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Music industry targets radio station piracy - demands more royalties
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article published on 23 June, 2008
Seeing music executives with their hands in somebody else's pocket is nothing new. Still it's noteworthy when they decided to reach a little deeper, which is exactly what they're hoping to do with radio stations across the US. According to representatives of the musicFIRST coalition, which represents the RIAA and a number of songwriter groups, AM and FM broadcasters are pirates and need to pay royalties.
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23. June 2008 @ 22:55 |
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Go figure, a business model going the way of the dodo. In its struggle to stay alive it blames radio stations, whom the RIAA pays in a round about way, for piracy.
Whats next? Suing (or at least blaming) artists for pirating their own music?
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23. June 2008 @ 23:27 |
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Whats next? Suing (or at least blaming) artists for pirating their own music?
Why not?
They've pulled every other dirty trick in the proverbial book.
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23. June 2008 @ 23:34 |
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Well that should be real easy for the radio stations to deal with eh? There are heaps and heaps of unsigned acts out in the wild.. It's time they got the airtime they deserve, and lets leave the likes of the fat rich asses like Bono and Gene Simmonds to MTV where they belong.. along with all the other examples of the old, pointless and greedy.
When was the last time you turned on the radio anyway?
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23. June 2008 @ 23:50 |
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Seeing music executives with their hands in somebody else's pocket is nothing new.
Fantastic opening line. That pretty much sums it up.
Solomon often said "Nothing new under the sun."
It still holds true.
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24. June 2008 @ 01:00 |
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When are these clowns gonna realize the only people they are hurting are themselves with this crap. Like the man said, the business model they promote has gone the way of the dodo and yet they insist on clinging to it's dying, rotting carcass just like the scavengers they are. The radio stations should ban together and counter sue those whips for their stunts. "What are they gonna do when there are no more pockets left to pick?", is a good question. Between suing people for sharing music and using illegal tactics to do so, lying to the artists in regards to what happened to the monies collected, supposedly, for them and wanting a piracy tax put on the internet so they can get the money so rightfully denied them by the file sharing, now they want to force the radio stations to pay them even more? C'mon, it's about time that someone forced the DOJ to look into this crap. If it were Microsoft they'd be all over it like white on rice, so why don't they go after these idiots and investigate their practices, actually see if there is any reason for them to be suing people just because they think that they are sharing.
It's time for the RIAA to wake up and realize that they can only push their customers so far before they start pushing back and if no one buys their music what's next a tax on people who aren't buying their garbage, just so they can keep themselves in cocaine, chicas, condos and Cayman Island bank accounts.
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24. June 2008 @ 01:43 |
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ok i am not complaining but i live in a 1 room condo with a wife & baby & pay for my iTunes or my dvd;s & i pay for my XM radio but i also listen to free radio & the execs who own 2 -3 10 room multi million homes want that free radio to eat it? because they want to fill there Ferrari & Lamborghini & hummers with gas to drive now here & they want more $ i laugh! I just paid $48 to fill my POS Dodge Neon & they want more $! I just don't know what to say! I don't feel too bad & i love it when guys like kid rock stand up & say F U to these Execs!
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24. June 2008 @ 01:47 |
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I AM SO ANGRY that I had to join AD just to post.
This is imbecilic!!! I have never heard anything so GD stupid in my entire life. AM and FM radio exists for the very REASON to promote! In the beginning it was Tommy Dorseys Big Band Hour, now its Lil Wayne. Where are these artists going to be once radio plays thier songs less and less? They had better think and take a damn stand against the RIAA as its always been a medium of FREE promotion for them. I have to wonder if the music industry's head is up it's ass at this point.
So youll have to pay (as a channel/company station) for each song, each time its played..so less music will be played..then what? hour long infomercials that used to air on Sundays in drive-time M-F???
Or will there be a straight quota fee on a monthly basis.. "You may play this song 130 times this month" so when someones 12 year old daughter calls and gets on the radio requesting Mariah Carey's newest theyll be dissappointed because its number 131.
One last thing.. who should really worry is any band/artist NOT in the top 40 right now. As without radio there will be LESS sales of CREAM, or BOB MARLEY. I cant wait for the next generation to have absolutely no idea who The Beatles were and......have no interest in knowing who they were.
Thanks music industry, thanks!
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24. June 2008 @ 03:15 |
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Great lets isolate indie from the radio stations by only allowing media airtime that is worth paying up for ala RIAA marketed crud, or am i just being cynical here?
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24. June 2008 @ 04:15 |
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A few choice quotes come to mind:
Don't bite the hand that feeds
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth
Cutting off the nose to spite the face
Free promotion anyone? How the hell else do the record execs think anyone ever hears new music? Or are they going to give payola another roll of the dice, I guess it only cost them $30m a couple of years ago.
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24. June 2008 @ 06:53 |
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No nobrainer not being cynical, I would have never heard of Inspiral Carpets, The Beautiful, or Radiohead if it werent for free FM radio stations. True I think maybe someday AM and FM will go the way of analog tv. But it must be replaced with the next step up and for no cost to the listener, as it was. If not, that will surely not only kill the music industry as a whole, but the whole ideal of musical entertainment. We live in sad times.
Next there will be a royalty fee for singing in your shower.
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24. June 2008 @ 08:15 |
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Hmm... no wonder MTV doesn't play music videos anymore!
