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American federal agents can now take your laptop, iPods without reason
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article published on 3 August, 2008
According to new border search policies disclosed by the Department of Homeland Security, federal agents may take your laptop or other media devices for an "unspecified" period of time even without any suspicion of wrongdoing, in an effort to "prevent terrorism."
Additionally, the officials may share any content of the laptop or device with other agencies or private companies for "language ... [ read the full article ]
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redux79
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4. August 2008 @ 21:33 |
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Well the bush administration only has a couple of months to go, hopefully all of these scare tactics that violate our personal liberty's will eventually be remedied.
If the downward spiral continues then a 1984 type scenario really isn't all that far fetched.
Sharp as an orange.
Maybe you should do a little research: keywords "Clinton" and "Copyright".
I didn't mention clinton, if you didn't like him then I?m fine with that. I'm sure he did plenty of things that were not in the best interest of the people. That being said I'm sure anything he did pales in comparison to what the bush administration has managed to shove down our throats in the past 8 years.
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4. August 2008 @ 21:42 |
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Its more like congress should be the ones to fear not exactly the president.The president can bring up laws,but congress is actually at fault on the decision to pass this ridiculous law.You all know that congress has more power than the president when it comes to passing laws right?
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4. August 2008 @ 21:53 |
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It is so terribly depressing travelling through the bloggosphere and visiting places on the Internet. So many ideas, so many discussions, so much talk! Yet everything sooner or later disappears as if through a black hole or gets drowned in the babble of voices struggling to be heard (including this one!). There is nothing left. No light! Most of us remain if not as ignorant, at least as impotent in the face of the challenges and threats we face today and those we will be facing tomorrow, as when we first embarked on this "electronic" search for a better world. Blogging, as it is presently, is indeed a very passive activity but it has a dark side to it also in that it lulls us into a false sense of comfort and satisfaction. I am thinking that perhaps there is a need for more "active" blogging. Not that discussion and pondering and ranting are no longer useful and should be thrown on the scrap heap. What if along with all that there was also sharing of the concrete actions that one is taking in one's own particular life for the advancement of a better world. For example, along with ranting against the big bad US invading Iraq for oil, why not also add what one is doing PERSONALLY to reduce one's own oil consumption - SUV or hybrid? What group have we joined and what concrete steps is it taking for a better world? How can others join? I fear that unless we learn of creative ways - or share them if we already have them - to transform today's "echo chambers" (which is what the Internet and the bloggosphere for the most part have become) into some kind of "launching pads" towards real activism in the real world, we will remain trapped with each other, albeit in a "wonderful world of intelligent discourse", talking to each other, across each other, about what we should be doing or what we should be thinking, instead of going out there and really tackling the problems. It would be interesting, for example, to have on this site maybe a listing (or links to listings) of TRUE activism (community, grassroots) instead of COUNTERFEIT activism (corporate-backed or government-backed activism disguised as the former !). In other words, action (and ideas always of course!) but not just talk. Talk is cheap! We can't afford it anymore!
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4. August 2008 @ 22:34 |
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5. August 2008 @ 00:02 |
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So basically I get bombarded for trying to support a govt I think works relatively well...I'm a college student with 50+ grand of debt, but I bust my ass and pay my taxes so that the majority of ppl aren't starving...All anyone can do is complain about the government, but we need it...How about this law...If the government feels like it, they can take your house...where's the uproar!?!?!? HUH? Anybody? Oh wait, maybe its because its been around for 200+ years...If you weren't doing anything illegal on your laptop you wouldn't be worried...but oh no, its all the RIAA trying to catch you! god forbid!
And Tefarko,
Im sorry that those vampires didnt kill 2700 people, terrorism is real! ACCEPT IT and may we all pray for those we lost on Sept 11
I'll make one more point, if you're on this website, you really don't think the government can be seeing everything on your computer right now? cmon ppl, shit or get off the pot, deal with it or do something about
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5. August 2008 @ 00:26 |
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Originally posted by japhy:
security does not equal freedom, if we want to have security then freedom(s) will be taken away.
There is no threat, internal or external, to this country that can possibly justify setting aside the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Without our Constitutional guarantees, the United States will cease to exist. We will be no more than a large, dangerous, banana republic run by a dictator armed with many "weapons of mass destruction."
