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Apple has killed audio quality, says Neil Young
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article published on 24 July, 2008
Rock star Neil Young made some interesting comments at the Fortune Brainstorm Tech Conference yesterday including his suggestion that music sound quality has been "dumbed down to Fisher-Price toy levels" since the inception of the iPod.
?Apple has taken a detour down the convenience highway,? Young said. ?Quality has taken a complete backseat - if it even gets in the car at all.?
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susieqbbb
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24. July 2008 @ 01:34 |
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And neil young will say anything to sell out anyone so i don't listen to his i am full of myself attitude.
If he wanted better quality he should re-record his albums so they aren't resurrecting them from the dead.
Be glad people are listening to your music.
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24. July 2008 @ 02:00 |
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Its kinda true!
My friend who buys music from itunes thinks it is realllllly good quality. haha
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24. July 2008 @ 02:32 |
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It is what it is! It is what technology allows at this current point in time! For me it is convince in multiple ways! I can stay home & buy a legal cd and i don't have to rip it liek i would do when i got home with that new cd, i can fit most/all of my music with me! if he is gonna take a bluray for his music what will i do with all 30 years of RUSH i have? so now i need a 100 disk blu-ray changer in my car??? my Flipping a$$! Until my music player can hold 100 Terra bites for high quality no rips they its good! What about the sub par stock car speakers? u think u are gettign the high quality threw those?
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dragnandy
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24. July 2008 @ 03:28 |
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its semi true. i mean .mp3 isnt the best, but at 320kbps quality, its pretty darn good. not as good as .flac or .ogg though. ipods have crap quality sound too.
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24. July 2008 @ 04:36 |
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Uh, not everyone can afford a "real tube amplifier" and an audiophile quality turntable to spin that vintage vinyl Neil. Like a couple of the other posters noted, be glad someone is keeping that dinosaur shit alive.
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24. July 2008 @ 06:34 |
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any lossey format is guilty of destroying the quality of the original cd.
lest compose a list of shops or services that offer lossless formats instead of the RIAA choke hold and bandwidth scrudges, starting with:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllOfMP3#Legal_issues
On December 18, 2006,[8] the RIAA, on behalf of EMI, Sony BMG, Universal Music Group, and Warner Music Group filed a US$1.65 trillion lawsuit against the site. That equates to US$150,000 for each of 11 million songs downloaded between June to October 2006, and exceeds Russia's entire GDP
lmfao at the RIAA which is a trade body name just to protect EMI, Sony, Universal and Warner from bad press but as the quote below shows the are not "The Law"
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http://www.allofmp3.ru/press.shtml
May 23 (Bloomberg) -- Sony BMG Music Entertainment and other record companies dismissed their copyright lawsuit against Russia-based Internet music store AllofMP3.com, which was accused of distributing millions of pirated song files.
i know allofmp3 is closed at the moment, but not for long since they have been found within the guidelines of russian law as they pay royalties to ROMS but the greedy RIAA will not negotiate with anybody unless they can control it by dictating the prices they want to be charged, so they can continue to manipulate the global prices.
MP3Sparks http://www.mp3sparks.com/
AllTunes http://www.alltunes.com/
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24. July 2008 @ 07:28 |
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MP3 offers weak qaulity, it simi true but BR is not the answer....
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24. July 2008 @ 07:58 |
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There is nothing better than a good old vinyl LP played on an old vacuum tube stereo. Even the little bumps and hiss all enhance the experience. CDs are like generic medicine or Frankenfood.
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24. July 2008 @ 08:01 |
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Originally posted by garmoon:
There is nothing better than a good old vinyl LP played on an old vacuum tube stereo. Even the little bumps and hiss all enhance the experience. CDs are like generic medicine or Frankenfood.
Frist off that only works for good music...2ndly...old music....you can emulate it now but why bother theres enough noise in the new music..... *hides*
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24. July 2008 @ 08:13 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
MP3 offers weak qaulity, it simi true but BR is not the answer....
192Khz, 24bit, 8 channel lossless audio is not good enough??
Even 2 channel LPCM @ 192Khz/24bit will annihilate a regular CD (44.1Khz/16bit).
I'm sorry guys but I have to agree with Neil Young... Quality is always of the highest importance.
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24. July 2008 @ 08:16 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
MP3 offers weak qaulity, it simi true but BR is not the answer....
192Khz, 24bit, 8 channel lossless audio is not good enough??
Even 2 channel LPCM @ 192Khz/24bit will annihilate a regular CD (44.1Khz/16bit).
I'm sorry guys but I have to agree with Neil Young... Quality is always of the highest importance.
and what is the most Itunes offers?
