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American federal agents can now take your laptop, iPods without reason
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article published on 3 August, 2008
According to new border search policies disclosed by the Department of Homeland Security, federal agents may take your laptop or other media devices for an "unspecified" period of time even without any suspicion of wrongdoing, in an effort to "prevent terrorism."
Additionally, the officials may share any content of the laptop or device with other agencies or private companies for "language ... [ read the full article ]
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6. August 2008 @ 03:18 |
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So much for the US being the land of the free!
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6. August 2008 @ 08:20 |
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Originally posted by data2000:
PS: No personal or racist attack meant...
That's a complete LAUGH!!!!! This thread is just that!! It's what most people that live outside the USA like to do.... I've seen it in this thread along with some of the others that deal with "slightly political" slants. BTW I didn't know we could talk about politics here???? hmmmmmmm... learn something new every day!!!
I'm NOT saying the USA is perfect. As a matter of fact it's far from it!!! If things keep going the way they are going it's only gonna get worse. Both parties of the government are fighting against each other for their own agenda, NOT taking into account the needs of the people. NO I'm NOT talking about nationalized health care, the poor, or even the under-privileged!! Those are separate issues all together and NEED to be addressed by a government that doesn't see it's citizens as INCOME!!!!! I'm completely exhausted with paying taxes for people that ARE NOT willing to work like I do, having children beyonds their abilities, housing criminals, politicians (which are criminals too...lol), aid for this or that, and the list goes on!!!!!
Do you really think the NEW administration will be able to make it better??? I think NOT. OF course I'm talking about Obama!! What a joke that guy is........ ROFLMAOPIMP!!!! He wants to INCREASE taxes for the poor, the under-privileged, and whoever doesn't want to work for themselves. LOL. From what I understand England is in a similar situation and the general population that support that country is fed up with it too..... Is this true?? I want responses from the working class or the people that actually support that country. NOT the younger crowd as I think they haven't had the opportunity to suffer as the older crowd has... lol. ;)
Since we're WAY OFF TOPIC here I'll let this thread "lie" as it is and go on my merry way. You people continue your BASH of the USA and have a nice day!!!!
....the GM
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6. August 2008 @ 11:54 |
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To me: More and more Homeland Security looks like Hitler's SS!
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6. August 2008 @ 13:00 |
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PeteBB you don't see at as Marxism or Communism?? ;) I could go on more and more but it seems this thread is OT to me. :P If you are as old as you say you are it's at least refreshing to see someone "experienced" post... lol.
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6. August 2008 @ 13:02 |
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Originally posted by data2000:
PS: No personal or racist attack meant...
That's a complete LAUGH!!!!! This thread is just that!! It's what most people that live outside the USA like to do.... I've seen it in this thread along with some of the others that deal with "slightly political" slants. BTW I didn't know we could talk about politics here???? hmmmmmmm... learn something new every day!!!
I'm NOT saying the USA is perfect. As a matter of fact it's far from it!!! If things keep going the way they are going it's only gonna get worse. Both parties of the government are fighting against each other for their own agenda, NOT taking into account the needs of the people. NO I'm NOT talking about nationalized health care, the poor, or even the under-privileged!! Those are separate issues all together and NEED to be addressed by a government that doesn't see it's citizens as INCOME!!!!! I'm completely exhausted with paying taxes for people that ARE NOT willing to work like I do, having children beyonds their abilities, housing criminals, politicians (which are criminals too...lol), aid for this or that, and the list goes on!!!!!
Do you really think the NEW administration will be able to make it better??? I think NOT. OF course I'm talking about Obama!! What a joke that guy is........ ROFLMAOPIMP!!!! He wants to INCREASE taxes for the poor, the under-privileged, and whoever doesn't want to work for themselves. LOL. From what I understand England is in a similar situation and the general population that support that country is fed up with it too..... Is this true?? I want responses from the working class or the people that actually support that country. NOT the younger crowd as I think they haven't had the opportunity to suffer as the older crowd has... lol. ;)
Since we're WAY OFF TOPIC here I'll let this thread "lie" as it is and go on my merry way. You people continue your BASH of the USA and have a nice day!!!!
