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Microsoft again denies Blu-ray Xbox 360 rumors, Zune Touch coming?
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article published on 9 June, 2008
Robbie Bach, Microsoft's president for entertainment and devices has once again denied the rumors that have flared up on the internet that a Blu-ray enabled Xbox 360 or a Zune mobile phone is coming soon, or at all.
When asked if a Zune phone was coming to rival Apple's iPhone, Bach said "there are plenty of Windows Mobile products on the market right now and that Microsoft doesn't have ... [ read the full article ]
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bdoggie08
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9. June 2008 @ 13:29 |
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M$ is smart to stay away from Blu Ray, the PS3 is the one for that, and it needs to stay that way. Sony would be stupid to sell out to M$, bein since M$ has no HD format now, except "downloaded content"...with no HD space on the 360...its gunna be weird to see what move they make now for the future. The 360 will die out slowly, and the PS3 will appeal to gamers soon, since GOW3, MGS4, Socom 4, and other great Blu Ray exclusive games will be coming soon. I will say I hated GH3 for the PS3, those stupid dongles suck, what happened to Blue-tooth Sony? the 360 is so much easier...
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SProdigy
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9. June 2008 @ 14:13 |
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There's more to HD than just Blu-Ray, and at the moment, I am happy with my DirecTV and getting amazing DVD deals every week, which I can upconvert. This week I picked up all SIX Rocky movies for $20 at Target. They're in widescreen and have 5.1 surround sound. I could also buy all four Rambos in a set this week for $30, the same shelf price for the new Rambo on Blu-Ray.
If the DVD and Blu-Ray price trends continue, I'm more than content getting the DVD version to own, and waiting for the movie to pop up on HBO HD to catch a rerun (or first run depending on what crap Hollywood is trying to sell me! LOL)
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9. June 2008 @ 14:17 |
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Rumor's are called Rumor's for a reason. people get in major hype over some rumor.
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plazma247
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9. June 2008 @ 15:07 |
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They give the reasoning for this that they want to focus on downloaded hd material as they see this of the future.
This is despite in 2006 and 2007 they said they would support a blueray drive if hd-dvd failed and there was consumer demand :
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/12/xbox_360_blu-ray/
The consumer demand is now there, but they either wont do it or cant as sony is maybe unwilling to allow licencing of the blueray technology... who knows.
It appears they did approach sony for the technology as recently as march:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/ca6017de-eba6-11...&nclick_check=1
which indicates its more likely sony declined and sent them packing.
Then they were the roumours that liteon were going to make the drive from them ... possibly they saw this as a way to get around sony saying no .. then they denied that liteone would be producing them any drives... either it was all smoke or maybe sony then pulled the carpet again.
Either way the 360 being a system that means you have to download it all and should the drive fail thats it all gone... maybe they see a future of complete pay for view or subscription packages to downloaded content... either way i know where a disk is and i can take it to another player and watch it there.. if you ask me they are either in a corner and trying to spin whats a bad thing or they are 2 short sighted to see that everyone apart for a select few who have been inserting betamax, vhs and dvds into players are more likely to follow the trend of a phsical item.. its not the same when at xmas you get a download for a film on xbox live.. lol you see what i mean.
The other flipside of a lack of drive is games can only store 8gb on a dual layer disk which means its not going to be possible to create as much content, be that fewer texturs, maps, levels, audio, what ever..
Its a shame they wont or cant give the users the option as they promissed.
As far as the zune mobile goes surly this will just be a HTC device running wm7
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9. June 2008 @ 15:12 |
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Knock Apple as much as you want...it seems to me that most of the tech gadgets coming to the market now are just playing catch up or just plain biting Apples style.
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SProdigy
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9. June 2008 @ 16:07 |
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Originally posted by o0cynix0o:
Knock Apple as much as you want...it seems to me that most of the tech gadgets coming to the market now are just playing catch up or just plain biting Apples style.
Very true.
Also, say what you want, but there is NOT a definite need to go to Blu-Ray media to play games. If forced, the devs will have to compress and trim where necessary. They have definitely had the leisure of bloating discs with unrefined code, and large audio/video files for awhile now.
Live and WiiWare/VC games show how much "game" can fit into 50-256mb of space. Only one game for the Wii is larger than a single DVD disc, plus some space on each disc is reserved for copy protection crap as usual.
My point being, if a game like GTA, with all of its radio stations, sound bites, cut scenes and extras can fit on a DVD9, then the industry does not "need" more than 8.5gb at this time. (Though I would like to see if MSG4 actually uses BD space wisely, or if it's just a graphical upgrade over previous versions.)
