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US Senator concerned 'The Dark Knight' will be lose money from piracy
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article published on 28 July, 2008
Last week leading members of the US Senate Judiciary Committee announced plans to introduced yet another copyright bill. The latest is called the Enforcement of Intellectual Property Rights Act of 2008.
The new bill borrows heavily from other recent proposed legislation, most notably the PIRATE Act which was passed in the Senate in 2004, and the US House of Representatives earlier this ... [ read the full article ]
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ikari
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28. July 2008 @ 16:23 |
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Maybe it is the way this article is worded but I can't find a better example of how big companies are the puppeteers of the government. Why is a senator worried about a movie's profitability?
Seriously, there has got to be something more important for this committee to work on than this. I honestly don't care if they want to work on this copywriting law making but take care of the more important things first. The U.S. is in a pretty bad spot right now and senators are worried about this? Come on. /rant /anger
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28. July 2008 @ 16:24 |
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The keep "enforcing" the law the WRONG way. Making punishment more severe only contributes to the unbalance
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28. July 2008 @ 16:38 |
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Uummmm.......heres a clue its huge success is mirrored in alternative forms of distribution(shearing,downloading,digi stuf).
So the sky here is not falling..... NEXT!!!!
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28. July 2008 @ 16:57 |
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Originally posted by ikari:
Maybe it is the way this article is worded but I can't find a better example of how big companies are the puppeteers of the government. Why is a senator worried about a movie's profitability?
Don't take my word for it. Here's the entire passage from Senator Leahy's statement:
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I was once a prosecutor. I am now a Senator. But I have always been a fan of movies. My cameo in the latest Batman movie, The Dark Knight, was priceless to me, but we can put real numbers on the value of that production to the economy. The Dark Knight shot for 65 days in Chicago, pouring almost $36 million into the local economy. Seventeen million dollars went to nearly 800 local vendors that were critical to the production of the movie. For example, one local lumber supplier employing 40 people played a central role in the set construction that helped transform Chicago into the mythical ?Gotham City.? In order to fulfill the production needs of the film, the lumber company worked closely with 15 other Illinois-based companies. Those 15 suppliers employed an additional 350 workers.
All of that value is threatened by piracy. Just in the movie industry, piracy costs 140,000 U.S. jobs and $5.5 billion in wages each year. Piracy costs cities, towns and states an estimated $837 million in additional tax revenue each year. The movie industry alone produces $30.2 billion each year in revenue for 160,000 vendors all across the Nation, and 85 percent of those vendors employ 10 people or fewer.
The fact that he would pick the year's most successful movie to make his point about just goes to show how little he actually knows about the economics of the movie industry. Movies don't do poorly because of piracy. They do poorly because they're crap. The Dark Knight is a good movie that appeals to a broad audience so it's setting records. Other movies which are crap and/or appeal to a narrower audience don't do as well. Some of them even [gasp!] lose money. Guess Hollywood should make more good movies if they want to make more money. It's not a difficult equation.
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tefarko
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28. July 2008 @ 17:03 |
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two big industries in US have the strongest lobbies: weapons and entertainment...
so expect endless wars and tougher copyright laws from their emplo... er... from your politicians...
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28. July 2008 @ 17:10 |
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My god the movie has earned like over 350 Million in 10 days. When will corpo-rape-tions realize the obscene profits they are draining from the pockets of the very people that support them will ultimately destroy them. Piracy will continue to grow to a problem that no law can handle. In fact we are there now. DRMs are a joke and are stopping no one. Would love to know the price they will waste for putting the DRMs on "Dark Knight." Just sell the DVD for $5 and the profits will skyrocket. Either the day of it's release(my bet) or several days later it will be backupable.
The cesspool that is Congress- I won't even go there since politics is frowned upon. Edit
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28. July 2008 @ 17:33 |
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Wow, a Senator concerned about The Dark Knight's profitability? Why isn't he being investigated for bribery by the MPAA? *cough*
Its been 10 days since TDK's release. In that time it has smashed almost every record in terms of money made.