....the GM
You have a point I think both parties are a complete mess,and the solution to the problem is bring in another party.A party that doesn't focus on the rich or the poor,but the middle class.The problem is both parties Reps and Dems know they only have to deal with each other,another party doesn't even cross their mind.I don't think having Obama in office would be a good thing either,considering he doesn't even know how many states are in America.He slips up every now and then with racial slurs the guy is an idiot bottom line.
The views expressed in the media are miss interpreted for other countries.Its mainly dirt that is brought up and there is no mention of some of the good things we do for other countries.Its a mess no doubt about it,and I don't see it being fixed anytime soon with a 10 billion dollar defecet.The dollar is a piece of crap,and used to be something back in the day.When it comes to politics vote for a candidate that doesn't try to screw you the hardest,because the candidates we can choose from are a joke.
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6. August 2008 @ 13:37 |
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Just remember to INFLATE those tires now!
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6. August 2008 @ 14:13 |
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Quite frankly, there is now no effin way I'm nipping over to NY to do my Christmas shopping if every storage device I have is liable to this.
Can't live without my phone, lappie and mp3 player. You lose out on some extra bucks......Then again, I have a sneaking suspicion that I'd be the wrong racial profile to be a suspect. This all sucks big time and I'm letting all my friends know about this - friends that spend money in The States. No more Euros for you.
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6. August 2008 @ 14:23 |
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http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/08...ressure-debate/ yeah and I wonder who would actually buy an Obama tire gauge engraved with "Obama's energy plan" haha lol.I wonder how do they know my tires are not inflated properly.Hell a tire gauge isn't something new everybody uses them.That was a good one garmoon props for bringing that up.
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6. August 2008 @ 14:27 |
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How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.
- Adolf Hitler
The art of leadership... consists in consolidating the attention of the people against a single adversary and taking care that nothing will split up that attention.
-Adolf Hitler
"Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: First a right to life, secondly to liberty, and thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can." --i]Samuel Adams[/i]
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6. August 2008 @ 14:30 |
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Originally posted by garmoon:
Just remember to INFLATE those tires now!
Maybe the most intelligent statement in the enTIRE posting here. ROFL.. :)
.....gm
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Originally posted by varnull:
How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.
- Adolf Hitler
The art of leadership... consists in consolidating the attention of the people against a single adversary and taking care that nothing will split up that attention.
-Adolf Hitler
Seriously whats your point with these A. Hitler statements?? They make NO sense and to even try to compare the USA with Nazi Germany is ludicrous to say the least. I guess that I'm one of the CATTLE that the rest of the world talks about especially the Euros and in particular the Brits... ROFL... Well have your fun.......
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6. August 2008 @ 14:42 |
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Thanks for providing some educated support greensman, I really appreciate it, seeing as how these individuals seem to have little understanding, and to mr. "I'm going to leave the U.S. for Canada" lets set some things straight, I am not from Texas, that would be GM, and I attend Whittier College, one of the most liberal colleges in the US, and I don't see how anything I have said relates to the Civil War or slavery, and it is completely ludicrous to relate the US being able to search your laptop to slavery, and that is all I will say about that because you waste my time with that assertion...
I also don't understand how this is flawed logic, the fact is, terrorism exists and in order to keep ourselves safe, we must forfeit some freedoms, and I personally feel like giving up my laptop isn't that big of a deal if it means I'm a little more protected.
Frankly, they aren't taking your homes, its just your computer, and although you all might be married to the damn thing, it shouldn't really matter all that much to you...
On a final note, I enjoy how everyone seems to commit themselves to all the propaganda they find on the internet...Guess what, our friends in the United Kingdom and throughout Europe pay at least twice as much for gasoline as we do...Government hardly controls the cost of oil, rather it is OPEC and investors, if you would all just take some time to watch the market you would understand this...honestly
L-Burna...you scare me, period.- "If my electronics are taken away from me without reason then I will make sure they know what a terrorist is like it is as simple as that"
And you ALL need to stop bringing in the Hitler quotes and relations STOP NOW, idiots!
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You can think what you want.. We see the parallels too clearly as we have not yet been brainwashed by the corrupt.
By the time you stupid people see what is going on you will have nothing left, and no way back.
Great men wrote that piece of paper you wave around. It wasn't so much a statement of revolution as a way to avoid one in the future. They were aware of what was happening in France and were trying to avert what will come in America now one day because of the path chosen by the rich and greedy of oppression. Continue being subservient and meek.. I can tell you.. the meek shall inherit bugger all.. because the rich and greedy won't let them have any.