Anyhow, I wonder if MS's announcement will be an early release date for the new Windows they are working on? If so, that won't be monumental news, unless they have a great upgrade price plan for all of the consumers suffering through Vista at the moment.
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bdoggie08
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9. June 2008 @ 16:43 |
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You need to remember that GTA4 took 3 years to make, thats when the 360 had "great" graphics, and so 3 years later, games look so much better than what they did 3 years ago, thus Blu ray will evolve as the next HD format for developers, just like it was from CD to DVD with the PS1(cd) to PS2(dvd) and so forth. the xbox(dvd) to 360(dvd9), so it's only a matter of time that games will step up, and Blu ray will prove that true. MGS4 is proof enough. just wait.
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9. June 2008 @ 19:31 |
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Blu-ray adoption outpaces DVD
Singulus has revealed that consumers are adopting Blu-ray faster than they did DVD, with the company having received 21 orders for Blu-ray dual-layer machines in the first quarter.
The information was revealed to shareholders at the technology manufacturer's Annual General Meeting of the Singulus Technologies in Frankfurt and directly contradicted claims by Microsoft's Robbie Bach that consumers were hesitant to upgrade to Blu-ray.
"This means that the orders for Blu-ray in the first year of the dual layer technology already by far exceeded the volume at the start of the DVD eleven years ago with 17 machines," said Stefan A Baustert, CEO of Singulus.
Blu-ray became the standard high definition format after Toshiba's decision to end its HD DVD business earlier this year. The announcement by Toshiba was then followed by Microsoft's decision to end production of the HD DVD player for Xbox 360.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/bl...on-outpaces-dvd
Like it or not Blu-Ray going to be the next media for the future either upgrade or be left behind........
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milkyoreo
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9. June 2008 @ 22:35 |
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whats it been, 3 times they denied the blu ray player? I saw myself on a site that had as one of the headlines "Xbox 360 confirms Blu Ray Player" or something like that... its not gonna happen, so people should just stop hopping...
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9. June 2008 @ 22:59 |
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Yes blu-ray is here to stay, it is the new format after all,
You cant compare DvD to Blu-ray, more storage = better game, sure you could trim stuff out of dvd, so why your at it trim the price too, im only getting half a product why should i give you full price.
Trimming content is bad business, its like Time warner trimming your download limit to 40 gig cap, and then charging you more for stuff that should have been there(xbox-market place).
it makes sense what there trying to do, buy a game go home put game in console. oopse there's a 1.2 gig file that needs downloading to play this game.
And i would wish people would stop saying Sony's Blu-ray, its not sony's, Sony was the bank behind this feat. no more than MS was to hd-dvd.
im not dissing MS in the least they will come up with something.
MS has always played the lets be the first to release, then fix it type of people, always.
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9. June 2008 @ 23:14 |
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If they did release an XBox with a blue ray drive how would all the owners of the regular DVD version of the console play the new games? It doesn't seem like a good way to make money to me. What are the chances they would use the now dead HD DVD format for games?
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rvinkebob
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9. June 2008 @ 23:23 |
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Originally posted by o0cynix0o:
If they did release an XBox with a blue ray drive how would all the owners of the regular DVD version of the console play the new games? It doesn't seem like a good way to make money to me. What are the chances they would use the now dead HD DVD format for games?
They wouldn't. They would release an external BD drive such as how they did with the HD-DVD drive.
BTW, does anyone know what the size was on the 360 version of GTA4? I know the PS3 was 10.4GB, but I want to compare how much they had to compress.
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9. June 2008 @ 23:52 |
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Originally posted by rvinkebob:
They wouldn't. They would release an external BD drive such as how they did with the HD-DVD drive. .
So they would be releasing games in BluRay or just movies?
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SProdigy
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10. June 2008 @ 01:21 |
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Originally posted by DXR88:
You cant compare DvD to Blu-ray, more storage = better game, sure you could trim stuff out of dvd, so why your at it trim the price too, im only getting half a product why should i give you full price.
Trimming content is bad business, its like Time warner trimming your download limit to 40 gig cap, and then charging you more for stuff that should have been there(xbox-market place).
I think what I was trying to say was taken out of context, and was actually pointed out below. The PS3 version of GTA IV is (obviously) larger than the 360 version, and does not include the downloadable content that MS will be making available to Xbox users.
There had to be some way that Rockstar compiled their code, or compressed graphics, etc. With certain codecs for audio and video, it would definitely be a possibility to compress games to DVD9. With the installed base of 360 consoles, I doubt a company looking to release a game would just say "screw it, we don't want to trim this down to sell a few million extra copies." Unless of course, it's exclusive to either PlayStation or Xbox (ie. MGS4)
Hence, you're not getting less of a product in any way. We all know that WAV files are huge compared to MP3, AAC and WMA. Audiophiles can digress on the differences in each, but to the common folk, it's all the same deal. That's just one comparison between uncompressed and compressed digital files, which could also be the case for game content as well.