MP3 is a weak standard, only a few devices can play it fully, while the mainstream line of palyers are realtivly "cheap".
Or am I iz wrognz?
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xtago
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24. July 2008 @ 09:15 |
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Can't diss a guy whos been making music for the last 40 years.
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lynchGOP
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24. July 2008 @ 09:46 |
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Originally posted by susieqbbb:
And neil young will say anything to sell out anyone so i don't listen to his i am full of myself attitude.
If he wanted better quality he should re-record his albums so they aren't resurrecting them from the dead.
Be glad people are listening to your music.
BAM!!!!!!!!!!!!
Truer words were never spoken.
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24. July 2008 @ 09:50 |
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And neil young will say anything to sell out anyone so i don't listen to his i am full of myself attitude.
If he wanted better quality he should re-record his albums so they aren't resurrecting them from the dead.
I don't think he tries that hard to sell records anymore, he said in an interview about his song "lets impeach the president", that he didn't care how much negativity the song received, he stated that he had enough successes and it wasn't about selling records, it was about making good music.
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Can't diss a guy whos been making music for the last 40 years.
Exactly
My perspective on this release of music on Blu-Ray is that I don't believe it is the best solution. It may provide the best audio quality at the moment, but it is not convenient at all. I would buy a concert on Blu-Ray because I can set in front of my home entertainment system and have something to watch while I listen to the music, otherwise I'm staring at a blank screen, and I can't take the music anywhere else or do anything else with it. It doesn't all need to be about convenience, but there needs to be some, with Blu-Ray at this time, there is none at all.
On second thought, I do have an audio system that can take advantage of music on Blu-Ray, so that would be nice. Atleast it won't sound like Californication by the Red Hot Chili Peppers. That album was good, but the worst quality I have ever heard. If CDs just sounded better than that or up to their full potential it would be alot better.
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
MP3 offers weak qaulity, it simi true but BR is not the answer....
192Khz, 24bit, 8 channel lossless audio is not good enough??
Even 2 channel LPCM @ 192Khz/24bit will annihilate a regular CD (44.1Khz/16bit).
I'm sorry guys but I have to agree with Neil Young... Quality is always of the highest importance.
Ok..........now I'm getting tired of people saying, implying, doing stupid things. In this case............THE COMMENT IS JUST STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The title of this article is "Apple has killed audio quality"
Of course 192Khz, 24bit, 8 channel lossless audio is 'good enough' but that is irrelevant of this article. SO PAY ATTENTION!
Apple doensn't offer that. It's 128Khz, 16-bit, 2 channel and you pay extra for the higher quality only RECENTLY offered, without DRM, and few in number I'm sure.
The only part of your hair-brained comment I agree with, and I'm sure every one else does too is the "quality is always of the highest importance."
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lynchGOP
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24. July 2008 @ 09:59 |
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Originally posted by xtago:
Can't diss a guy whos been making music for the last 40 years.
and ..................... YES YOU CAN!
Ever heard the saying "can't teach an old dog new tricks"?
Kinda like teaching my mother how to use her computer more efficiently. Just because she's been around a lot longer and maybe used a word processor or typewriter back in the day doesn't mean she's going to pick up on new technologies. Those making music for 40 years do have a tendency to stick with what they know and are comfortable with and often just don't want to change.
Maybe after 40 years...........it's time to retire. ESPECIALLY that crap from Neil Young. His music just sucks! Always has always will, except for the hippies of course. Damn tree huggers!
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ikari
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24. July 2008 @ 10:15 |
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Originally posted by xtago:
Can't diss a guy whos been making music for the last 40 years.
and ..................... YES YOU CAN!
Ever heard the saying "can't teach an old dog new tricks"?
Kinda like teaching my mother how to use her computer more efficiently. Just because she's been around a lot longer and maybe used a word processor or typewriter back in the day doesn't mean she's going to pick up on new technologies. Those making music for 40 years do have a tendency to stick with what they know and are comfortable with and often just don't want to change.
Maybe after 40 years...........it's time to retire. ESPECIALLY that crap from Neil Young. His music just sucks! Always has always will, except for the hippies of course. D*** tree huggers!
LynchGOP....dude, take a few deep breaths bro. Relax a little. :-)
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Honestly, it is to be expected that apple would offer lower quality stuff. Lower bandwidth, smaller file (meaning more will fit on the ipod) and most people don't care. I am sure the typical user doesn't even know you can get better quality much less care. Now don't get me wrong, I think they should offer something a lot better for those audiophile out there and for the same price as the lower quality song. Good way to make money off of a niche crowd.
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24. July 2008 @ 10:22 |
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Everyone knows you can do better than mp3's. But, "The best sound ever" is not the purpose of mp3. Just like divx/xvid for video. Both formats (mp3 + divx/xvid) is to get a good ratio between quality and file size.