Maybe if you lot had ever had your borders threatened by a totalitarian regime.. or had some bombs fall from the skies, or had the jack boots of the enemy stamping in your streets and kicking down your doors you would see these despots for what they really are, instead of seeing them from what they tell you.
Obviously it is a sad day when a real Nazi like me has to educate so called "free men" on the values of liberty. Liberty and freedom are non negotiable.. you either have them or you don't.
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And you ALL need to stop bringing in the Hitler quotes and relations STOP NOW, idiots!
Refuse to learn the lessons of history, and be doomed to repeat them over and over. Hitler is a great example..
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Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator - by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.
.. you can substitute jew for terrorist, arab, north korean.. any person or nation you want. and doesn't it sound just like our leaders right now?? Fear xxxxxxx because they are evil.. live in fear, trust only us, We are the truth, and they are the lie...
go on.. lesson over.. you can stick your heads back up your a$$es now ;)
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Originally posted by greensman:
Originally posted by garmoon:
Just remember to INFLATE those tires now!
Maybe the most intelligent statement in the enTIRE posting here. ROFL.. :)
.....gm
I second that it was a really good post and is the most intelligent one by far.
@Ankoku I don't consider you being better than anybody else just because you go to Whittier College.You should go to a college that doesn't brainwash you,instead of buying into all the government BS you need a mind of your own.If its a law that invades my privacy I'm against it,and always will be.The government has plenty of methods already for terrorism,and this law is garbage.I do agree with you on the Hitler quotes though they are out of proportion.
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Originally posted by varnull:
You can think what you want.. We see the parallels too clearly as we have not yet been brainwashed by the corrupt.
By the time you stupid people see what is going on you will have nothing left, and no way back.
Great men wrote that piece of paper you wave around. It wasn't so much a statement of revolution as a way to avoid one in the future. They were aware of what was happening in France and were trying to avert what will come in America now one day because of the path chosen by the rich and greedy of oppression. Continue being subservient and meek.. I can tell you.. the meek shall inherit bugger all.. because the rich and greedy won't let them have any.
Maybe if you lot had ever had your borders threatened by a totalitarian regime.. or had some bombs fall from the skies, or had the jack boots of the enemy stamping in your streets and kicking down your doors you would see these despots for what they really are, instead of seeing them from what they tell you.
Obviously it is a sad day when a real Nazi like me has to educate so called "free men" on the values of liberty. Liberty and freedom are non negotiable.. you either have them or you don't.
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And you ALL need to stop bringing in the Hitler quotes and relations STOP NOW, idiots!
Refuse to learn the lessons of history, and be doomed to repeat them over and over. Hitler is a great example..
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Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator - by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.
.. you can substitute jew for terrorist, arab, north korean.. any person or nation you want. and doesn't it sound just like our leaders right now?? Fear xxxxxxx because they are evil.. live in fear, trust only us, We are the truth, and they are the lie...
go on.. lesson over.. you can stick your heads back up your a$$es now ;)
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/4/689084#4196101 ← remember what happens in Room 101 XD
Whoa varnull I think you went a little too far how can you substitute a jew for a terrorist? A terrorist is a broad term meaning it could be any nationality.I don't think Hitler's mind was right and I still don't till this day.I can consider his war strategy genius,but I don't agree with what he did.Hitler started war over race and the war we are in right now is over terrorism completely different.
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The war we are in now is over oil and has been all along. Do you you think we would give a flip over the middle east sand box if it weren't loaded with oil. Afghanistan is where the terrorism originated but they didn't have any oil so the war was moved conveniently to protect (control)the oil.
God got me on the way home 2 hrs ago from getting a haircut-I had a tire blow out. Going at slow speed tho, so now I'm getting two tires. let me tell you how much fun it was at 95degrees in concrete parking lot of a church with a scissors jack! LMAO
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To everyone who feels like we need to give up freedom for "security"...First of all we aren't any more secure with less freedom now then we were with our freedoms before 9-11. If anything we are less secure since the institutions within our government, which are supposed to protect us, are run by crooks and incompetents--not to mention that were at war which certainly doesn't help with our security. The President is going to have to start saying "they hate us for our security," when we don't have any freedom left to resign.
By the way, freedom isn't a partisan issue. If you believe it is, than you probably have more loyalty to your party than you do to your country.