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5. August 2008 @ 01:36 |
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security does not equal freedom, if we want to have security then freedom(s) will be taken away.
There is no threat, internal or external, to this country that can possibly justify setting aside the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Without our Constitutional guarantees, the United States will cease to exist. We will be no more than a large, dangerous, banana republic run by a dictator armed with many "weapons of mass destruction."
Well I see at least a few people agree with me. And Ankoku how dumb are you really? So you're a college student with 50+ grand in debt. Big whoop. How can anyone not believe that our government either just let 9/11 happen or committed it themselves. I pay my taxes too. My federal My state My local My sales and lord knows what else they will come up with. And our national debt more than $8,000,000,000,000. Where does all of our "tax" money go? "The majority of people aren't starving" again I ask how dumb are you? Does anyone have a count on the amount of homeless people there are in this once great country. No one really does. And a government that works relatively well. Take your G*D D*MN blinders off will you. "If the government feels like it, they can take your house" Now watch what you say that sounds like communism to me. Oh and anything illegal. well lets see I have 9,000+ mp3's on my PC. About half of them downloaded. The other half is a mix of my own purchased CD rips and those of personal friends. I also have 418 downloaded movies on my PC. I also download about two per day. And I also own around 300 DVD's. Oh and 65 GIG of TV shows at around 350Mb or less a piece. You do the math there. I don't own a laptop anymore. Didn't have the need for one. But I do have mp3 players and a cellphone with a memory card. I could give a rats ass if the government can see any I have. But they will have to kill me to get their hands on any of the five I own and use on a daily basis. And my moded XBOX including my five external hard drives. All behind three firewalls. Two hardware and one software. Yes I'm a pirate I don't care. My 51yr old mother downloads music and movies as well. Does she see anything wrong with it. Hell no! She knows because I've informed her that the artists make a majority of their money on tour. Not through record/cd sales. And the actors get paid weather the movie does great or bombs. RIIA AND MPAA=labels and studios.
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5. August 2008 @ 05:00 |
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Originally posted by Ankoku:
So basically I get bombarded for trying to support a govt I think works relatively well...I'm a college student with 50+ grand of debt, but I bust my ass and pay my taxes so that the majority of ppl aren't starving...All anyone can do is complain about the government, but we need it...How about this law...If the government feels like it, they can take your house...where's the uproar!?!?!? HUH? Anybody? Oh wait, maybe its because its been around for 200+ years...If you weren't doing anything illegal on your laptop you wouldn't be worried...but oh no, its all the RIAA trying to catch you! god forbid!
And Tefarko,
Im sorry that those vampires didnt kill 2700 people, terrorism is real! ACCEPT IT and may we all pray for those we lost on Sept 11
I'll make one more point, if you're on this website, you really don't think the government can be seeing everything on your computer right now? cmon ppl, shit or get off the pot, deal with it or do something about
Protection against unwarranted search and seizure is our 4th amendment. Why doesn't it offend you that this is being violated? Why are you so quick to give up your freedom? Your response sounds like an emotional one based in fear. Fear that if we don't give up our freedom that we won't be safe. Without freedom, none of us are safe. And since you invoked 9/11--the more freedom Americans surrender, as a result of the attack, the more those terrorists won.
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5. August 2008 @ 08:31 |
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To the guy who thinks this is ok since he isnt doing anything illegal....Well I dont do anything illegal in my house but I still dont want the Government to come in and look around anytime they want just because they think i might be doing something illegal...this isnt China we are supposed to be protected from illegal search without just cause...so this law basically says F-that to the constitution.
if you didnt know this existed since Bush and the government have walked all over it since 911
* Fourth Amendment ? Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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5. August 2008 @ 09:11 |
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So... remember the "none of the above" option next time you vote eh? Without the option to refuse all the candidates there can be no free democracy.
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5. August 2008 @ 12:57 |
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Originally posted by Ankoku:
And Tefarko,
Im sorry that those vampires didnt kill 2700 people, terrorism is real! ACCEPT IT and may we all pray for those we lost on Sept 11
jeez... it´s not about vampires or terrorists, it´s about your flawed logic... but I am not surprised at all, people like you let Bush & his cronies start the corporation wars, where only the defense and oil industries win...
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5. August 2008 @ 19:13 |
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I shouldn't do this but I just had to add to the idiocy!!!
