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Small American ISP adds bandwidth cap?
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article published on 9 August, 2008
Earlier this month, Frontier Online, a small US ISP that serves 24 states added new language to their terms of service agreement that appears to cap almost half of its users at a minuscule 5GB of data a month, including downloading and uploading.
"Customers must comply with all Frontier network, bandwidth, data storage and usage limitations," reads the new TOS. "Frontier may suspend, ... [ read the full article ]
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embo22000
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9. August 2008 @ 11:54 |
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damn 5g thats insane
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9. August 2008 @ 12:10 |
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it wont work if your a small biz and employ this money hungry tactic your going to be a no biz.
iv said it before, ill say it again the only true way to get rid of bandwidth indigestion is to lay new lines. instead they want to cap you that way they can to continue to nothing about there current infrastructure. its pure greed and lies
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drach
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9. August 2008 @ 13:42 |
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5 GB upload and download combined? That is total crap, I would go over the limit in 1 or 2 days.
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9. August 2008 @ 14:14 |
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I am amazed its only 5GB.
While they do not seem to be enforcing anything at this point, if they offer any sort of a "high-speed" connection (and heck, even a dial-up connection) it wouldn't be hard for a savvy or addicted internet user to go through 5GB in a day, let alone a month.
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fgamer
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9. August 2008 @ 15:15 |
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I think when larger ISP's start going down this road much like what Time Warner Cable is doing, they'll get a backlash of angry people after they realize how easy it is to go over these insane caps.
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jjziman
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9. August 2008 @ 15:19 |
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Now this is just crazy. I would be looking for another ISP as soon as I heard this. But luckly I have a good ISP with no caps and ok speeds. After a 2 year time out I am back now!
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erjl
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9. August 2008 @ 15:49 |
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I had dsl in california and then in Reno. I moved to Elko NV and the only broadband available was Frontier. $55 a month and it was unreliable and slow. Frontier's phone service is worse. Finally a wireless service, not Wi-Fi or Wi-Max but something called 'Motorola Canopy' became available. It's $40 a month and blazingly faster and more reliable than Frontier. I was able to get rid of my phone service from Frontier also. drach is right 5gb is about 1 days worth. Now I'm a happy camper.
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9. August 2008 @ 18:22 |
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Originally posted by DXR88:
it wont work if your a small biz and employ this money hungry tactic your going to be a no biz.
iv said it before, ill say it again the only true way to get rid of bandwidth indigestion is to lay new lines. instead they want to cap you that way they can to continue to nothing about there current infrastructure. its pure greed and lies
sad to say it will work if you are int eh boonies and your the only game in town.
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david89
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9. August 2008 @ 21:30 |
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5gb is a joke heck 40 gb that time warner wants do is a joke these isps should be made by law to give a fair amount of bandwidth but the goverment don't want do anything about it. i bet there will be lots going back dialup because with just speed you can't use is a waste of money per month.
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ydkjman
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9. August 2008 @ 23:13 |
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Here is a question that I haven't seen come up.
What would this do to people who have VOIP service and talk alot on the phone ? Isn't that eating up bandwidth?
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erjl
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9. August 2008 @ 23:41 |
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How about renting streaming movies from netflix? I don't know how large they are but I would think 2 or 3 would eat up your entire months allotment of bandwith.
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10. August 2008 @ 00:42 |
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I cannot point back to the source as I cant remember where it was, but I have read the 'average' user (quick email, online shopping etc) uses 37GB per month but anyone using iTunes, Netflix, iPlayer, BitTorrent will use 200+ for sure.
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Pnub
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10. August 2008 @ 03:33 |
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I actually have frontier as my provider. I got it right before they announced the cap. And I have already blown past 5 gigs in the first day. I downloaded at least 7 gigs of HD movies in the first day, as well as install WoW and the downloaded the patch (9??Mb). Havn't had any knocks on my door yet.
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blueroad
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10. August 2008 @ 08:52 |
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hmm this might indeed sound noobish but ive never been one to claim i know lots about internet usage and ifrastructure >< anyway what does it mean 5 GB per month? like what if i have a 15 mb per sec? i do 5000/15=time it takes to use 5 up 5 GB?
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DoomLight
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10. August 2008 @ 11:21 |
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5 gigs is insane. might as well lower bandwidth to 56k levels. cause like the first comment. i can download 5 gigs in a day easy.
