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The Pirate Bay is under fire again
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article published on 6 September, 2008
The infamous torrent tracker The Pirate Bay is back in the news today, this time for refusing to take down a user-uploaded torrent that includes autopsy pictures of two toddlers that were murdered in Arboga earlier this year.
The photos are part of a larger collection of material that came from a police investigation into the case.
Niklas Jangestig, the father of the murdered children, ... [ read the full article ]
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Solo_Tek
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8. September 2008 @ 04:50 |
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Thank you for the information.
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Bozobub
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8. September 2008 @ 04:59 |
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You're quite welcome.
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gfactor
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8. September 2008 @ 05:25 |
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I agree with a lot of points on both sides to this argument, I personally do not want to see pictures of this sort, BUT it is in the public domain and those that want to view them should be allowed to.
As far as taking them down because of the family wishes, or because it shows dead children? well then we have to get rid of all the Egyptian displays in all the museums across the globe then, because they display the same thing, or any such display that shows the remains of the dead, BUT those are allowed to enrich our knowledge and understanding of the past. It really depends on personal choice of what you find distasteful, morally objectional, or ugly. your views don't represent mine or some one else's necessarily, I don't agree with the tone of the response the PB gave when asked to take them down, it was insensitive, but i do agree with the right he has to keep the torrent up. That's what free speech is, the right to say or express what you want even if it offends someone.
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patrick_
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8. September 2008 @ 06:16 |
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Why do most of you don't understand that just because something is legal doesn't mean you have to do it? As long as whatever TPB is tracking doesn't cause any personal harm I don't mind, but in this case, by express wishes from the parents, I think it's not about being legal, but about to respect.
Actually I don't know what need the parents had to download the torrent, but still I do understand their point and in my opinion TPB should have taken the torrent down.
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fionah
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8. September 2008 @ 09:39 |
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Originally posted by patrick_:
Why do most of you don't understand that just because something is legal doesn't mean you have to do it? ............ in this case, by express wishes from the parents, I think it's not about being legal, but about to respect.
exactly.
i'm out. this one can be debated forever...........
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fionah
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8. September 2008 @ 09:44 |
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just one more thing:
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I also do say that you, and in fact NOONE, has the right to say it's NOT "ok" for TPB to follow the law in their own country
but i can say what i want ! it's my opinion! and freedom of speech man!
pfffffff! ...... . . ... . . .
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Deznaj
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8. September 2008 @ 15:45 |
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I like The Pirate Bay. I come there daily to find the torrents I need. However, the way they are acting, they will be brought down sooner or later. And they will go down hard.
And posting pictures of dead children has nothing to do with freedom of speech. If you say it is, you're also saying that child pornography should be allowed.
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Dragula96
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8. September 2008 @ 16:08 |
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this time for refusing to take down a user-uploaded torrent that includes autopsy pictures of two toddlers that were murdered in Arboga earlier this year.
Could be used for educational purposes, like medical students and such? Oh well, they can do what they want. I got a question for you guys, should the courts or lawyers here in the United States be sued, or get into any trouble for showing pictures of bloody deaths scenes? Including people hung, stabbed, shot in the face, heads cut off. Happens all the time in court cases. People see death all the time. They aren't hurting anyone - if you don't like it, don't download it!
Sounds more like the people who had control of the pictures in the first place should be investigated. Sucks for the parents to have to go through this, but the world is a cruel place.
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daddymo
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8. September 2008 @ 17:56 |
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If you don't want to see the pics, don't d/l them. Emails containing pics of damaged/injured/dead people have been circulating for years, now someone uploads a torrent and everyone cracks! Personally I'm more offended by those emails containing pictures of cats with silly captions.
With any luck the surrounding furore will out the killers.
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djgizmo
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9. September 2008 @ 07:47 |
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Originally posted by Bozobub:
Again, those pictures are already in the public domain, and can be acquired for a nominal fee to cover postage/copying of the material directly from the Swedish government.
Its one thing to have pictures as public domain, its another to advertise it.
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djgizmo
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9. September 2008 @ 07:49 |
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Originally posted by fionah:
don't you think the parents have suffered enough??
we cannot comprehend unless we have been there...
+1 million
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seastkc
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9. September 2008 @ 09:47 |
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You live in a country that you may leave at any time then you are agreeing to abide to the laws of said country. You elected to take part in said countries practices. This particular country allows this type of information to be released for a nominal fee or however they do it then talk to them about it. It's not up to the Pirate Bay to police their business due to feelings of visitors of said site. You don't like it then don't partake in it's rules/regulations/laws. Simple.
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Dragula96
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9. September 2008 @ 10:05 |
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Originally posted by daddymo:
If you don't want to see the pics, don't d/l them. Emails containing pics of damaged/injured/dead people have been circulating for years, now someone uploads a torrent and everyone cracks! Personally I'm more offended by those emails containing pictures of cats with silly captions.
With any luck the surrounding furore will out the killers.
LMFAO - exactly!
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9. September 2008 @ 11:32 |
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ikari
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9. September 2008 @ 12:08 |
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The pirate bay took the right action because of what the pirate bay represents. I am sure there is a lot of stuff on the pirate bay that would not meet your approval. This one made the news.
