Gamers upset over Mass Effect DRM
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article published on 18 June, 2008
Last month, we reported that the blockbuster PC game Mass Effect was set to have rolling DRM, the form of DRM unflatteringly known as "phoning home" as every 10 days the game would connect to Bioware's servers and re-activate itself. After the report surfaced around the Internet though, the backlash was too much for the company and they decided to remove the DRM from the game.
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Iguana775
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18. June 2008 @ 13:51 |
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LMFAO. teach them for trying to rape the consumer. their attempt to combat piracy only encourages it.
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ookami
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18. June 2008 @ 14:16 |
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Does the game with it's own lube? Or must we supply our own?
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windsong
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18. June 2008 @ 14:24 |
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Well from what I've heard, you can have your own lube present, but unfortunately they keep it just out of reach as they pound you.
Strangely enough, my copy of Mass Effect, which I acquired (cough) suffers none of these issues. No dialing home, unlimited installs, no calling up EA Tech Support in India and begging them for more lube, er..I mean, activations.
I saw the writing on the wall with the EA takeover. Maybe I'll send back my original Baldurs Gate II discs to Bioware covered in sheep's blood, along with a note as to why I will never buy from them again (keyword: buy).
The two founding doctors (Ray and Greg) of Bioware used to be in medicine. Maybe they should go back to probing the colons of their patients instead of their paying game customers.
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Buga
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18. June 2008 @ 14:26 |
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First Music. Haven't bought but 1 CD in last 4 years. Not even p2p. 1, most music sucks. 2, and not worth the money with all the garbage they now put on them. Then DVD's. Use to buy 1 a week. Then went to 1 a month. Over the last year only 1. Again, Mostly crappy movies, or filled with so much other crap, they won't work properly.
Now Games. Geez. Not a huge gamer, but this will be a game that I WILL NOT get. Every 3 months Im upgrading something in the system and doing a reformat. So I would have to buy a new copy every 9 months at min. NOT.
And they keep wondering WHY sales are down. (are they really?) Used to spend a good 3k a year in Music, Movies, Games. Last 12 months, spent exactly 12.99 on a movie, and 49.99 on a game. Thats it. Maybe I should thank them. LOL
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18. June 2008 @ 15:18 |
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The trouble with install limits it effects the right of resale a item and this goes against the first sale doctrine....
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18. June 2008 @ 16:36 |
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I don't even see why they bother with "protections" anymore.
The average Joe may not be able to get around it to copy it for the neighbor but the biggest fish, the warez groups, all know or very quickly learn how to get around the protections anyway.
As DVDBack23 stated, it seems as if they are wanting consumers to pirate their stuff. I would love to see a company release a PC game DRM-Free just to show that it would probably sell more (if its a decent game) then if they put tons of restrictions on it such as the ones in Mass DRM...err..Effect.
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18. June 2008 @ 16:46 |
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Good i was one Of those people that threw them the bone. they should have never thought about.
To the re-registration problem its a Game Config issue, you can get rid of it through certain methods.
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18. June 2008 @ 16:58 |
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Originally posted by Pop_Smith: I don't even see why they bother with "protections" anymore.
The average Joe may not be able to get around it to copy it for the neighbor but the biggest fish, the warez groups, all know or very quickly learn how to get around the protections anyway.
As DVDBack23 stated, it seems as if they are wanting consumers to pirate their stuff. I would love to see a company release a PC game DRM-Free just to show that it would probably sell more (if its a decent game) then if they put tons of restrictions on it such as the ones in Mass DRM...err..Effect.
gciv and sins of a solar empire has sold well and are drmless
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cart0181
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18. June 2008 @ 17:01 |
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"If the distributors of Mass Effect are trying to push gamers towards piracy (where the games have infinite activations and never have to phone home) and they are certainly doing a good job."
So, is the patch out yet? lol ( I don't own nor will I ever own this game, I'm just joking, but curious nonetheless. )
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18. June 2008 @ 17:14 |
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Originally posted by cart0181: "If the distributors of Mass Effect are trying to push gamers towards piracy (where the games have infinite activations and never have to phone home) and they are certainly doing a good job."
So, is the patch out yet? lol ( I don't own nor will I ever own this game, I'm just joking, but curious nonetheless. )
let just say its out in spades, because this version of securom has been cracked before it was near instant unlike bioshock that took a few weeks to hack right.
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18. June 2008 @ 18:19 |
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The main disvantage with pirated games in the past was losing online-gaming feature, but extra servers are popping up for most games so it doesn't really mather anymore.
but bothering the costumer with all this is just piracy-encouraging, not even MS does this... >.<
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18. June 2008 @ 18:22 |
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Originally posted by chaos_zzz: The main disvantage with pirated games in the past was losing online-gaming feature, but extra servers are popping up for most games so it doesn't really mather anymore.
but bothering the costumer with all this is just piracy-encouraging, not even MS does this... >.<
just wait till they start using a free limtied version of live to "protect" games with ^^
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18. June 2008 @ 18:28 |
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I said it before with the first story:
I won't buy what I can't back up.
I buy it, it's mine.
