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American federal agents can now take your laptop, iPods without reason
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article published on 3 August, 2008
According to new border search policies disclosed by the Department of Homeland Security, federal agents may take your laptop or other media devices for an "unspecified" period of time even without any suspicion of wrongdoing, in an effort to "prevent terrorism."
Additionally, the officials may share any content of the laptop or device with other agencies or private companies for "language ... [ read the full article ]
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4. August 2008 @ 07:30 |
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it will be fun when they open US oil driling to opec and then wonder where all the oil goes...ah AmeriKa may your non national corporate masters rape you till all the end of time.
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subpopz
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4. August 2008 @ 08:29 |
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It looks like more and more that the American government can do whatever the hell it wants as long as it's 'in an effort to fight terrorism'.
It appears America is becoming less and less of a supposed free country.
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4. August 2008 @ 08:31 |
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Originally posted by subpopz:
It looks like more and more that the American government can do whatever the hell it wants as long as it's 'in an effort to fight terrorism'.
It appears America is becoming less and less of a supposed free country.
That makes the theories that the US government destroyed the 2 towers on porpuse look more real.
@13thHouR i told you before i wont argue with an idiot any more and i can see now that you are blind too.
if you read again you'll see that i said "they".
And to prove your stupidity you are the only one that didnt understand it and reacted.
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DSWarrior
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4. August 2008 @ 08:57 |
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Originally posted by L-Burna:
Sure they can have my laptop or ipod whatever etc...if they pay for it.I'm not going to give up any of my expensive electronics for free willingly they can go straight to hell.As for America being the country of the free,well lets just say that has been gone for awhile now.I wouldn't be suprised at how long America will last with all the price gouging and garbage laws being passed constantly not to mention America is selling its soul to other countries.Its going to come down to a point sometime in the future where a resistance against the government is inevitable.
That's the sad part...if the law prevails, they CAN do it, and not pay you a single penny...
Of course I wouldn't let them touch my expensive electronics...If they want them to charge me for a crime, I'll give them a good reason, beating up and probably ripping the head of anyone that confiscates my electronics for no good reason...
These people are stupid...terrorists live ahead of the law...if the law is trying to search hard drives and memory cards, well terrorists will probably have another whole new way of storing their data...Like swallowing flash drives and such...if they could fit cell phones on their asses, why can't they swallow a plastic flash drive to avoid being detected by magnets?...
And as someone above me stated, I don't know what's the big deal with all this. They knew that 911 was gonna happen and they did nothing....now they're willing to take away our freedom just to satisfy their electronics needs without paying. Besides if terrorist really want to do something big, they'd just remotely fire a nuclear bong into the US and that's that...no need to go through airports...
And even further...the biggest terrorist in the world have the the US and most of it's presidents...I don't mix with politics and/or politicians nor do i like talking about it, but most presidents including Bush are being menaces to the life of thousands of innocent people...
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4. August 2008 @ 09:49 |
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security does not equal freedom, if we want to have security then freedom(s) will be taken away.
Personally, I would just ship your laptop home via UPS atleast they have rules they have to follow. Don't you think the extremely smart and resourceful terrorist would figure it out.
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4. August 2008 @ 10:26 |
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well, this is for f*cking failure.
how many times will we exploit the word terrorism?
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pcman
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4. August 2008 @ 12:45 |
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Doesn't Going through people Medical Records break HIPAA laws?
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4. August 2008 @ 12:54 |
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HAH!
Russ Feingold.
What a HYPOCRITE!
He was instrumental in getting Clipper chip mainstreamed and his fingerprints are all over ECHELON.
Some privacy advocate he is.
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4. August 2008 @ 12:56 |
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Originally posted by c.trigger:
Hint: put all your terrorism documents on a usb drive and swallow like the hulk did or put it on a micro sd and stick it up you bum
That statement you typed seems like your aiming it towards me being a terrorist.
well it could also be your 'strange' p0rn or that awesome screen play your writing but you don't want any one to read until its done. or you 100s of MB of kenny G mp3s
Or it could also be saved taxes and credit card information... YOU KNOW THE TYPES OF DOCUMENTS A NORMAL COMPUTER HAS!
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4. August 2008 @ 13:10 |
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Originally posted by Ankoku:
what's wrong with this...If they stop one terrorist by doing this then its well worth the inconvenience...Im sorry if you're afraid of letting the government see your porn collection, but deal with it this is a new age and the govt has to adapt to keep us safe, deal with it, if you have nothing to hide, don't trip out, chances are your laptop will never be confiscated...and if you think these guys are incompetent then why dont you do the blasted job? If you wont then stop talking smack about people who are trying to make a living while keeping us safe...and defgod honestly, knock of the anarchist talk, if you're from the United States recognize that we pay the lowest taxes while still having some of the best social programs
would you please gives us a link showing how many "terrorists" were caught crossing the borders legally since 2001?
yopu sound just like an old inn keeper in Romania who hangs garlic on the door to scare the vampires away... when asked if he ever saw a vampire he said "no... because the garlic works!"