If you compare GTA IV on both consoles, I don't see a discernible difference between the two, and arguments have been made that the 360 version is graphically superior, though I won't take either side, it's just what I've read. (And NO, YouTube videos do not count! LOL.)
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10. June 2008 @ 01:47 |
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This guy is just in denial bout everything. Can he approve anything??
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plazma247
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10. June 2008 @ 03:57 |
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10. June 2008 @ 10:09 |
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all i'm sayings is that eventually MS give or take 2 years will realize
there mistake, See you can only compress so much before the game turns into garbage. game developers have always wanted more space to work with
might not improve graphics, but that extra space could be used to store dynamic Textures and bitmaps, more story, or perhaps dynamic AI. as it stands you cant do that with a dvd.
Compressing is still taking away from the original loss-less or not.
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10. June 2008 @ 14:28 |
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Originally posted by DXR88:
all i'm sayings is that eventually MS give or take 2 years will realize
there mistake, See you can only compress so much before the game turns into garbage. game developers have always wanted more space to work with
might not improve graphics, but that extra space could be used to store dynamic Textures and bitmaps, more story, or perhaps dynamic AI. as it stands you cant do that with a dvd.
Compressing is still taking away from the original loss-less or not.
could not agree more.......
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plazma247
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10. June 2008 @ 15:21 |
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I third that.. but maybe its a case of sony either priced it out of being a viable option to fit it to the xbox or have just flately refused and blocked all attempts for the drive to be fitted to an xbox.
Who knows, its just a funny move after two years of saying they would go blueray if hd dvd failed and there was demand and now a big back track... which is why i think there is more that we havnt been told.
The HD Step down and give into BDROM was the break sony had been banking on all along, the now have their own format which they control and is then its only fitted exclusivly to their own games station...
It just win win win as far as sony go from here on in.....
... Maybe microsoft would consider fitting a BDROM to their microsoft home server and stream it across from there, its going to take giga lan to take the load unless the re-encode it down to a more compressed bitrate... but still its maybe an option for at least watching hi def roms, maybe someone will write something winamp remote (orb), tversity etc and will be able to do it from the pc.. who knows.
Still its a really sucky outcome not having bd onboard.
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bdoggie08
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10. June 2008 @ 17:04 |
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Who can afford that kinda internet? Microsoft is retarded to think that people are going to download whole console games for their system? And how much memory space are they going to allot? Why doesn't Microsoft just ressurect HDDVD? they have the money...
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10. June 2008 @ 17:27 |
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Originally posted by plazma247:
lol i think old robbie may have been smoking to much of the good stuff as some of his previous statements have included:
Trying to head microsoft into the furniture business:
http:...
Nice research Plazma! I like it a Lot!
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10. June 2008 @ 23:29 |
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Originally posted by o0cynix0o:
If they did release an XBox with a blue ray drive how would all the owners of the regular DVD version of the console play the new games? It doesn't seem like a good way to make money to me. What are the chances they would use the now dead HD DVD format for games?
They wouldn't. They would release an external BD drive such as how they did with the HD-DVD drive.
BTW, does anyone know what the size was on the 360 version of GTA4? I know the PS3 was 10.4GB, but I want to compare how much they had to compress.
7.30 GB
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rvinkebob
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11. June 2008 @ 00:32 |
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Originally posted by DVDBack23:
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They wouldn't. They would release an external BD drive such as how they did with the HD-DVD drive.
BTW, does anyone know what the size was on the 360 version of GTA4? I know the PS3 was 10.4GB, but I want to compare how much they had to compress.
7.30 GB
They really trimmed it down then.
Originally posted by o0cynix0o:
So they would be releasing games in BluRay or just movies?
Just movies, and that's only if they release a BD drive for the 360. USB doesn't have enough bandwidth to carry constant data needed in most games on BluRay.
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11. June 2008 @ 02:43 |
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Originally posted by bdoggie08:
Why doesn't Microsoft just ressurect HDDVD? they have the money...
My thoughts exactly...they could have their own HD format for games exclusively.
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11. June 2008 @ 08:55 |
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a still say a 3 part plan to move the 360 to BR would work out great for them, new units are built better slowly replace the 360s out there with BR enabled units, you'd be able to prop up the aged 360 longer and even let publishers who want to make BR games for it but its going to take 5milloin or more BR enabled units in play to make BR gaming profitable, it can be done and be done reasonably...I'd much rather buy a 360 with BR in it at 300 than a PS3 at this point and time but the 360 is over priced without BR right now.
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