenet. I do not use newzbin though. Better than downloading on torrents, they can max out my speed whereas a torrent has never done that.
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30. October 2008 @ 09:18 |
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I was and still am big on the bail out done smart. However, because the bankers even out spent the anti-piracy groups in supporting the elected officials. The bail out was a boon doggle only made to rape the US. They should only pay 50 cents on the dollar or less. I agree the money should have been a second loan to the homeowners but 40 cents on the dollar would show a profit eventually.
The world is ruled by the worst kind of whores these days. When things are this croupt we are in danger of something really bad happening. I was talking to a brother-in-law's parents. They had been old Republicans. Now they are just white haired radicals. They claimed things are so bad only a violent march on DC could save the country. One thing is clear for 10 grand our elected official will do anything.
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30. October 2008 @ 13:42 |
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Originally posted by Mez:
I was and still am big on the bail out done smart. However, because the bankers even out spent the anti-piracy groups in supporting the elected officials. The bail out was a boon doggle only made to rape the US. They should only pay 50 cents on the dollar or less. I agree the money should have been a second loan to the homeowners but 40 cents on the dollar would show a profit eventually.
The world is ruled by the worst kind of whores these days. When things are this croupt we are in danger of something really bad happening. I was talking to a brother-in-law's parents. They had been old Republicans. Now they are just white haired radicals. They claimed things are so bad only a violent march on DC could save the country. One thing is clear for 10 grand our elected official will do anything.
The bailout might have worked if we had something called oversight in government/business but because we lack it trickle down economics in any form is a joke because they think that the rich will spend money within the US just because they feel like it.... no the rich are rich because they spend money at a minimum highly efficiently they are not going to waste money in the US if it dose not return a ton of investment.
So in fact if you want smaller regulation you'll have to focus on trickle up models putting money into the hands of the masses so that money will trickle up pooling and bringing in investors to localities since the rich are smart people and like making money they will gravitate to where profit can be made.
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31. October 2008 @ 07:52 |
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I am don't think the problem is trickle up or trickle down. I don't care if the persons making over 200,000 get taxed harder but I am sure that will not help much. I think we have allowed way too many blood suckers sucking out the life forces of the echonomy. That is the real problem. 2 years ago both P hopefuls voted to take away 200,000 more peofessional jobs from Americans. They are only worried about the voters on an election year. After that it is business as usual. Screw the US as hard as you can, for money. The real problem with having aliens do our work is a good bit of their wages go over seas to stay.
We buy our goods over seas, our companies do the manufactoring over seas. Then they are surprized when those countries start producing those goods on there own.
Even tech support is now overseas.
Our transportation is 20% less efficient now than in the Carter era. Yet the person in the street thinks the oil shortage is contrived.
With all this money leaving the US how can our echonomy be healthy?
Who is going to buy all those Chinese goods when we are all out of work?
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31. October 2008 @ 08:19 |
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Originally posted by Mez:
I am don't think the problem is trickle up or trickle down. I don't care if the persons making over 200,000 get taxed harder but I am sure that will not help much. I think we have allowed way too many blood suckers sucking out the life forces of the echonomy. That is the real problem. 2 years ago both P hopefuls voted to take away 200,000 more peofessional jobs from Americans. They are only worried about the voters on an election year. After that it is business as usual. Screw the US as hard as you can, for money. The real problem with having aliens do our work is a good bit of their wages go over seas to stay.
We buy our goods over seas, our companies do the manufactoring over seas. Then they are surprized when those countries start producing those goods on there own.
Even tech support is now overseas.
Our transportation is 20% less efficient now than in the Carter era. Yet the person in the street thinks the oil shortage is contrived.
With all this money leaving the US how can our echonomy be healthy?
Who is going to buy all those Chinese goods when we are all out of work?
Mind you I am talking broader perspective on what Gov and its crooks do to focus well...everything the reapers/neo cons(fake conservatives) focus solely on giving as much as they can think of to the higher end of spectrum, of course lets face it all the crooks in gov give as much as they can to their masters and buds.
Let me try and save my train of thought "current" criminals...er...politics/politicians lean to give money without restriction to the upper half of society as means to initiate greasing in random sectors the trouble is with no rules they go and *bleep* off shore and grease their own interests that do nothing for the nation. If you want to "grease" with a minimum of management focus on the 40% thats in the middle of society, they buy the most they work the most they as a whole will pay the most.