I admit this sucks for the family and I would hate this to happen to anyone but it did and they will deal. A cold thing to say but it is true.
If you disagree with the pirate bay on this one, you truly never supported them, you justed wanted a well known place with a lot of quality music and movie torrents. Period. They are just as bad (or good to some people) for having torrents of music, videos, etc as they are for this autopsy information.
So draw your line in the sand, you are entitled to. I respect that and your opinion. But please respect mine and others as well, even if it might disagree with yours. :-)
These opinions are not meant to start a stupid fanboy fight or any kind of fight for that matter.
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gfactor
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9. September 2008 @ 22:40 |
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well said, well said
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zylene
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11. September 2008 @ 10:35 |
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Let them do what they want. Can you stop it no! Voice your opinon writing a full paragraph but its not going to change a thing
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earthasa
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12. September 2008 @ 08:04 |
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I agree with those who believe it is appropriate for people to be allowed to distribute public records or public domain material freely.
As much as I feel for the child's parents, and I do, I would be offended if TPB started censoring public material.
TPB was clearly insensitive in their emphatic response to that person. I fault them for that. It would have been much better if they had been kind and said they understand why they would want it taken down, but as a public service organization, it is not their role to censor public information or freedom of expression.
I don't see why this episode would pose any kind of threat to TPB, though, as the author seems to infer.
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Tashammer
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12. September 2008 @ 21:35 |
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i don't doubt that all this is heart breaking for some people in respect to the children. My query is that if it is so upsetting then why does the father keep participating? He certainly is NOT protecting the children's memory. In fact, if the whole schemozzle is so upsetting then why does anyone keep getting involved by this repeated picking of the scab?
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12. September 2008 @ 22:09 |
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Bozobub
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14. September 2008 @ 19:54 |
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Originally posted by earthasa:
I agree with those who believe it is appropriate for people to be allowed to distribute public records or public domain material freely.
As much as I feel for the child's parents, and I do, I would be offended if TPB started censoring public material.
TPB was clearly insensitive in their emphatic response to that person. I fault them for that. It would have been much better if they had been kind and said they understand why they would want it taken down, but as a public service organization, it is not their role to censor public information or freedom of expression.
I don't see why this episode would pose any kind of threat to TPB, though, as the author seems to infer.
Exactly.
In addition, "advertising" the availability of public records isn't the problem. In fact, too few people are aware that they have the right to these records! This lack of public knowledge about such things is a great part of why the Bush administration's refusal of legal FOI requests is easily swept under the rug in the US. I'm sure similar behavior only benefits the tyrants in ANY country.
No matter the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the peanut gallery, in the final analysis, the pictures are legal, the torrent is legal, and they're not coming off TPB until the torrent dies of old age. If they somehow were forced to do so, I WOULD HOST THE DAMN IMAGES MYSELF. I refuse to let this type of "soft" censorship win, any more than any other type.
Similar types of censorship/ban arguments have been raised against Huckleberry Finn, for heavens' sake, because it uses the word "n*gger". ANyone who argues Samuel Clemens (AKA "Mark Twain") meant that word in a bigoted manner is a fool. It was a lesson ABOUT bigotry..!
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vudoo
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24. September 2008 @ 19:19 |
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Don't you see that this is yet another ploy for the anti p2p companies to "educate" you that p2p is in fact evil and steeling and their way to compare it to child pornography in order to have a worthy case to be used to take down The Pirate Bay. Don't be fooled.
Fact 1 The music industry is doing away with DRM by being beaten into submission. Examples are: Napster, Rhapsody, SpiralFrog (With AEM read more about my ideas about AEM and you'll see how the industry is using my idea), iTunes with its iTunes plus (Charging more for non DRM meterial unlike Amazon and Napster)
Fact 2: Pepsi is giving away FREE Mp3's on amazon by using pepsi points. This can be a great way to pay the artists and to help keep America clean. I've used the codes myself to redo my music collection as I've lost tons of music when my Alienware was struck by lightning. you'll be surprised at the number of Pepsi caps you'll find and I just put the codes into my portable organizer and when I get home I have 100's of FREE songs waiting for me to Download.
Fact 3: Check out IMDB as there offering FREE media streaming.
TPB is simply taking on the take all and share it all concept. Yes I'm a Pirate as well and damn proud of it. Too many companies want to get rich quick and if it takes screwing over a widow, elderly person, or 12 yr old child then so be it according to these companies. Don't even fall prey to this anti p2p article. Rejoice in the fact that TPB stood proud and firm and didn't cave in like a whining baby bitch boy.
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varnull
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24. September 2008 @ 22:52 |
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goddam.. looks like we won the "freedom of information" argument here at least.
keep it up lads. it's our vision of the future not the corporate scumbags ideal future we need to win next.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3170086
when you buy something do you own it?.. is the rental aspect clearly labelled?
/me listens to Pulp - I Spy... my theme song ripped from my vinyl.. and they say that is illegal too.. watch out.. soon you will have to pay to breathe because some scumbag business will patent the act of sucking in air.... oooo.. /me heads off to USA patent office applications.
grey cats are the coolest.. next time I want to be a grey cat.
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