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6. August 2008 @ 18:07 |
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Originally posted by Ankoku:
Thanks for providing some educated support greensman, I really appreciate it, seeing as how these individuals seem to have little understanding, and to mr. "I'm going to leave the U.S. for Canada" lets set some things straight, I am not from Texas, that would be GM, and I attend Whittier College, one of the most liberal colleges in the US, and I don't see how anything I have said relates to the Civil War or slavery, and it is completely ludicrous to relate the US being able to search your laptop to slavery, and that is all I will say about that because you waste my time with that assertion...
I also don't understand how this is flawed logic, the fact is, terrorism exists and in order to keep ourselves safe, we must forfeit some freedoms, and I personally feel like giving up my laptop isn't that big of a deal if it means I'm a little more protected.
Frankly, they aren't taking your homes, its just your computer, and although you all might be married to the damn thing, it shouldn't really matter all that much to you...
On a final note, I enjoy how everyone seems to commit themselves to all the propaganda they find on the internet...Guess what, our friends in the United Kingdom and throughout Europe pay at least twice as much for gasoline as we do...Government hardly controls the cost of oil, rather it is OPEC and investors, if you would all just take some time to watch the market you would understand this...honestly
L-Burna...you scare me, period.- "If my electronics are taken away from me without reason then I will make sure they know what a terrorist is like it is as simple as that"
And you ALL need to stop bringing in the Hitler quotes and relations STOP NOW, idiots!
Oh, so all this crap has made us safer, eh?
Fool. Try visiting Europe, N. Africa, the Middle East, or any other location outside the US. There's a good reason our own damn State Department recommends all US travellers use Canadian stickers and such!
I REFUSE to give up Constitutional rights without the required 2/3 supermajority of the states ratifying an amendment, period. All these backdoor moves are methods of a police state; hell, I can give you specific examples of how many police states employed the very same methods! That is, in fact, what all those quotes by Adolph are telling you... He used many of the same BS tactics himself!
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Welcome to 1984 everyone.
Drive through.
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BUSH IS MODERN TIME HITLER SAME THING DIFERENT TIME HITLER HATE JEWS BUSH HATE MUSLIMS WHAT IS DIFERENT SAME SHIT SMALL PEOPLE IS STUPID TO SEE WHATS HAPPENING
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Originally posted by EMIR:
BUSH IS MODERN TIME HITLER SAME THING DIFERENT TIME HITLER HATE JEWS BUSH HATE MUSLIMS WHAT IS DIFERENT SAME SHIT SMALL PEOPLE IS STUPID TO SEE WHATS HAPPENING
DOWN NOOB DOWN!!!
Bush is not a dictator who eats babies, hes a capitalist that likes "creamy fillings" from his corporate masters.
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by EMIR:
BUSH IS MODERN TIME HITLER SAME THING DIFERENT TIME HITLER HATE JEWS BUSH HATE MUSLIMS WHAT IS DIFERENT SAME SHIT SMALL PEOPLE IS STUPID TO SEE WHATS HAPPENING
DOWN NOOB DOWN!!!
Bush is not a dictator who eats babies, hes a capitalist that likes "creamy fillings" from his corporate masters.
Both parties are brought and paid for and are putting restrictions in place for something, maybe a food crisis or a semi civil uprising hence the start of the removal of your weapons in the USA, bush is certainly not Hitler but the policies are very similar.
GOTO, the links and look at the fascist laws, you know i'm sure thousands of ppl died in world war 2 to protect our liberties from authoritarian governments like we have in the USA and UK now, or was the war about killing a terrorist with WMD's i'm not sure anymore as i don't read books, i only watch the TV propaganda pumped out by Rupert Murdoch.
Compare Provisions in ?Hitler?s Laws? with U.S. FISA Amendments Act Of 2008
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Perturbing many Americans including this writer, compare provisions in ?Hitler?s Laws? with the U.S. FISA AMENDMENTS ACT OF 2008 the U.S. Senate is about to Pass. Note similar manner the Act HR 6304 suspends U.S. Constitutional 4th Amendment Protections and Telecommunication Privacy for Americans.
After the FISA Act passes, many U.S. Citizens may be reluctant to submit articles to Independent Media Centers and other publications. Freedom was nice while it lasted...short but nice.
