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Music industry targets radio station piracy - demands more royalties
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article published on 23 June, 2008
Seeing music executives with their hands in somebody else's pocket is nothing new. Still it's noteworthy when they decided to reach a little deeper, which is exactly what they're hoping to do with radio stations across the US. According to representatives of the musicFIRST coalition, which represents the RIAA and a number of songwriter groups, AM and FM broadcasters are pirates and need to pay royalties.
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OzMick
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25. June 2008 @ 05:08 |
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unless they want to buy out the radio stations and plunk money into them I do not think so...
I'll link again, but make it a bit more obvious this time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payola
It is illegal to pay for play unless it is clearly identified, and they don't want to give the impression of ramming the same crap music down people's throats every hour. Three of the big four have all been found guilty of it in the past 3 years.
By making what they want to promote free vs everything else, they've effectively made a bribe without money ever needing to change hands, and when there isn't that much money already in running a radio station, free "popular" music would seem mighty tempting. I wouldn't hesitate to put money down as this being the motivation. I guess we'll see soon enough.
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nobrainer
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payola eh, you are right about the RIAA wanting to keep a hold on distribution and air time as this has been their reason for tighter ip laws and tough royalties for indie bands, it is total control that they want so they get to have their sticky figures in all pies, the way top stop them is to boycott all their media and hardware.
so boycott;
SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, EMI.
Damning Sony payola memos: "I'm a whore this week" Originally posted by hyper:
Paul sez, "60-page PDF of letters and emails among major labels and stations negotiating pay-for-play deals of the sort for which Sony agreed to pay a $10M settlement yesterday. Highlights: Epic lists exact payouts for 75 spins based on size of market. Quotes: 'I'm a whore this week, what can I say?' 'Get a power rotation commitment before we commit.' 'Don't want to position Duran Duran with an 80's club ... they are still just as relevant in 2004.' And of course the inevitable 'Sent from my Blackberry Wireless Handheld.'" It's awesome: this lists DJ after DJ who accepting paltry little tchotchkes in exchange for their integrity and mortal souls. They're not just whores, they're cheap whores. 1.1MB PDF Link
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I will add to what has already been said. Not only are they using this type of crap to prop their failing business models. They are using this to keep promoting their bogus plans for their artist. Anybody that knows music well enough can clearly see the complete lack of good music. People don't want to spend $10 - $20 on garbage. What they need to do is allow artist to be their self instead of the today's traditional studio gangsta or stereo type of what today's youth is. We have absolutely no creativity, or originality. You have artist scared to be who they are so that is one issue. They other is the high cost for CD's and that is a partial source for why we have piracy. They really need to adapt to what the public wants rather then putting their hands another man/womans pocket.
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If the listening public is so outraged by this, why are there no organized protests and boycotts? A few loud voices do not a trend make and judging by the very few comments posted on all the boards I frequent, the will to organize and "reform" the RIAA, and other organizations, simply is not there.
If those of you who are so vocal about this would begin to organize with your peers, you might get something done. It wont happen over night or maybe in ten years, but the tact does work. It's worked for civil rights (started with a simple bus ride protest), it's worked for gay rights, and it can work here. But you have to do more than bitch; you have to act. And leave your sob stories, excuses and victim stories in your head. Action requires work; the lazy need not apply.
I no longer listen to commercial radio; I stopped years ago. I prefer other forms of aural entertainment both at home and during driving. But apparently, judging from the venom flowing here, I'm in the minority. And that's fine. But I also have no gripes with the RIAA ... they simply don't impact my life... I neither buy nor steal music. Basically because I simply refuse to line the pockets of those you so strongly oppose.
So why don't those of you that are so angry do some reading up on the tactics of civil rights movement, Vietnam war protests, gay rights lobbying and the like for some needed direction. Because guys, if all you're going to do is bitch, moan & groan, and fuss & fume then, well, you may as well just be quiet because all your doing is looking helpless and stupid as you plop down your very hard-earned money for that music CD you just can't live without.