What part of government do you people NOT understand?? Do you really think that GWB runs this country or is it possibly the rest of the government that passes these insane laws that we have to follow as US citizens!!! I'm a born and bread American, more rightly Texas and of course US patriot!!! It doesn't meant that I accept or like all the laws that I live under but it seems there isn't a BETTER place to go atm.... OF course my choices are very limited since I only speak English but it also seems that most of the world knows how to speak it. I wonder why?? Is it because of the Empirical nature of the US?, NAH; the tyrannical nature?, NAH; how bout the search for world domination?, NAH!!!!!
So what is it?? You guys seem so smart as to know exactly what the country is doing and why it's running the way it is.... Do you all live here?? (the USA of course) OR do you just thro rotten fruit at something you don't know anything about?? /me is guessing the second option.... ROFL...
Name a country that is perfect and I'll name the flaws at what they govern by. They all have flaws but it seems they all have citizens that love them. Who loves their country of origin?? And if you don't then why not?? Did you move out?? Or do you just sit in a cesspool of your own pity and do nothing about it. Take proper action DON'T do something foolish like taking peoples lives.... What good does that do?? We all have to live on this planet whether we like it or not. Something to think about for sure.....
NOW on to the topic at hand....
Do you people really think the US government is gonna take your precious little lappy?? LOL. I think not as long as nothing seems suspicious about it. If they start taking devices as you people seem to think then the LAWYERS of this country and others will have a complete field day with law suites!!! NOW if you wanna do the world a favor then find a way to do away with about oh let's say 100% of the lawyers and then the governments which we run under and the countries we live under will be even better than they already are, of course assuming you hate lawyers and like the country you live in already. lol.
MORE to come later .... :P
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5. August 2008 @ 19:31 |
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Well the fact of the matter is if they wanted to check my laptop or any electronic device they could do it without reason with this law is crap.The government has hackers,and can monitor phone calls already which makes me think how much privacy are we going to have later on.I like having my privacy,and if its going to be stripped away from me then its not the country I predicted.Its being stripped away from us in very small stages and most people don't realise it.I don't put all the blame on the president as congress is just as much to blame for this law being passed.I live in America,and yes I'm starting to get fed up with price gouging and laws that go against my privacy.If my electronics are taken away from me without reason then I will make sure they know what a terrorist is like it is as simple as that.I'm not going to say its definately going to happen to me,but if it does then yeah I'm not going to stand by and let them take what I have worked for away from me.If it is illegal then so be it,but I'm not going to stand with a thumb up my arse and let them do it.
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5. August 2008 @ 20:52 |
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what's wrong with this...If they stop one terrorist by doing this then its well worth the inconvenience...
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin
IOW, sorry but you've been brainwashed by GWB.
This article, along with the 'Patriot Act', a war with a country whose village elders simply asked for evidence before extraditing O. bin Laden, a war with an oil-rich country for no apparent reason, innumerable violations of the letter and spirit of our constitution by the one who swore to protect it - all of these things I was thinking of using to illustrate how a perceived threat has, historically, been used to induce people to request, from fear, their liberties be taken away. The non-existent 'Jewish threat' in Nazi Germany is one of the few examples everyone knows of. Our country was to serve as an example of people who religiously defended every liberty they originally fought and died for.
All but a handful of people in the World would have condoned the criminal act of 9/11. What was needed then was to convince the World. This was an opportunity for the US to model its response upon that of the Scots during the bombing of a Pan Am airliner, and create a World-wide cooperation among law-enforcement agencies and everyday people to permit terrorists no place to hide. All of this I have really no need to expand upon, for the above quote says it all.
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5. August 2008 @ 21:25 |
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Well, George W. may not ultimately run the country, but he does have the final say on these bills and could've easily vetoed...
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5. August 2008 @ 22:06 |
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This is directed to Ankoku,the young college student from Texas so proud and puffed up with hubris: What the hell are you learning down there in Texas and what college do you attend? I want to make sure none of my friends waste so much money going there or send their children there. You paid 50,000 devalued republican dollars to learn to act like a little lamb being led to the slaughter house? Have you ever visited another country other than to find a cheap whore or get drunk? Jeeze I wish we could just say you dumbf....rs won the war against Lincoln and you can go back to the glory days of slavery and ignorance.