THE FISA AMENDMENTS ACT OF 2008, H.R. 6304 EH is found at:
http://thomas.loc.gov/
Below: Hitler's signed Discriminatory Laws of February 28, 1933 (click the above link to read the full article)
Compare Language in ?Hitler?s Laws? with Pending U.S. Senate Bill S.1959
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It is absolutely striking how language in pending S.1959, "The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act" appears to mirror some of Hitler?s Discriminatory Laws the Fuhrer signed in 1933.
Below this article are ?Adolf Hitler?s fascist laws: To compare any similarity of language found in ?Hitler?s Laws? with U.S. Senate bill S.1959, you may access:
http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.1959:
Hitler?s laws invoked fear in German Citizens. Outlawed free speech and banned any act of expression that might threaten the German State?according to police. S.1959 is not written exactly like the Nazi 1933 Discriminatory laws that suspended the German Constitution, but like ?Hitler?s Laws?, Senate bill 1959 similarly threatens our Constitution, our right to free speech, free association and assembly. (click the above link to read the full article)
USA free speech zones anyone
Hey look ppl its a video, you don't have to read!!!!
"When Democracy Failed by Thom Hartmann" Google Video
more Hitler links to the Bush Family
Bush and Hitler YouTube Video
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Originally posted by EMIR:
BUSH IS MODERN TIME HITLER SAME THING DIFERENT TIME HITLER HATE JEWS BUSH HATE MUSLIMS WHAT IS DIFERENT SAME SHIT SMALL PEOPLE IS STUPID TO SEE WHATS HAPPENING
DOWN NOOB DOWN!!!
Bush is not a dictator who eats babies, hes a capitalist that likes "creamy fillings" from his corporate masters.
Both parties are brought and paid for and are putting restrictions in place for something, maybe a food crisis or a semi civil uprising hence the start of the removal of your weapons in the USA, bush is certainly not Hitler but the policies are very similar.
GOTO, the links and look at the fascist laws, you know i'm sure thousands of ppl died in world war 2 to protect our liberties from authoritarian governments like we have in the USA and UK now, or was the war about killing a terrorist with WMD's i'm not sure anymore as i don't read books, i only watch the TV propaganda pumped out by Rupert Murdoch.
Compare Provisions in ?Hitler?s Laws? with U.S. FISA Amendments Act Of 2008
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Perturbing many Americans including this writer, compare provisions in ?Hitler?s Laws? with the U.S. FISA AMENDMENTS ACT OF 2008 the U.S. Senate is about to Pass. Note similar manner the Act HR 6304 suspends U.S. Constitutional 4th Amendment Protections and Telecommunication Privacy for Americans.
After the FISA Act passes, many U.S. Citizens may be reluctant to submit articles to Independent Media Centers and other publications. Freedom was nice while it lasted...short but nice.
THE FISA AMENDMENTS ACT OF 2008, H.R. 6304 EH is found at:
http://thomas.loc.gov/
Below: Hitler's signed Discriminatory Laws of February 28, 1933 (click the above link to read the full article)
Compare Language in ?Hitler?s Laws? with Pending U.S. Senate Bill S.1959
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It is absolutely striking how language in pending S.1959, "The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act" appears to mirror some of Hitler?s Discriminatory Laws the Fuhrer signed in 1933.
Below this article are ?Adolf Hitler?s fascist laws: To compare any similarity of language found in ?Hitler?s Laws? with U.S. Senate bill S.1959, you may access:
http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.1959:
Hitler?s laws invoked fear in German Citizens. Outlawed free speech and banned any act of expression that might threaten the German State?according to police. S.1959 is not written exactly like the Nazi 1933 Discriminatory laws that suspended the German Constitution, but like ?Hitler?s Laws?, Senate bill 1959 similarly threatens our Constitution, our right to free speech, free association and assembly. (click the above link to read the full article)
USA free speech zones anyone
Hey look ppl its a video, you don't have to read!!!!
"When Democracy Failed by Thom Hartmann" Google Video
more Hitler links to the Bush Family
Bush and Hitler YouTube Video
The one thing that I find funny about all of the above. Is the fact that all of the sheeple just don't want to admit it. They feel be nice and cozy but don't know all of the things that are going on without their knowledge. Mostly because it isn't reported on by the big media/news. Or they do the whole "well don't believe everything you see on the internet" and are too lazy to go find proof for themselves.
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the border patrol are the terrorists... they and the rest of the executive branch...
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