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Originally posted by ku4hx:
If the listening public is so outraged by this, why are there no organized protests and boycotts? A few loud voices do not a trend make and judging by the very few comments posted on all the boards I frequent, the will to organize and "reform" the RIAA, and other organizations, simply is not there.
If those of you who are so vocal about this would begin to organize with your peers, you might get something done. It wont happen over night or maybe in ten years, but the tact does work. It's worked for civil rights (started with a simple bus ride protest), it's worked for gay rights, and it can work here. But you have to do more than bitch; you have to act. And leave your sob stories, excuses and victim stories in your head. Action requires work; the lazy need not apply.
I no longer listen to commercial radio; I stopped years ago. I prefer other forms of aural entertainment both at home and during driving. But apparently, judging from the venom flowing here, I'm in the minority. And that's fine. But I also have no gripes with the RIAA ... they simply don't impact my life... I neither buy nor steal music. Basically because I simply refuse to line the pockets of those you so strongly oppose.
So why don't those of you that are so angry do some reading up on the tactics of civil rights movement, Vietnam war protests, gay rights lobbying and the like for some needed direction. Because guys, if all you're going to do is bitch, moan & groan, and fuss & fume then, well, you may as well just be quiet because all your doing is looking helpless and stupid as you plop down your very hard-earned money for that music CD you just can't live without.
Why i don't is simple i need my job. i have a life, and its harder than hell get another job. what would i tell my employer, im going to protest against the riaa.
you see its not life threating for me, if my life and the life of my friends were at risk everyday. that requires immediate action.
i should not have to waist my breath with fools as the RIAA, the government should deal with it. unfortunately with corrupt politicians every where you look, its hard to strike against them.
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Originally posted by ku4hx:
If the listening public is so outraged by this, why are there no organized protests and boycotts? A few loud voices do not a trend make and judging by the very few comments posted on all the boards I frequent, the will to organize and "reform" the RIAA, and other organizations, simply is not there.
If those of you who are so vocal about this would begin to organize with your peers, you might get something done. It wont happen over night or maybe in ten years, but the tact does work. It's worked for civil rights (started with a simple bus ride protest), it's worked for gay rights, and it can work here. But you have to do more than bitch; you have to act. And leave your sob stories, excuses and victim stories in your head. Action requires work; the lazy need not apply.
I no longer listen to commercial radio; I stopped years ago. I prefer other forms of aural entertainment both at home and during driving. But apparently, judging from the venom flowing here, I'm in the minority. And that's fine. But I also have no gripes with the RIAA ... they simply don't impact my life... I neither buy nor steal music. Basically because I simply refuse to line the pockets of those you so strongly oppose.
So why don't those of you that are so angry do some reading up on the tactics of civil rights movement, Vietnam war protests, gay rights lobbying and the like for some needed direction. Because guys, if all you're going to do is bitch, moan & groan, and fuss & fume then, well, you may as well just be quiet because all your doing is looking helpless and stupid as you plop down your very hard-earned money for that music CD you just can't live without.
Why i don't is simple i need my job. i have a life, and its harder than hell get another job. what would i tell my employer, im going to protest against the riaa.
you see its not life threating for me, if my life and the life of my friends were at risk everyday. that requires immediate action.
i should not have to waist my breath with fools as the RIAA, the government should deal with it. unfortunately with corrupt politicians every where you look, its hard to strike against them.
I couldn't agree more. But that is how and why they get away with these type of issues. They know people are to busy and most not financially well off to stop and show the proper interest in stopping the shitnanigans they are allowed to do. Politicians only care about money and success. So because the RIAA & MPAA can use their money backing to move things in their favor, it makes these issues easy to triumph. Then the kicker is they get to make up new laws and have them passed again while people are busy with their lives. With issues like that it's hard to sit here and say lets go protest because you have more to lose than them. The 60's - 80's were easier times to protest because the economy was not so hard on your pockets.