I hope everyone has a CD player or iPod for their cars, or likes listening to AM talk radio! It's ironic that radio stations would be killed by the very thing they were created for.
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24. June 2008 @ 09:03 |
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Last time I checked, consent contradicts theft or piracy. The labels spend million of dollars in promotional materials and actual promoters just in attempt to have their music played. And how many artists have asked for radio to stop playing their music??? The labels are using everyone else to prop up their failing business model.
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24. June 2008 @ 09:24 |
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Hahahaha..these guys are so pathetic it's funny.
What's next? Taking money from 12 year old kids because they were caught humming a Britney Spears song in public.
Oh and don't get me started on the sleazy government officials who I'm sure are getting nice fat pay checks passing these stupid laws that cater to these slime ball organizations.
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24. June 2008 @ 13:27 |
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Martin Machowsky is right. No one listens to the radio for the commercials. They listen for the music. If the radio stations decide to tell the RIAA to stick it where the sun doesn't shine and quit playing the music then where will any artist be heard. The music industry made a lot of money off of me from 1992 - 1999 when "Club Dance" was on The Nashville Network. When TNN dropped Club Dance and other programs that featured the songs being performed I drastically reduced my music purchases from $ 300.00 a year to $ 20.00 a year. Now the RIAA wants radio to pay for playing the music !!!!! Well I think that radio will go to an all Talk format and the RIAA will disentegrate from within.
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24. June 2008 @ 14:38 |
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It's a form of piracy, if you will, but not in the classic sense as we think of it," said Martin Machowsky, a musicFIRST spokesman. "Today we gifted them a can of herring, about their argument that they provide promotional value. We think that's a red herring. Nobody listens to the radio for the commercials."
wow, good job Mr.Machowsky. are all the execs as clueless as you. radio promotes music, dumb sh*t. not ads like you want it too, but music. radio has promoted artist, talk show guys, news,comedians,and people since its design in the 1900's.
you pulled this stunt before and lost.
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24. June 2008 @ 15:07 |
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i wonder about that machoski himself..does he belive the s*** that comes out his mouth or he says what he has to to get paid..
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24. June 2008 @ 16:46 |
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I havent listened to terrestrial radio since getting XM in 2003. Listening to 15 to 20 minutes of commercials an hour made my ears bleed. Let the RIAA fark themselves. When the music industry dies they will have no one but themselves to blame.
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24. June 2008 @ 17:36 |
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Originally posted by blueroad:
i wonder about that machoski himself..does he belive the s*** that comes out his mouth or he says what he has to to get paid..
Worse....he gets paid to believe it.
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ikari
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24. June 2008 @ 19:07 |
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Hmmmm...Someone should make a list of all of the ways the labels are trying to collect royalties. It is getting almost downright silly what they try to do. Then again, they have to have money to buyoff all of those lawmakers.
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ikari
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24. June 2008 @ 19:11 |
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Hmmmm...Someone should make a list of all of the ways the labels are trying to collect royalties. It is getting almost downright silly what they try to do. Then again, they have to have money to buyoff all of those lawmakers.
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24. June 2008 @ 19:22 |
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Broadcasters should stop playing music for an enrtire 24 hour period. Lets cut off their money for one day. They should open the phone lines and let angry listeners give the music mafia an earful of hate. Use the time to promote live concerts which benifit the artists instead of the RIAA crybabies...
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25. June 2008 @ 01:08 |
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Noth'n new here,this happened around 15 years ago in NZ except it was aimed at tv stations basicly doing a top 20-40 of videos on a saturday,the Recording morons wanted money for showing the vids,the tv exec's said up yours & stopped broadcasting the show after 10 years,the upshot of all this, a massive down hill slide in sales of music because there was no idea who the latest artists were,can't remember how long the vids were off air at a guess it took another 3-5 years before the idiots came to an agreement & let the vid show continue,funnily enough it gave NZ Artists a chance to get heard instead..lol.
Edit: the point is regardless of the medium it's still free advertising for the recording industry,(QUOTE: Red from that 70's show "dumbass" )
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25. June 2008 @ 01:41 |
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so eat your partner in crime in order to stay alive long enough to die a worse death?
W T F?!?!?!?
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25. June 2008 @ 03:18 |
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I think I've figured it out. The RIAA isn't after money out of this at all, it is probably all just so they can implement a pricing policy whereby they can control exactly what is played on the radio stations. If they decide that their new artist can be played for "free" but everything else costs too much to bother with, the labels have effectively managed to create a system whereby they can control what is played without any need to resort to bribery/payola, and maybe make a little bit on the side.
Hopefully the regulators can see past the thinly veiled bribery. What used to be a bribe is now free. What used to be free now costs money. And it is all above board and in fact passed as law.
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25. June 2008 @ 03:25 |
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Originally posted by OzMick:
I think I've figured it out. The RIAA isn't after money out of this at all, it is probably all just so they can implement a pricing policy whereby they can control exactly what is played on the radio stations. If they decide that their new artist can be played for "free" but everything else costs too much to bother with, the labels have effectively managed to create a system whereby they can control what is played without any need to resort to bribery/payola, and maybe make a little bit on the side.
Hopefully the regulators can see past the thinly veiled bribery. What used to be a bribe is now free. What used to be free now costs money. And it is all above board and in fact passed as law.
unless they want to buy out the radio stations and plunk money into them I do not think so...
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