I'll agree the rich might pay to much in tax and that corporations are taxed badly, what we need is a fair tax system that bases taxes on what you buy reducing paper work to people that generate profit.
IE you rent land/property 20% of that is taxable, you buy it 20% of it is taxable you bring in X amount 20$ of that is taxable no more loop holes no more refunds you reduce the size of the IRS so much between it and and taxing profit you get enough money to screw up things as much as you ever have....
The US is *bleep* because there is no movement to create a middle class job base since they let manufacturing run out of the basement untrained...when gov decided to let profit in a unprotected sudo free market wank off as much as it could it went blind and we have lost our jobs base and are on life support I am surprised we can wage a conflict of any kind..but then again we are running on credit....
Another off shoot if you will of blind for profit *bleep* is the uncompherisable sudo free market that has created a artificial finical industry bubble the size of the industry itself, with the rush to make money from nothing(from stocks and what not) with lil rule or reason forces government to bail out the system because they hit the artificial ceiling and need it raised.... its insanity...
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31. October 2008 @ 10:30 |
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Even though we agree about 90% lets focus on the 10%.
I am sure extra taxation will not help. Even smart taxation removes money from our dying echonomy. If you tax business more business will become more unprofitable. You might be able to tax the very rich more. They inverst that money. I am not sure how killing the stock market will efect our echonomy. I do know if you turn the IRAs and 401Ks into sht the US will not be able to help anyone with retirement. Unfortunatly there are not all that many filthy rich persons. You will not get much money unless you tax the hell out of them. Then they will change citizinship. They can still live here. They will just pay their taxes to some other country. That happens all the time.
There might be some huge problems with more taxation than what we are already trying to do. What that Bozo Obama doesn't know is there already is a millionares tax from the Regan era that cuts in at about 200K. If you hit that level you can't deduct anything not even taxes. Each year the bottom limit dropps. No one ever changed the law it will probably hit 130 next year. The bigger bozo never called him out on that one. This year the millionare tax was supposed to drop down to 140K this year but they put it off for this year. It is still around 200K. In my county where a new town house runs 300K the middle class averages at 100K. You can't live in my county and make 50K. Wet backs live in house where a family lives in a room. The apt is county paid. You need to be making near 100K to live in apt if you have some kids. You either have to be on welfware or be making at least 70K just to exist. People forget some areas are real expensive just to live. Unfortunatly I live in the top 1% most expensive counties in the US.
Energy costs are killing me. I have been spending money re-tooling the house after I got a K electric bill for a month. We have a heat pump. They get expensive when the temp gets below 30.
I had an interesting talk with my son a while back which sums up our echnonmic problems. I explaineded I made $5 an hour when I was old enough to drive. That was equivelent to $10/hr now. He said I was full of it. That couldn't be right. Gas was $.3/gal everything else was way cheap. I explained that WAS the problem. Wages have gone up way slower than expensis. No one has money to spend on all the extras. We still spend but more and more has to be reserved to necessities.
A movement to create middle class jobs is pointless unless they were making necessities or something so wonderful people will be willing to give up necessities to buy it. The third world will not buy our goods even if they are great. Creating new energy could employ some but because we expect so much from our employers manpower is too expensive. Nationalize health care would solve that problem. However, how will we pay for it?
The government as worked hard to stop our wages from keeping up with inflation. If a sector shows improvements in wages the government opens the flood gates to let more aliens work in that market. The crooks claim that keeps us competive. Maybe they are right. It is probably better to work for less than not at all.
This is the real problem. The US has taken out a second mortgage because we lost our good paying job and we do not want to give up our life style. Now our house is worth less and we still have no good job prospects so the are looking to borrow more so we can live even better. At least we want people who do not make enough to afford a descent life style get one anyway. That is is more fair in a sence but it will also mean those that were barly making it will not when the sht hits the fan. That will happen within the next 4 years. All the money money borrowed will make the dollar less valuable. They will need to raise interest rates to feed the loans. That will be when the sh1t hits the fan!! We will be in a world of hurt. The loans will not be affordable so employment will suffer. We will be back in double digit unempoyment and inflation at the same time. They last time that happend we were all fat and happy. We just needed to tighten out belts. Now we hocked our belts to pay for a HD TV.
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