I should be able to install it as many times as I want.
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18. June 2008 @ 20:51 |
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Silly crackheads at EA are being ran by lab rats.
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sgriesch
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18. June 2008 @ 20:59 |
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3? Even crappy I-Tunes DRM will give you 7. I have 7 computers, and if I decide to change the machine I'm playing it on, I'm going to do it. If I pay for it, it's my legal right.
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18. June 2008 @ 21:08 |
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Quote: If the distributors of Mass Effect are trying to push gamers towards piracy (where the games have infinite activations and never have to phone home) and they are certainly doing a good job.
I want all to say is that Bioware is the impetus and cause of game piracy.
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navi1199
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19. June 2008 @ 00:12 |
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basically what we are buying is a license not a game. the game is theirs we're just paying 60 bucks for permission to play the game up to 3 install, then they take it away from us.
interesting concept.
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19. June 2008 @ 01:29 |
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Originally posted by navi1199: basically what we are buying is a license not a game. the game is theirs we're just paying 60 bucks for permission to play the game up to 3 install, then they take it away from us.
interesting concept.
I can't wait till they put it on console games they have every steppingstone avabile to do with with 360 and PS3 games, this is something software makers have been trying to limit "under profits" for a awhile now look at the autodesk thing where the courts ruled that reselling is not illegal.
THe only trouble is there would be such a shit storm over it not only from consumers but the resale market corporate heads will roll, i am hoping such restrictions are found to agisnt the law.
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19. June 2008 @ 03:34 |
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Thank you very much sony for screwUrom, another of your pro-consumer moves. we love your shiny outlook of, licence and DRM everything. (for ppl that don't know secuROM is sony made DRM)
@ Pop_Smith
there was and it did rather well, regardless of the big industry players, ala sony and co (who make, and most importantly SELL the DRM) stating that it would flop due to rampant piracy. Galactic Civilizations II
http://blogs.ign.com/Stardock_Games/2008/01/29/78711/
Originally posted by link: Tuesday, January 29, 2008
Copy Protection
AKA: Yes Virgnia, there?s no CD copy protection in Sins of a Solar Empire
I remember hearing at a conference that when an executive at a big publisher heard that Galactic Civilizations II shipped with no CD copy protection that they quipped ?I hope bankruptcy treats them well.?
Millions of dollars in sales later as one of the top selling PC strategy games at retail (according to NPD) over the past couple of years let?s me say ?Ha!? in response. And this is on a game that made most of its money on digital sales.
I don?t like piracy. I don?t like people using stuff my friends and I worked very hard on for years without compensating us. But I also can make the distinction between piracy and lost sales. That?s a distinction that most DRM and copy protection schemes ignore.
The bottom line on copy protection is that if you create a greater incentive for someone to buy your game than to steal it, those who might possibly buy your game will make the choice to buy it.
@ ZippyDSM
there are going to surely change to that type of anti-consumer model and sony's PSN release of warhawk shows just what it will be like in the near future. they will convert all the sheepes very slowly just as we are being conditioned into a surveillance society.
IF YOU ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING ILLEGAL DRM IS NOT AN ISSUE!
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19. June 2008 @ 17:15 |
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Smart i think not.
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19. June 2008 @ 21:45 |
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You'd figure they would learn from Crysis, if the game is good it will sell despite piracy. It sold over a million-plus and still going. Like one of the posters said, this just promotes piracy. I mean keep the basic protection on, but putting it in a straight jacket to do a periodical internet check up which will then mess up the settings of the game or your puter. Forget it.
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maryjayne
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19. June 2008 @ 21:53 |
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I don't know about the rest of you, but unless I purchase a game specifically for online play like WOW, then the game is immediately firewalled for connecting to the internet. If I later decide I want to use any of the online features of the game (rare case), then I will temporarily disable the firewall for that gaming session. I am probably just paranoid, but there is NO reason a game that I purchased to play for my personal enjoyment on my computer should need to phone home. What I purchase to put on my computer should be able to be used out of the box without any additional hoops to jump through.
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19. June 2008 @ 22:39 |
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Originally posted by skopas: You'd figure they would learn from Crysis, if the game is good it will sell despite piracy. It sold over a million-plus and still going. Like one of the posters said, this just promotes piracy. I mean keep the basic protection on, but putting it in a straight jacket to do a periodical internet check up which will then mess up the settings of the game or your puter. Forget it.
and yet the publisher/dev blames piracy for poor sales.....
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sgriesch
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19. June 2008 @ 23:34 |
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Why the limitations on everything? It's almost like buying a car, but only being able to drive it to 3 places. How bout a little more freedom here? 3 is incredibly low.
Just out of curiousity, does anyone know if AnyDvd corrects any of this? Or would this be a completely different beast?
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19. June 2008 @ 23:36 |
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Originally posted by sgriesch: Why the limitations on everything? It's almost like buying a car, but only being able to drive it to 3 places. How bout a little more freedom here? 3 is incredibly low.
Just out of curiousity, does anyone know if AnyDvd corrects any of this? Or would this be a completely different beast?
they want to devastate the 2nd hand market.
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