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10. August 2008 @ 14:19 |
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Originally posted by blueroad:
hmm this might indeed sound noobish but ive never been one to claim i know lots about internet usage and ifrastructure >< anyway what does it mean 5 GB per month? like what if i have a 15 mb per sec? i do 5000/15=time it takes to use 5 up 5 GB?
um no not quite, its 15Mbits not 15Mbyts. also you'll probably never find the need to us all 15Mbits as some sites have a client cap of any where between 256Kbits-768Kbits.
in any case never confuse download speed with the downloads. lets say if i download 2 movies both at 2.5GB i have reached my cap. no matter what the speed at which i downloaded it.
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10. August 2008 @ 14:21 |
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Originally posted by Pnub:
I actually have frontier as my provider. I got it right before they announced the cap. And I have already blown past 5 gigs in the first day. I downloaded at least 7 gigs of HD movies in the first day, as well as install WoW and the downloaded the patch (9??Mb). Havn't had any knocks on my door yet.
Nope, not your door, but they will be knocking on your wallet soon enough.
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emugamer
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11. August 2008 @ 12:32 |
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I have DSL, Dish and Phone through Frontier all as a single package. I now have a valid reason to switch to Cable. I blast through much, much more than 5GB UL and DL. I wouldn't mind if their tier system is reasonable and the cost of switching to a new provider is more expensive in the long run. I've got to look into VOIP now and stuff like that.....ughhh...more research....what a headache :( Like I don't have other things going on. It would be nice to finally start looking at other ISP's HD packages though. I'd better get on top of this, but until then, business as usual!
Anyway, I guess any thoughts of PSN downloads are squashed :P
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11. August 2008 @ 18:55 |
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"Now, we're saying exactly what we think is excessive,"
This would get chewed up in court. They do not get to define terms like "excessive". Their plan is unlimited. "excessive" is a legally defined term.
I'm no lawyer but it would seem to me that in this time of "net-neutrality" "Excessive" would be defined something like this...
Calculate the average use by all customers. Those users that are in the top 5% could be classified as "excessive".
It certainly would not be some hard limit unless expressly designated in the original contract. If it were expressly designated, then the plan wouldn't be "unlimited", would it... LOL
No chance in hell... laughable.
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emugamer
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11. August 2008 @ 20:04 |
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Originally posted by ThePastor:
"Now, we're saying exactly what we think is excessive,"
This would get chewed up in court. They do not get to define terms like "excessive". Their plan is unlimited. "excessive" is a legally defined term.
I'm no lawyer but it would seem to me that in this time of "net-neutrality" "Excessive" would be defined something like this...
Calculate the average use by all customers. Those users that are in the top 5% could be classified as "excessive".
It certainly would not be some hard limit unless expressly designated in the original contract. If it were expressly designated, then the plan wouldn't be "unlimited", would it... LOL
No chance in hell... laughable.
Well, they can change the TOS at any time. It's in the contract. So the word "unlimited" can altogether disappear and a new tiered system could go into place. I'm sure the 5GB /month was a slip-up. How can you be in the ISP business and be that stupid? My Grandfather probably uses 5GB in a month. They will probably make 5GB the lowest tier, so that people like my Grandfather will see no change in the cost of their service. But people like me will be forced to move on to bigger and better things.
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11. August 2008 @ 20:40 |
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I still don't think you can call something "excessive" if over half of the users are doing it.
I could say anything over 1 MB is excessive. That doesn't make it so, nor would it stand up in court.
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emugamer
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12. August 2008 @ 06:07 |
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Originally posted by ThePastor:
I still don't think you can call something "excessive" if over half of the users are doing it.
I could say anything over 1 MB is excessive. That doesn't make it so, nor would it stand up in court.
I totally agree.
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tleewade
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12. August 2008 @ 10:56 |
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Quote:
Originally posted by Pnub:
I actually have frontier as my provider. I got it right before they announced the cap. And I have already blown past 5 gigs in the first day. I downloaded at least 7 gigs of HD movies in the first day, as well as install WoW and the downloaded the patch (9??Mb). Havn't had any knocks on my door yet.
Nope, not your door, but they will be knocking on your wallet soon enough.
not mine i will hate to but will drop internet service peorid.they will be the one to lose my money.
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lynchGOP
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12. August 2008 @ 14:55 |
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Too bad those dumbass teenagers that were firebombing cars didn't reserve those .olotove cocktails for a company like this. Let's all say a prayer..........
"May an asteroid come down and destroy the corporate HQ of this kneiving company out to do bad and all it's executives, only to leave its innocent employees unharmed."
Amen.
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14. August 2008 @ 20:46 |
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I have tesco broadband which is supposed to be limited to 6GB but the cap is put in place by the usb modem they give you thus I have have no limit through my Netgear modem/router mwahaha
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