Its currently at just about $314 million brought in a time period of only 10 days. It's so good I have seen it 3 times. :P
Loosing money to piracy? Heck no, partially because the movie is awesome and partially because the current pirated versions probably suck with the movie having so many dark scenes.
Peace
EDITED by Pop_Smith: Woops, I said "$314 billion" instead of "$314 million".
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28. July 2008 @ 17:34 |
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The movie has ALREADY made 300 million and cost 180 million to make. That's 120 million PROFIT. Give me a GD break. Bite me with the "loss of money" crap. It hasn't lost money, it won't lose money and it's not losing any money. This is just a pre-emptive strike to implement another law or rule by using scare tactics. Kinda similar to Bush's sorry excuses and lies used to invade Iraq. Meritless!!
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28. July 2008 @ 18:04 |
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When are the MPAA, RIAA, and people going to realize that the vast majority of people who pirate movies, music, and software most likely would never have bought it in the first place. There is also a good percentage of people who download something illegally and realize that "Hey, this is pretty good" and end up going out to buy it. They may have never bought it if they didn't get to sample it in the first place. In my eyes it is kind of a wash.
I think the decline in movie profits and music proficts has a whole lot more to do with the crap that is being released and not so much to do with piracy. But they use piracy as a scapegoat.
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28. July 2008 @ 18:09 |
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Has this same "senator" ever seen the "black mamba of reaming" that the electors are gong to giver him next election..
probably not.. so long as he gets his 20 million worthless us $$ ass wiping paper for his connivance.. shit.. it even passed my spellchecker.. Open Source OS rules.. well :Pwned
edit because sernator passes whereas senator doesn't??? wtf is wit that mofos?.. looking at my edit it makes sense.. it don't object to mofo or wit but does have a problem with correct use of grammar an spelling.. ain't it the the truth. ooo.. now I'm gettin all bitchy...
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28. July 2008 @ 18:16 |
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I agree, personally i think the notion of piracy is retarded anyways. With movie tickets priced the way they are i could give a shat less about them potentially losing money which as we all know this flick didnt. i live in virginia and its $10.25 for a non-matinee and 8:50 for a matinee which is nuts. its 6 dollars for a large coke and 7 for a large popcorn. Everything is this world is basicaly marked up something fierce so i care less when i hear the government whining about piracy,theft and so forth. then you hear well thats why wages are low for workers is theft...wrong wages are low because companies are all about squeezing the most amount of work for the lowest amount of money.EVERRYTHING is rising in price but wages arent so they need to go elsewhere with all the complaining and scapegoat nonsense.I mean come on this is off topic but an extra topping on a pizza is like 2 bucks, thats small and trivial but its like that all over with retail so i just find it hard to buy that movie makers arent making money primarily because of piracy which by the way im too stupid to learn how to burn a flick.
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ikari
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28. July 2008 @ 18:16 |
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Don't take my word for it. Here's the entire passage from Senator Leahy's statement:
Verbal, I hope you didn't think I was insulting you. I actually was trying to say that you did a great job wording it.
Sorry about that. This article got me a little fired up. :-)
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28. July 2008 @ 18:45 |
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Quote:
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Don't take my word for it. Here's the entire passage from Senator Leahy's statement:
Verbal, I hope you didn't think I was insulting you. I actually was trying to say that you did a great job wording it.
Sorry about that. This article got me a little fired up. :-)
Not at all. I believe in questioning everything.
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28. July 2008 @ 19:42 |
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Movies are losing money to piracy... blah, blah, blah...
That's precisely why Vince McMahon and Mark Cuban are lining up to have their name on the producers credits. I'm sure making up to 30% return on an investment (ie. cheap film) has nothing to do with it...
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28. July 2008 @ 19:49 |
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Lets see, were in a quagmire in Iraq, spending billions a day on a useless war. Most of the U.S. is in a recession. Schools all over the U.S. are cutting programs from lack of funding. The dollar continues to weaken, and these dumb asses are concerned about copyright legislation? If there was ever any doubt in anyones mind, that the politicians and the entire political process were not controlled by corporate america, I think you can stop wondering.