And I am sure that is apples goal. Small file size for download.
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24. July 2008 @ 12:15 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
MP3 offers weak qaulity, it simi true but BR is not the answer....
192Khz, 24bit, 8 channel lossless audio is not good enough??
Even 2 channel LPCM @ 192Khz/24bit will annihilate a regular CD (44.1Khz/16bit).
I'm sorry guys but I have to agree with Neil Young... Quality is always of the highest importance.
and what is the most Itunes offers?
MP3 is a weak standard, only a few devices can play it fully, while the mainstream line of palyers are realtivly "cheap".
Or am I iz wrognz?
Does mp3 offer 192Khz/24bit???
I was of course referring to the audio that Blu-ray can offer. This is an untapped potential that could satisfy any audiophile.
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dragnandy
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24. July 2008 @ 12:35 |
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i agree that mp3's arent the greatest, but apple sells these mp3s off of itunes so that itll go onto peoples ipods. and to be honest with you guys, ipods have crap sound quality. so whether you have 320knps or 120kbps bit rate for an mp3, your not going hear the difference on a crap-pod. and ipods dont even play any loss-less files anyways, just mp3 and aac. so maybe if ipods began to offer better sound quality and better headphones for their customers, more people would realize the music they offer is bad quality. and apple isnt going to start selling high-quality music when you cant even tell the difference on their products.
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24. July 2008 @ 12:43 |
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I've ripped a CD into various formats and bitrates, and I must say that the AAC offered by Apple probably is the most bang for your buck versus MP3 or WMA, just based on quality and file size (so you can fit more songs on your iPod or MP3 CD.) The convenience of having several thousand songs at my fingertips, especially while driving (the time I listen to music exclusively) is negligible to any benefits of vinyl or for that matter, changing CDs. Sorry fellas.
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192Khz, 24bit, 8 channel lossless audio is not good enough??
Even 2 channel LPCM @ 192Khz/24bit will annihilate a regular CD (44.1Khz/16bit).
I'm sorry guys but I have to agree with Neil Young... Quality is always of the highest importance.
Ok..........now I'm getting tired of people saying, implying, doing stupid things. In this case............THE COMMENT IS JUST STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The title of this article is "Apple has killed audio quality"
Of course 192Khz, 24bit, 8 channel lossless audio is 'good enough' but that is irrelevant of this article. SO PAY ATTENTION!
Apple doensn't offer that. It's 128Khz, 16-bit, 2 channel and you pay extra for the higher quality only RECENTLY offered, without DRM, and few in number I'm sure.
The only part of your hair-brained comment I agree with, and I'm sure every one else does too is the "quality is always of the highest importance."
Listen up newbie!
The article clearly mentioned Blu-ray as a suggested platform for the high quality alternative to the ever increasing low quality media available for download on the net.
Oh and by the way Apple does not offer 128Khz like you say, it's 128Kbs... Also, mp3 and mp4/aac (also compatible with the iPod) aren't restricted to 128Kbs as the only bitrate of choice.
The "Khz" refers to the sample rate. In my example of 192Khz, that would mean 192,000 wave form samples are taken every second. With regular CD audio (and mp3) there are 44,100 samples taken per second.
Now who looks stupid?
If you would like to continue this conversation, please feel free to do so but I would like to request that you bring some intelligence to the table next time.
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... now keep in mind regarding ipod users:
a) What percentage of the people who listen to ipod music can:
1) hear any sounds outside the range of 20Hz to 20kHz
2) rip music to 320kbps to listen to on their ipods
3) use "studio quality" speakers to listen to their music
(when they are not listening to their ipods)
4) think that the ipod is the best audio gear that has come along
b) Of these people (above):
1) have they ever heard the difference between a live studio
recording and the finished product (cd)
2) able to understand the technical difference
(aside from hearing it, and being able to distinguish the difference)
... my guess is maybe .0001 percent if any.
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Let's just face it. Sure the ipod audio is crap... and so is your singing ... and you just want to hear a "close" rememberance of a song that is stuck in your head...again...and again.
So you get your ipod fix!
Now you can only hear between 30hz and 10khz due to your crappy headphones... but you got your fix!
Cheers!
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24. July 2008 @ 13:55 |
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the ipod is fine as has been posted, the lo quality itunes is peddling is poor, i agree with mr young there.
BUT unless this multi millionaire is prepared to allow you to exchange your back catalogue of his music for the blu ray he's going to release. then he's just using the media to sell his product to you again. greedy ass wipe! no better than EMI, Sony and fergal sharkey!
IMO :o)
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