I bet they will be looking for downloaded songs & movies and will be rewarded by the RIAA/MPAA...
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4. August 2008 @ 13:20 |
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yup, im taking ur bottle away cuz it might be infected with milk..
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4. August 2008 @ 13:41 |
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If the government keep making more stupid laws like this,with the "security" excuse,people will get fed up and ultimately, they will rise up, and guess what??? They will be called terrorist! then whatever idiot is in charge of the whole security fiasco will say "you see? we were right, they WERE terrorist after all"....
....Hey, that´s actually a nice plot, sort of a prequel to "1984", call it "Big Brother Rising"..
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4. August 2008 @ 14:57 |
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Originally posted by Ankoku:
what's wrong with this...If they stop one terrorist by doing this then its well worth the inconvenience...Im sorry if you're afraid of letting the government see your porn collection, but deal with it this is a new age and the govt has to adapt to keep us safe, deal with it, if you have nothing to hide, don't trip out, chances are your laptop will never be confiscated...and if you think these guys are incompetent then why dont you do the blasted job? If you wont then stop talking smack about people who are trying to make a living while keeping us safe...and defgod honestly, knock of the anarchist talk, if you're from the United States recognize that we pay the lowest taxes while still having some of the best social programs
Lowest taxes and best social programs? To and for whom? I won't get into stereotypes, but the type of racial profiling that is discussed in this article are the same people who reep the rewards of "lower taxes, better social programs". It sounds like bigotry on my end, but all I can tell you is that I'm a born American citizen who loses 30% of my paycheck up front to taxes, then spends another 6-7% on sales taxes when I shop for goods or even higher rates when I fuel up my car, so I CAN commute to earn a living.
I do not benefit from any social programs and the few that I, or any of my friends have applied for, such as financial aid for education, just doesn't come easy for the middle America that largely support these programs with their sweat and blood. It's this same middle America that has to tolerate these ridiculous laws, all in favor of "fighting the war on terror." Our government has a huge deficit and is more worried about doing things abroad, then the issues facing us here. New Orleans anyone?
Then there are countless stupid laws meant to constrict my free time, such as DMCA, and jobs being shipped overseas. Also, I am legally not allowed to play online poker, because it "could fund terrorism", yet I could flip on my satellite tv any hour of the day and bet on horse racing. Once great companies like General Motors are now being crippled to the point where they may disappear. What the hell happened to this great nation of ours in the last few years?
I get intimidated and asked questions when trying to re-enter my OWN country from Canada, in 2002, 2003 and 2004. I guess my state issued driver's license and notarized birth certificate, both legal documents that can be traced and verified, aren't satisfactory enough: now I will have to shell out $100 or more to get a government issued passport. Now pile on the fact that they can search and seize pretty much anything they want at the border. The last thing I need to worry about is lying about whether I've been in/out of the country enough to qualify for the Duty Free.
I'm sorry, I may support our troops, but I don't support our wars. They make terrorism out to be like the school yard bully, hunting you down for your lunch money, until you pop him once with your fist, and everyone realizes that he's not as tough as he said he was. We as Americans need to grow up and learn to take matters into our own hands instead of crying "poor me" and whining to have someone else take care of it for us. Otherwise the bullies will keep bullying us and we'll just keep taking it where it hurts.
Oh hell, I didn't even get started on the NRA and our right to bear arms. That's for another discussion.
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4. August 2008 @ 16:38 |
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Originally posted by DSWarrior:
...swallowing flash drives and such...
Or simply uploading all your data to internet?
Or Originally posted by japhy:
I would just ship your laptop home via UPS
Pretty simple. I don't see any big problem here.
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4. August 2008 @ 16:46 |
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I'm so glad that I recently moved to Canada, at least people up here stir up a shitstorm when crap like this happens. This is just one more thing to make border travel even more horrible than it already is (yes, that IS possible). No more taking my laptop or personal paperwork across the border, except for my passport. It is looking like "unreasonable paranoia" isn't so unreasonable after all... Yet another way that the constitution is being shat upon by the government that it created.
@SProdigy: I hate to break it to you, but getting a passport will not prevent them from hassling you.
The one piece of advice i have for anyone who wants to cross the border is to be compliant, but not helpful. Don't offer information unless you are asked for it, and don't offer to let them search your vehicle unless asked. I know it seems counter intuitive, but those behaviors will only cause problems. And for those who ask, yes, i did find these rules out the hard way.