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they also have teams of bloggers who's job it is to ridicule anyone, wishing to tell the truth about their business practices, advertising contracts that can be used as leverage, teams of lawyers and the DMCA.
The best way to stop them is to actually name the companies behind anti consumer, instead of the front that they hide behind, riaa/mpaa, ect.
BOYCOTT SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, EMI. THE RIAA.
BOYCOTT SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, DISNEY, PARAMOUNT, FOX. THE MPAA.
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I hope they get what they demand. That will be several more nails in their coffin. Just like the AP news they might find out how truely unimportant they are. (AP warned bloogers not to quote them or they may get sued. Bloggers have stopped using them for quotes). That would force the radio industry to play independent music. Who knows, that might start a music rennassance leaving the RIAA in their empty sandbox.
I rescently was listening to XFM at a party. Two bands caught my attention enough that I wrote down the band names. Apparently they are independent since they are not listed where you can buy CDs. I will check them out on a site that sells HQ independent tunes for less. I pretty much avoid RIAA music if I can, but I don't mind spending money like this where the artist gets a bigger cut for what I pay. I also pay less for 320 or lossless quality. I think it will be the independents that will save music. The RIAA can't identify good music any more than they have a clue how to market what they do have.
I would like to see some radio stations be more geared for promotions. Play a set of artists that you can purchase from one location. Play the add at the end of the set with a discount code. The buyer gets a discount and the the radio station should get a kickback. Then radio stations might start to play music that sells. That wouldn't be so bad. The music programmers would actually have to know what they were doing.
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Well I waited a while to allow plenty of time for responses. I see not too many responded so I'll take that as an indication I was mostly correct in my comments and assessments. After all, silence (which by the way is deafening here) is always taken as agreement.
As is the usual case, and I'm as guilty as the next, it's just easier to let the other guy do the hard work and then reap the benefits. But people have their reasons and some are valid. In fact, for over three decades I was a corporate "yes" man to keep my job. However, all I had to swallow was my company's position on their business and if I took their money, I did things their way.
And although people shouldn't have to waste their breath over anything, I still maintain if all your going to do is bitch, I can tell you nobody of any importance is going to hear a word you say. Why should they? You have no sway in their lives either personal or professionl. In fact most will laugh and I suspect the RIAA is laughing at all the discontented folk who just can't seem to find time to do anything about the things they feel are so unfair. But hey, who the h3ll am I to judge when I don't even buy music or listen to music radio. That's my personal stance. I simply got tired of feeling I was feeding the fat cats so I quit doing.
The truth is I feel I've said enough about this and the fact is nobody is listening to me. But that's ok, because when I sign off forever to this thread, I'll still not be feeding the fat cats, I have a full, rich life with my family of several generations, and I have more and better things to do that waste my time on something that has no effect on my life.
So Adios my friends, and keep the faith. Maybe somebody, somewhere will really challenge the RIAA with more than angry words on a forum far far away.
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OOO.. at least you are keping your money in your pocket instead of giving it to these fat cats. I'm currently trying to find the publisher rights holders details for my music which I intend to re release totally free under the creative commons.. and because it is known music from a known act wait for the RIAA trying to sue me for doing them out of their cut of nothing.
While I enjoy your tirade you do sound a little like the trolls you find who say "either get out on the streets and get arrested or STFU" What does that ever achieve? A few choice words on a forum can do more damage to credibility and reputations than you can imagine. We don't just come here, we visit other places, talk to real people, write blogs and articles for other sites, some of us even write to our elected representatives... without much hope of any result because we don't have the $$$ to put in their back pockets..
oh BTW.. I count 15 lines.. http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2487 .. see 4.1 ;)
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What's next? Taking money from 12 year old kids because they were caught humming a Britney Spears song in public.
The corporate execs have bought into Gordon Gekkos' famous line
"Greed is good"
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