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domie
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28. July 2008 @ 20:17 |
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mmm let's see - the stupid old turd has his incontinence pants in a twist because " my 1 second cameo is priceless to me " what role did he play ? a fart coming out of batman's arse ?
and of course Warner giving him a 1 second cameo and then this legislation coming out trumpeted by the senile old piece of offal is just pure coincidence isn't it ?
no wonder the rest of the world laughs at america so much
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29. July 2008 @ 00:47 |
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So lets increase the punishment great idea but until schools place blocking tech on there servers to block transfering of files this new law is crap.
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29. July 2008 @ 04:20 |
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@susieqbbb
I don't know where your coming from with that comment. Do you actually believe schools putting blocking tech on their servers will put a dent in piracy? Most students on a strapped budget wouldn't buy this stuff anyway, they may view and listen, but they're not the pirates. In fact, maybe if our government spent more money on education, instead of old politicians sitting around debating copyright legislation, students might have more money to spend on frivolous items.
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domie
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29. July 2008 @ 05:28 |
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On another related point - shouldn't he be investigated by a senate anti-corruption committee ?
I mean we've already established that he has dry orgasms humping his zimmer frame while watching his 1 second appearance in "Gotham Knight" 1,000 times over with the FF and REW buttons smoking with heat
Isn't this a clear example of abusing political influence and enacting political law to promote and protect what he himself has admitted are personal subjective interests ?
hell ! we are talking about a country where you can be sued millions for selling the wrong sized donut as a street vendor ( causing undue mental anguish ) - surely someone can get him ?
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29. July 2008 @ 05:31 |
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Originally posted by domie:
On another related point - shouldn't he be investigated by a senate anti-corruption committee ?
I mean we've already established that he has dry orgasms humping his zimmer frame while watching his 1 second appearance in "Gotham Knight" 1,000 times over with the FF and REW buttons smoking with heat
Isn't this a clear example of abusing political influence and enacting political law to promote and protect what he himself has admitted are personal subjective interests ?
hell ! we are talking about a country where you can be sued millions for selling the wrong sized donut as a street vendor ( causing undue mental anguish ) - surely someone can get him ?
tiz a shame comrade there is no treason in corruption anymore. =^^=
public officials need to be help to a much higher standard and to much sterner punishments...
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29. July 2008 @ 12:35 |
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Mr. Senator, I'm glad you are a movie buff. So am I. When I like a movie, I buy it if I can afford it.
Losing money in tax revenue? If people aren't spending money on movies, they are spending it on something else. And everything is taxed. The fabricated billions are incredible. They are essentially double-dipping for the sake of statistic numbers to make their case. Show me a list of all movies that have actually lost money (made zero profit and put Hollywood studios in debt). I want to see how large that list is.
Show me how those statistics are generated. Any High School grad could probably debunk their math. I'd love to see a college professor go at it.
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29. July 2008 @ 12:46 |
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is that the bribed senator in that picture, son of a b!tch looks like he is about fall out of his rocker in 5 years. why is it that we have old dumb as$es ruining it for the younger generation.
people are getting uneasy & pissed about the economy of the US, i can barely afford gas to get to and from work. im just waiting for the sh*t to hit the fan. i feel a revolt from the public in 3-5 years.
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29. July 2008 @ 18:24 |
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Did the good senator forget to mention that he was in the movie???
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29. July 2008 @ 23:58 |
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This is the same PATRICK LEAHY who flashed his personal collection of BOOTLEG Grateful Dead recordings in front of Ted Koppel's NIGHTLINE TV cameras, when Jerry Garcia died in 1995...
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30. July 2008 @ 10:11 |
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Originally posted by cousinkix:
This is the same PATRICK LEAHY who flashed his personal collection of BOOTLEG Grateful Dead recordings in front of Ted Koppel's NIGHTLINE TV cameras, when Jerry Garcia died in 1995...
Not quite the same thing, although certainly a good point when it comes to the music industry. The Grateful Dead allowed people to tape and distribute their shows as part of their business model. They made all their money off of merchandise and concert tickets, and given they were among the top grossing acts for a very long time it worked pretty well.
They're not bootlegs in the legal sense because the band gave their permission.
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