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what's wrong with this...If they stop one terrorist by doing this then its well worth the inconvenience...Im sorry if you're afraid of letting the government see your porn collection, but deal with it this is a new age and the govt has to adapt to keep us safe, deal with it, if you have nothing to hide, don't trip out, chances are your laptop will never be confiscated...and if you think these guys are incompetent then why dont you do the blasted job? If you wont then stop talking smack about people who are trying to make a living while keeping us safe...and defgod honestly, knock of the anarchist talk, if you're from the United States recognize that we pay the lowest taxes while still having some of the best social programs
The problem is that free countries are inherently insecure to start with. The only way to provide security is to take away the freedoms that security is supposed to protect. Maybe next time, the gestapo will be kicking in our doors in the middle of the night to rifle through whatever we may have, and "extraordinarily render" us to a place where they will proceed to "humanely interrogate" us. Personally, i would rather have all of my rights intact, and take the chance of being killed in the terrorist attack. I would say the odds are in my favor (2750 killed on sept. 11 out of 300,000,000 in the country, as opposed to 300,000,000 out of 300,000,000 people being screwed out of their constitutional rights).
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4. August 2008 @ 17:52 |
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Originally posted by Ankoku:
what's wrong with this...If they stop one terrorist by doing this then its well worth the inconvenience...
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin
IOW, sorry but you've been brainwashed by GWB.
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4. August 2008 @ 18:06 |
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I have a better one for you...
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"If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest for freedom - go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or arms, crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you, may your chains set lightly upon you, and may our posterity forget that you were ever our country men." - Samuel Adams
.. do you know who he is?
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dnotor
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4. August 2008 @ 18:16 |
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Originally posted by varnull:
I have a better one for you...
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"If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest for freedom - go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or arms, crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you, may your chains set lightly upon you, and may our posterity forget that you were ever our country men." - Samuel Adams
.. do you know who he is?
Well yeah; a good message to your politicians who have completely forgotten the ideas your country has been built on. Sad state of things to see; once upon a time USA has been a model of democracy for European countries, not it's trying to export totalitarianism worldwide - in the name of the "holy war" against terrorism. :=(
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4. August 2008 @ 18:37 |
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A little different view. Did the MPAA and the RIAA pay for this law for another way to stop piracy. They have deep pockets and alot of money to give to politicans. Think about it!
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varnull
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4. August 2008 @ 18:48 |
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Actually I'm struggling to see what point you are making.. The people who wrote the constitution were trying to build a better democracy that the one that gave them no vote and treated them like slaves and property. US democracy was not the model for most European democracies.. they decided what they wanted for themselves, strangely enough mostly well before 1945. Like most Americans you seem to be lacking in the basics of world history before 1946.. before the USA decided it owned the world.
We didn't dance in the streets the day the USAF packed it's bags and got the hell off our soil, but we damn well should have!!! We now owe you nothing.. not a sausage.. we have "paid our ally" the financial debts of WW2.. now we just need to finish paying the jew bankers in the Bank of England for helping us defeat Napoleon.. Then we can have a proper revolution and be free of these Stalinist autocrats once and for all..
This "war on terrorism" is a lie.. it's the biggest lie of modern times, along with the "you are free people"
We can fight our own wars thanks.. http://wiganbnp.blogspot.com/2008/06/com...e-magazine.html
Good news!.. the chocolate ration has been increased to 20 grammes...So who is winning this week?.. Eastasia or Oceania?
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dnotor
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4. August 2008 @ 19:17 |
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Originally posted by markw53:
A little different view. Did the MPAA and the RIAA pay for this law for another way to stop piracy. They have deep pockets and alot of money to give to politicans. Think about it!
Well LOL, they don't need this, noone's smuggling movies and music on their laptops across physical borders when they can do the same much easier and faster across the electronic ones... ;-)
Originally posted by varnull:
Actually I'm struggling to see what point you are making.. The people who wrote the constitution were trying to build a better democracy that the one that gave them no vote and treated them like slaves and property.
And nowadays they find themselves to be slaves again who can be deprived of their property at will and without any justification. Really still don't see my point?
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SProdigy
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4. August 2008 @ 19:44 |
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Originally posted by drach:
@SProdigy: I hate to break it to you, but getting a passport will not prevent them from hassling you.
Actually I must've come off the wrong way. I was whining about how we have to go through more hoops now for what was once an "open" border. Funny, I don't see Canadians running into Montana overnight and giving birth to "American" citizens so they can obtain legal rights to services available to "every" American!
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4. August 2008 @ 20:19 |
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I read the policies. One of the reasons customs wants to search computers is to look for "information in violation of copyright or trademark laws". Maybe if you play bootleg copies of songs backwards you can hear "violent jihadist" slogans. Oh my, they're everywhere! They're all around us! Run for your lives!
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redux79
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4. August 2008 @ 21:02 |
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Well the bush administration only has a couple of months to go, hopefully all of these scare tactics that violate our personal liberty's will eventually be remedied.
If the downward spiral continues then a 1984 type scenario really isn't all that far fetched.
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4. August 2008 @ 21:16 |
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Originally posted by redux79:
Well the bush administration only has a couple of months to go, hopefully all of these scare tactics that violate our personal liberty's will eventually be remedied.
If the downward spiral continues then a 1984 type scenario really isn't all that far fetched.
Sharp as an orange.
Maybe you should do a little research: keywords "Clinton" and "Copyright".
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