BTW, I was born in the US but fortunately opened my mind through travel and education. Now when I travel abroad I put Canadian flags on my luggage to hide my true identity. Yes I am ashamed to admit that I share the same country you numbskulls hijacked and destroyed.
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5. August 2008 @ 22:30 |
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Everybody needs to stop what they are doing and pick up a copy of George Orwell's book 1984. Upon completion, look at the current conditions of Life in America. Is this book really fiction? It doesn't seem so any more...
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5. August 2008 @ 22:36 |
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How many more posts will be allowed before this one's closed? Freedoms are lost every day around the world in every country. Get used to it cause it's not going to stop.
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5. August 2008 @ 23:55 |
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this is why ppl invented truecrypt it is uncrackable unless any1 has the password
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6. August 2008 @ 00:03 |
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Originally posted by redux79:
Well the bush administration only has a couple of months to go, hopefully all of these scare tactics that violate our personal liberty's will eventually be remedied.
If the downward spiral continues then a 1984 type scenario really isn't all that far fetched.
Oppression never reduces. The technical term is that it is a "monotonically increasing function" or sequence or what-have-you.
The "War On Drugs", originated by G.H.W.Bush as Acting Head of CIA under Ronald Reagan via Iran-Contra Guns-For-Drugs where Cocaine transported from South/Central America in CIA aircraft and sold on the streets of Los Angeles for cash to buy guns from Iran for reshipment to the South/Central American "Freedom Fighters" [terrorists] wasn't working fast enough, so his son G.W. sped things up by starting WW III.
The best we can hope for is that the oppression only increases marginally in our own lifetime. Our kids are f**ked...
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Originally posted by tucker001:
this is why ppl invented truecrypt it is uncrackable unless any1 has the password
That just means they will keep it well forever. Because they can keep it as long as they see fit.
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this is why ppl invented truecrypt it is uncrackable unless any1 has the password
That just means they will keep it well forever. Because they can keep it as long as they see fit.
I guess the original writer is too young to remember the U.S. Government making it a felony to own or attempt to purchase the original PGP because it was essentially uncrackable in real time. Truecrypt has FBI-verified back doors, or it would NOT be lawful for U.S. citizens to own or use. Bet on it.
I used to work for the phone company. 90% of the electronics hardware you pay for, has no function other than to allow the FBI to instantly tap-in and eavesdrop any call made to or from any phone in the entire country. They don't even share. You have to pay separately for separate 911-Operator trace hardware. (Now you know why your phone bill may be higher than your electric bill.~)
We of the U.S. have a telescope pointing outwards searching the heavens. We have over a thousand pointing inwards, spying on our own slaves... er, citizens.
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6. August 2008 @ 01:57 |
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Originally posted by SProdigy:
Well, George W. may not ultimately run the country, but he does have the final say on these bills and could've easily vetoed...
Yeaah, I guess you're right... GW doesn't always have the final say. Dick Cheney usually has some input too, Despite that GW's old man is a lifetime Director of the CIA, he (GW) still sometimes has to get the OK from Halliburton Industries or Dick Cheney. (re: "Cheney's War", PBS).
I won't comment on the unexploded ordinance found in the buildings beside the twin towers, or the Fire Marshall who reported it and then died of a "heart attack" the same day...
http://www.onderzoek911.nl/media/tijdsch...what_expl.shtml
Or the "footprint" of the Pentagon-hit being only 8 feet across, the size of a small private aircraft's fuselage, or a missile, instead of a Boeing 757...
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
or TWA 800, admittedly shot down by a Navy missile, but denied by the government.
http://www.cnn.com/US/9703/13/twa/
or Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, firing at least 3 shots, from at least 3 different locations, within 3 seconds.
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6. August 2008 @ 02:19 |
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It gets more and more hilarious... the yanks are just diggin their own grave deeper and deeper... they should've remove that clown out of the oval office many moons ago, not he has put the country in the arse of $450bn+ debt from $100bn + surplus at the time he took over, got thousands of punters killed for nothing, basically subserving his and his cronies interests, sutffed up his country image worldwide and they just continue down the path of self mutilation. I have no time for the sheer stupidity of the administration and their agenda... The folk in the country are just as brain washed as in any of the backward society with sharia laws or in China or any other communist enclave for that matter... scaremongerin' bunch of crooks...
PS: No personal or racist attack meant...
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